Less attractive people

Muise... · 15-10-2013 08:51PM

Professor Knowall wrote: »

Not in Donegal they aren't. Uglies are the rule not the exception. Something about in-breeding a couple of generations back.

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

mfceiling · 15-10-2013 08:52PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'd replace Cara D with Michelle Pfeiffer and then I'd agree with you 100%.

I can see how Cara's look wouldn't be deemed objectively beautiful. If she put on a bit of weight and got her eyebrows waxed I'd bet she'd have more admirers.

I was looking at them too....jesus they'd give the gallagher brothers a run for it.

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 08:54PM

Muise... wrote: »

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

Sounds more like the infamous Letterkenny Ladyboy

Bullseye · 15-10-2013 08:55PM

It's either disengenuous or self delusion to think that there isn't at the very least a loose hierarchy of physical attractiveness. Sure not everyone's scale is exactly the same, but people's scales are very similar.

15-10-2013 08:56PM

Muise... wrote: »

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

Man, that's an odd way to describe your mother.

Peetrik · 15-10-2013 09:03PM

SV wrote: »

See, this quote is always thrown out there but I don't know any man who has sex with a woman and actually spends the time staring at her vagina during it.

I think that phrase is more about the body than the actual vagina... as in, with the lights off, a 10 face isn't as important as a decent body.

I'd agree with the thing about attractiveness being completely subjective. Personally I find plenty of women that are commonly regarded as being 'stunning' very unattractive, stick insects with fake tan, make up caked on, wearing some string and a belt etc scowling away with an attitude, you know the type. Boggles my mind why on earth they are regarded as being desirable. Give me someone who is active, healthy and happy any day.

All down to personal preference.

Muise... · 15-10-2013 09:04PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

Sounds more like the infamous Letterkenny Ladyboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Man, that's an odd way to describe your mother.

well, that's knocked the western solidarity out of me.

Handsome Bob · 15-10-2013 09:07PM

Was going to make a highly telegraphed quip about the OP's username but then thought better.

You're right anyway OP, absolutely 100% correct. We all settle for what we can get and feign love, until something better comes along and we upgrade without a second's thought. It's a dog eat dog world, literally...

15-10-2013 09:10PM

Muise... wrote: »

well, that's knocked the western solidarity out of me.

Ah, don't let it get to you. I've known a couple of stunners from Donegal as well.

Seachmall · 15-10-2013 09:12PM

miss no stars wrote: »

So people with average shaped faces are objectively found to be more attractive than people wit other face shapes (with similar features)

Not quite, you can't derive an objective standard by simply averaging subjective preferences.

OT,
Oddly attractiveness isn't necessarily something that does it for me.

Last week I pulled this average looking girl, started shifting and got bored after 30 seconds so fecked off. An hour later I chanced this girl who was less attractive, couldn't pull her and found my mind wandering back to her. I wanted to pull her and was kicking myself that I didn't/couldn't. I had chanced other more attractive girls that night and got shut down and couldn't have cared less.

There was something about that girl that wasn't her looks that had me thinking about her all night afterwards.

Maybe it's because I figured I should've been able to pull her but couldn't that had me interested.

God damn ego!

Wattle · 15-10-2013 09:28PM

I'm fairly small in stature (5'8) and I have a young looking face. Now all of the women I've ever been with whether one night stands or long relationships have all described me as 'cute'. I've never been called handsome just cute. Unfortunately not all women are into cuteness. So if I go out to a party or something and there are no women there into cuteness then I can feel as lonely and rejected as the ugliest guy in the room. Yes there are women that can fancy me but I will never do as well as the tall and handsome guys that get a lot of girls.

Czarcasm · 15-10-2013 09:36PM

miss no stars wrote: »

Another point of note would be...

So more people prefer an average face shape than a non-average face shape.

So people with average shaped faces are objectively found to be more attractive than people wit other face shapes (with similar features)

I'm on mobile at the moment so I can't find the exact article, but I came across something similar to this before -

Scientific Secrets Behind Liz Taylor's Beauty

Shenshen · 15-10-2013 09:39PM

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a universal scale of attractivness.

