Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

Ceepo

Tell me how wrote: »

MvDP, early days for him but man he looks promising.

As does van Aert.

happytramp

dublin49 wrote: »

I heard Kirby saying that Wiggins said he would swap his TDF for a Paris Roubaix.

Wiggins is a bit of a weird cycling nerd so I can imagine him saying something like that.... I actually like that about him... Being late to the eurosport post tour stage show because he wanted to cheer on nibali crossing the line and then talking about how chuffed he was to have caught his discarded bidion.

CramCycle

breezy1985 wrote: »

Anything that happens in the TdF ranks highly due to the fact it dwarfs other events which is why the whole country has heard of Sam Bennett and no one cared when Dan Martin won multiple monuments.
Winning the TdF and Giro involves being on top of your game for 42 races so I wouldn't say it's the same as the Grand National and Cheltenham in the slightest
Also there are no race radios at the WC

If I remember (or more accurately, don't remember) did Martin Irvine even get a mention on the 6.1 news when he won the world Champs on the track.

dublin49 wrote: »

I DOUBT EITHER SAM OR RACHEL WERE INSPIRED AT AN EARLY AGE BY THE THOUGHT OF WINNING SPORTS PERSONALITY OF YEAR

To be fair most reactions to SPOTY here are "we don't have one, you are thinking of the BBC", "I always forget about that", or "you mean the All Stars".

DonegalBay

happytramp wrote: »

You're not seriously suggesting a strade bianche on your palmares is more impressive than a green jersey at the tour are you?.... There's a very strong argument for it being ahead of lombardia too.

I absolutely am and would double, triple or even quadruple down on that. The green jersey is a secondary competition to give something for the sprinters to aim at. Strade Bianche has already reached iconic status within the sport and a quick look at the field assembled this year tells the story of its prestige among the pros, the excitement of fans as well is way higher than for any green jersey contest. Maybe there has been more interest recently in the Green jersey because Bennett has won it, but most years I couldn't care less about the Green Jersey, but am psyched every single time for Strade Bianche.

dublin49

DonegalBay wrote: »

I absolutely am and would double, triple or even quadruple down on that. The green jersey is a secondary competition to give something for the sprinters to aim at. Strade Bianche has already reached iconic status within the sport and a quick look at the field assembled this year tells the story of its prestige among the pros, the excitement of fans as well is way higher than for any green jersey contest. Maybe there has been more interest recently in the Green jersey because Bennett has won it, but most years I couldn't care less about the Green Jersey, but am psyched every single time for Strade Bianche.

I suppose the cyclists might agree with you ,especially if it was a Paris Roubaix ,but a team owner or sponsor might not as 3 weeks coverage of your guy even if it is lesser coverage than the general Classification leader would be deemed of high value to the team.

DonegalBay

dublin49 wrote: »

I suppose the cyclists might agree with you ,especially if it was a Paris Roubaix ,but a team owner or sponsor might not as 3 weeks coverage of your guy even if it is lesser coverage than the general Classification leader would be deemed of high value to the team.

Yeah, but that can be applied to anything Tour related due to how outsized it is compared to anything else in cycling. Even having a guy in yellow at the Tour for 10 days would likely bring more coverage for sponsors than a RVV or PR victory, but what has more prestige in the palmares of a cyclist?

happytramp

DonegalBay wrote: »

I absolutely am and would double, triple or even quadruple down on that. The green jersey is a secondary competition to give something for the sprinters to aim at. Strade Bianche has already reached iconic status within the sport and a quick look at the field assembled this year tells the story of its prestige among the pros, the excitement of fans as well is way higher than for any green jersey contest. Maybe there has been more interest recently in the Green jersey because Bennett has won it, but most years I couldn't care less about the Green Jersey, but am psyched every single time for Strade Bianche.

I get that your more excited about strade bianche, i love it too and have ridden L'eroica a couple of times..... But historically it doesn't come close to the prestige of a green jersey at the tour.

DonegalBay

happytramp wrote: »

I get that your more excited about strade bianche, i love it too and have ridden L'eroica a couple of times..... But historically it doesn't come close to the prestige of a green jersey at the tour.

There was a time the Polka-dot jersey was quite prestigious, but it has been totally devalued over time and nobody really cares about it anymore. Whilst the green jersey has not dropped as far, I don't think it holds the value it once did. Go on almost any serious cycling site and guess which garners more interest among fans? Also the level of interest from the pros themselves suggest SB is more of a mark to have on their palmares. The race for green was exciting last year, but most years its a dud and is an afterthought for most cycling fans. Maybe its ripe for a poll?

happytramp

DonegalBay wrote: »

There was a time the Polka-dot jersey was quite prestigious, but it has been totally devalued over time and nobody really cares about it anymore. Whilst the green jersey has not dropped as far, I don't think it holds the value it once did. Go on almost any serious cycling site and guess which garners more interest among fans? Also the level of interest from the pros themselves suggest SB is more of a mark to have on their palmares. The race for green was exciting last year, but most years its a dud and is an afterthought for most cycling fans. Maybe its ripe for a poll?