The reason I think that is quite simple :

A friend of mine started a whirlwind romance a few months ago with someone I personally would describe as - well, a skinny and rather hairy version of Shrek. Most of his hair is distributed quite evenly all over his body (from what I can see), only his head is shaved.
Now, he's not ugly enough for me to recoil in horror, but I do find the thought of touching him rather icky.

And as girl friends do, we were chatting the other day, and she told me that she feels rather similarly about my husband who is a little chubby, and has long, dark hair but very little body hair - a look that had me fall for him immediately. She was however raving about the looks of her own boyfriend and how much she loved his hairy chest and arms...

You're attracted who you are attracted to, simple as. Beauty is entirely in the eye of the beholder.

Muise... · 15-10-2013 09:40PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Not quite, you can't derive an objective standard by simply averaging subjective preferences.

OT,
Oddly attractiveness isn't necessarily something that does it for me.

Last week I pulled this average looking girl, started shifting and got bored after 30 seconds so fecked off. An hour later I chanced this girl who was less attractive, couldn't pull her and found my mind wandering back to her. I wanted to pull her and was kicking myself that I didn't/couldn't. I had chanced other more attractive girls that night and got shut down and couldn't have cared less.

There was something about that girl that wasn't her looks that had me thinking about her all night afterwards.

Maybe it's because I figured I should've been able to pull her but couldn't that had me interested.

God damn ego!

I would like to clarify that I thanked this post pre-edit, for the good first sentence about stats.

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

Femme_Fatale · 15-10-2013 09:44PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a universal scale of attractivness.

The reason I think that is quite simple :

A friend of mine started a whirlwind romance a few months ago with someone I personally would describe as - well, a skinny and rather hairy version of Shrek. Most of his hair is distributed quite evenly all over his body (from what I can see), only his head is shaved.
Now, he's not ugly enough for me to recoil in horror, but I do find the thought of touching him rather icky.

And as girl friends do, we were chatting the other day, and she told me that she feels rather similarly about my husband who is a little chubby, and has long, dark hair but very little body hair - a look that had me fall for him immediately. She was however raving about the looks of her own boyfriend and how much she loved his hairy chest and arms...

You're attracted who you are attracted to, simple as. Beauty is entirely in the eye of the beholder.

Attractiveness is subjective no doubt about it, but beauty can be objective.

15-10-2013 09:46PM

Muise... wrote: »

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

Sweet? Are you kidding me?

Abigayle · 15-10-2013 09:47PM

urabell wrote: »

Are less attractive people more attracted to other less attractive people than an attractive person would be? For example in a nightclub setting it's pretty common you'll see two mingers eating the face off each other, are they actually attracted to each other or are they just settling? I know there's a certain level of subjectivity but some people just don't have any aesthetic qualities.

Obviously this doesn't apply to relationships and actually falling in love, I've fallen head over heels for girls that, when it comes to looks just aren't in my league. I'd take an ugly life partner who I could relate to over a wetser with no personality any day, obviously I'll go for the best of both worlds if I can though. When it comes to one night stands though it's all about looks and I won't settle.

TLDR Do less attractive people find other less attractive people attractive or are they just settling for what they can get?

This post is either disgustingly shallow or it has been deprived of oxegen for an extensive period of time and survived the incident miraculously.

Seachmall · 15-10-2013 09:54PM

Muise... wrote: »

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

I feel like I've been stripped of all manliness after hearing my unsuccessful night on the pull being described as a "rather sweet evening out".

Edit - Upon rereading it I think it comes across as misogynistic, shallow, and egotistical.

Which I didn't intend but much prefer over "rather sweet" :P

Shenshen · 15-10-2013 09:56PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Attractiveness is subjective no doubt about it, but beauty can be objective.

After 2 years at art school, I'm not entirely sure I've seen anything in my life that everybody would describe as "beauty" without argument.

Muise... · 15-10-2013 09:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweet? Are you kidding me?

Seachmall wrote: »

I feel like I've been stripped of all manliness after hearing my unsuccessful night on the pull being described as a "rather sweet evening out".

Edit - Upon rereading it I think it comes across as misogynistic, shallow, and egotistical.

Which I much prefer!

Sweet indeed. There are few things as cute as a crestfallen cockrel. :pac:

Femme_Fatale · 15-10-2013 10:00PM

Shenshen wrote: »

After 2 years at art school, I'm not entirely sure I've seen anything in my life that everybody would describe as "beauty" without argument.

Well wouldn't you agree there are people whom you personally might not find attractive but you can still tell they are good-looking?

wuzziwig · 15-10-2013 10:01PM

I hope not. The last few times I've been out on the tiles I've been chatted up by some fairly ugly men. If what you say is true then that would mean that I'm a minger! Oh God maybe I really am an ugly munter.

Bullseye · 15-10-2013 10:01PM

As far as I'm concerned there is a scale. Somewhere between 0-100% of the opposite sex find you physically attractive. Physically attractive people are found physically attractive by a much higher percentage than your average individual. There you go, an objective scale.

15-10-2013 10:05PM

Muise... wrote: »

Sweet indeed. There are few things as cute as a crestfallen cockrel. :pac:

Fine, fine...whatever.

Seachmall · 15-10-2013 10:05PM

Muise... wrote: »

Sweet indeed. There are few things as cute as a crestfallen cockrel. :pac:

I'd like to take this moment to clarify that I'm neither misogynestic, shallow, nor egotistical.

I'm just on my phone and so incapable of wording my posts as elequently as I'd like.

The truth is I love all women...

...almost as much as they love me.

...joke...

ShadowHearth · 15-10-2013 10:11PM

When my boss sow my girlfriend he asked me to put down my pants. I asked why? He said: I want to see if you got any money...

I have no money or "size". I guess I am an ugly bastard in our relationship.

--Kaiser-- · 15-10-2013 10:19PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I'd like to take this moment to clarify that I'm neither misogynestic, shallow, nor egotistical.

Are these bad things to be then?

Compu Global Hyper Meganet · 15-10-2013 10:32PM

Women and men tend to have very different ideals of beauty, particularly with regard to their own gender. As a fashion model, Cara Whatshername (who has been mentioned in this thread) has a look that should theoretically be considered attractive by other women, because that's who she's selling to. I honestly find 90% of female fashion models, including Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lily Cole, unattractive. Similarly, most men would regard an in his prime Arnold Schwarzenegger as an ideal of male beauty, and find themselves hitting the gym and taking supplements as a result. However, a lot of women would disagree and favour less impressive physiques. Therefore, "objective" notions of beauty tend to be gender specific. As far as I can tell anyway.

--Kaiser-- · 15-10-2013 10:40PM

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

Women and men tend to have very different ideals of beauty, particularly with regard to their own gender. As a fashion model, Cara Whatshername (who has been mentioned in this thread) has a look that should theoretically be considered attractive by other women, because that's who she's selling to. I honestly find 90% of female fashion models, including Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lily Cole, unattractive. Similarly, most men would regard an in his prime Arnold Schwarzenegger as an ideal of male beauty, and find themselves hitting the gym and taking supplements as a result. However, a lot of women would disagree and favour less impressive physiques. Therefore, "objective" notions of beauty tend to be gender specific. As far as I can tell anyway.

Bang on. In male terms, I would say a lot more women would prefer Brad Pitt in Fight Club to Arnie any day of the week. Similarly most men would prefer Scarlett Johansen to Kate Moss

urabell · 15-10-2013 11:00PM

There's a big difference between having a preference between Scar Jo and Kate moss and a preference between a cracker and a sweaty hog from coppers.

Same goes for the female comparision of Arnie and Brad Pitt above

sweaty hog is a gender neutral term

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