I'm specifically talking about prestige... Not current excitement from fans. The race is barely a decade old and who knows if it'll even be around in 20 years time.

happytramp

Anyway, it's just a difference of opinion...

More importantly, when's sam racing again? I'm getting addicted to all the winning.

dublin49

Maybe check what the procyclingstats apportion points wise to SB V GJ as a starting point.Not conclusive but will be an informed view.

griffin100

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/transfer-mechanics-chase-for-next-young-stars-fuels-300-rider-worldtour-market/

Sam being listed as out of contract for next year - chance of a move from DQS?

breezy1985

griffin100 wrote: »

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/transfer-mechanics-chase-for-next-young-stars-fuels-300-rider-worldtour-market/

Sam being listed as out of contract for next year - chance of a move from DQS?

Most of the team is out of contract next year but ide say it will be fine once the sponsors are announced

Macy0161

griffin100 wrote: »

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/transfer-mechanics-chase-for-next-young-stars-fuels-300-rider-worldtour-market/

Sam being listed as out of contract for next year - chance of a move from DQS?

Only four from DQS under contract for next year at this point. Hopefully he'll stay, having seen what happens to sprinters that leave, but no doubt Patrick also uses that to low ball the offer on the table!

Edit - Alaphilippe just extended (he was already one of the 4) until 2024 - I'd say they're about to announce a multi-year sponsorship!

corelokttikka

I can’t see why they wouldn’t offer him another contract. His stock has gone through the roof. There’s probably negotiations for an increase which he deserves.

breezy1985

corelokttikka wrote: »

I can’t see why they wouldn’t offer him another contract. His stock has gone through the roof. There’s probably negotiations for an increase which he deserves.

So had Gaviria and Viviani. Dan Martin was on great form when he left too but DQS won't offer the money others will especially with the wage money Ala and Remco will be sucking up.

Bennett is different to the other sprinters mentioned though as he grew up a DQS fan so is less likely to take the money ide say

Macy0161

breezy1985 wrote: »

Bennett is different to the other sprinters mentioned though as he grew up a DQS fan so is less likely to take the money ide say

But also a "professional", so it has to be somewhat about the contract. fwiw I reckon he'll stay though.

Dodge

Macy0161 wrote: »

But also a "professional", so it has to be somewhat about the contract. fwiw I reckon he'll stay though.

Sam’s no dope. If the contract is right and he knows he’ll keep winning, he knows he can have his own personal sponsors too, particularly here in Ireland

Now if UAE come with a ‘double your money’ offer I’m sure he’ll listen to it

dublin49

Dodge wrote: »

Sam’s no dope. If the contract is right and he knows he’ll keep winning, he knows he can have his own personal sponsors too, particularly here in Ireland

Now if UAE come with a ‘double your money’ offer I’m sure he’ll listen to it

his next contract will be probably be his last big one so will need to make hay.You cant eat medals.

Macy0161

dublin49 wrote: »

his next contract will be probably be his last big

As a sprinter. Then he turns into a classics guy!

breezy1985

dublin49 wrote: »

his next contract will be probably be his last big one so will need to make hay.You cant eat medals.

Maybe Lidl will throw in a few bags of chocolate ones if he stays

CramCycle

breezy1985 wrote: »

Maybe Lidl will throw in a few bags of chocolate ones if he stays

I heard he gets a 5% discount with the LIDL app, can't buy value like that.

gman2k

CramCycle wrote: »

I heard he gets a 5% discount with the LIDL app, can't buy value like that.

I bet it's him who gets the early bird on the cycling shorts in Lidl in Carrick.

Dodge

Looks like Sam will be heading to Portugal for the Vuelta a Algarve that starts on the 5th May. Ackerman and Van Poppel among the sprinters there

2 flat stages out of 5 it seems

Dodge

Looks like Sam will be heading to Portugal for the Vuelta a Algarve that starts on the 5th May. Ackerman and Van Poppel among the sprinters there

2 flat stages out of 5 it seems

Tell me how

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

You're not really meant to discuss current races here in case you spoil it for someone.
There is a general race thread

Maybe stay out of the thread if you've a mind to watch the race later.

I could understand for Grand Tours or possibly even monuments, but what should we do, start a new thread for every race?

breezy1985

Tell me how wrote: »

That's like not discussing premier league games in the Liverpool or United threads.

Stay out of the thread if you've a mind to watch the race later.

It's not the same for one very important reason. Soccer matches never happen during 9 to 5 when most of the population work where as most cycling does so it has a way higher number of fans who tape and watch later.

Most cycling forums I know have a 24hr rule on non spoiler threads

buffalo

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe stay out of the thread if you've a mind to watch the race later.

I could understand for Grand Tours or possibly even monuments, but what should we do, start a new thread for every race?

There's no fee to start a new thread.

odyssey06

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe stay out of the thread if you've a mind to watch the race later.

I could understand for Grand Tours or possibly even monuments, but what should we do, start a new thread for every race?

There's a general thread covering 2021 races to discuss races as they happen:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117087063#post117087063

CrowdedHouse

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe stay out of the thread if you've a mind to watch the race later.

I could understand for Grand Tours or possibly even monuments, but what should we do, start a new thread for every race?

Jaysus don't shoot me I was only trying to help