The Fianna Fáil voter

ThePieintheSky

Manassas61 wrote: »

If Northern Ireland ever is allowed to vote in Republic elections, I would vote Micheál Martin and Fianna Fail and I know other Unionists who would too.

That would be for "trolling" purposes I take it?

Wendolene

Skid X wrote: »

OP, there have been 115 posts on this thread and with virtually everyone is in disagreement with you.

Maybe you are correct and everyone else is wrong. But given the overwhelming weight of opinion to the contrary, is it not time to rethink your position?

You are digging a bigger hole with every post.

Skid, I think it's a bit more than that with the OP.

The OP is determined to see the result of the referendum through a very distorted set of blinkers that bizarrely transpose a "no" vote in a referendum on a prosposed constitutional change into a vote for FF ... just because FF happened to have advocated for the majority cast vote, i.e. the result. He doesn't see the non sequitur in his position.

irishfeen

Thinking actually... how aren't Sinn Fein in a majority government after the "success" of Lisbon 1 and 2? ...

Manassas61

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

That would be for "trolling" purposes I take it?

No. It was during the debates in 2011. Very impressed by him.

ThePieintheSky

Wendolene wrote: »

into a vote for FF

Are you reading my posts?

irishfeen

Manassas61 wrote: »

No. It was during the debates in 2011. Very impressed by him.

Did you not realise what him and his party did to the country? :eek:

ThePieintheSky

Manassas61 wrote: »

No. It was during the debates in 2011. Very impressed by him.

Oh dear.

Wendolene

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Are you reading my posts?

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Speaking as one of the exiled I was shocked at the victory handed to the Fianna Fáil party at the weekend.

They must have big latent support out there, especially in sophisticated areas (but even in Dublin people supported Fianna Fáil by proxy!), despite destroying the country.

What is wrong with these people? What does Fianna Fáil have to do so they will reconsider giving them support?

And apparently the polling companies are saying some of these supporters lie about supporting Fianna Fáil and then vote for them


It's like a cult. A scary cult. Is Micheál Martin the leader of a cult?

So, to answer your question OP : yes, I am reading your posts.

Are you reading your posts ?

ThePieintheSky

Wendolene wrote: »

So, to answer your question OP : yes, I am reading your posts.

Are you reading your posts ?

You are acting up now. In what way does that statement

victory handed to the Fianna Fáil party

- conflict with this clear and simple thing I just typed if you had bothered to read?

unintended proxy confidence vote

Maybe reading before attacking might be good.

XxMCRxBabyxX

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Eligibility test? Really? If you said that in front of me i'd punch you in the jaw. I have voted in every election I have been entitled to vote in in Ireland since I was 18. I have paid my taxes, been law abiding and never asked for ONE cent off the state.

Then the bastards went and wrecked the place and now i'm abroad like so many others forced out because we can't stand living a life on the dole with no work, no hope, no future.

And I am a full Irish citizen and you are telling me I should take a "test"?

I'm not the one that needs the test since there are some on here that can't see the connection between the way they voted yesterday and the credibility handed to the Fianna Fáil party. They don't see it because they don't understand politics.

Yesterday the wreckers of our country got a big boost curtesy of the electorate. Or on Friday rather.

So basically you're saying that we should vote against our beliefs if they just happen to be the same as FFs?

I understand politics. I also know that I should vote for what I support, even if it means being on the side of the "wrong people"

ThePieintheSky

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

So basically you're saying that we should vote against our beliefs if they just happen to be the same as FFs?

I understand politics. I also know that I should vote for what I support, even if it means being on the side of the "wrong people"

Of course you should vote for what you believe in.

Some here don't want to accept the reality that Fianna Fáil is the big political winner from the vote by unintended proxy. That is all I am saying. It's not about wanting to support them or not it is a simple statement of fact.

I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

XxMCRxBabyxX

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Of course you should vote for what you believe in.

Some here don't want to accept the reality that Fianna Fáil is the big political winner from the vote by unintended proxy. That is all I am saying. It's not about wanting to support them or not it is a simple statement of fact.

I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

Which goes back to my question then. What are we meant to do if we don't want to give FF the "win". It seems that it would have to be to vote against them because of them which obviously 51% of those who turned out to vote didn't want to do.

Skid X

Wendolene wrote: »

You seem to be lamenting that the electorate didn't use a constitutional referendum to give FF another kicking. That's where some deeper thought is needed.

That sums it up nicely.

Are we to answer every political question by stating "Whatever Fianna Fail are for - I'm against"?

Of course not. We should not define the merits of a proposal by the history of its proponents.

Wendolene

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

You are acting up now. In what way does that statement



- conflict with this clear and simple thing I just typed if you had bothered to read?



Maybe reading before attacking might be good.

Oh, I've been reading alright. Very carefully indeed.

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

What is wrong with these people? What does Fianna Fáil have to do so they will reconsider giving them support?

And apparently the polling companies are saying some of these supporters lie about supporting Fianna Fáil and then vote for them

OP, you chose to use the phrase "unintended proxy confidence vote" after posting the above, which are (respectively) a question about why voters give support to FF and a statement that voters voted for FF. There's nothing "unintended" about the actions of the voters as you described them. You described them as deliberate acts - not unintended ones.

So, as you can see OP, I am reading your posts. Very carefully indeed, but I still wonder if you do.

DamagedTrax

so,

if we voted yes we supported FG
if we voted no, we supported FF



my brains hurts.

ThePieintheSky

Give me strength.


ALL I said was Fianna Fáil were the main political winners. That is all I said. It does not matter whether you support them or not or voted "no" because they told you to or not. It's irrelevant.

They still have gained credibility. Valuable political currency to build on whether the public supports you or not.

Wendolene

DamagedTrax wrote: »

so,

if we voted yes we supported FG
if we voted no, we supported FF



my brains hurts.

Welcome to the club

DamagedTrax

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Give me strength.


ALL I said was Fianna Fáil were the main political winners. That is all I said. It does not matter whether you support them or not or voted "no" because they told you to or not. It's irrelevant.

They still have gained credibility. Valuable political currency to build on whether the public supports you or not.

this is what you said

And apparently the polling companies are saying some of these supporters lie about supporting Fianna Fáil and then vote for them

there was no vote for FF. there was no vote for FG. it was a referendum on a constitutional change, not an election.

Menas

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Give me strength.


ALL I said was Fianna Fáil were the main political winners. That is all I said. It does not matter whether you support them or not or voted "no" because they told you to or not. It's irrelevant.

They still have gained credibility. Valuable political currency to build on whether the public supports you or not.

Members of the seanad were the main political winners. If people thought that a no vote would give FF more credibility then the ballot would have been passed.

AckwelFoley

People hate politicians apparently.

The same people voted NO or didn't vote because they wanted to protest vote.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


For the record I voted No.

Because im not going to let enda Kenny dismantle the seanad for some populist agenda based on inaccurate calculations and lies.

wazky

AckwelFoley wrote: »

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I hear Saturn is nice this time of year?

donegal__road

I think your choice of the word 'boggier' OP, may have been where the wheel came off.

Mint Aero

I'll be voting fianna fail again.

They're a reformed party. All the bad guys got wiped out in the last general election. So no reason not to. Anything is better than the shower we currently have.

I honestly think you can trust FF now. They've learned from their mistakes and want to rebuild our country unlike FG.

K-9

OP you are basically saying nobody should of voted no because FF advocated no, disregarding the actual merit of the Referendum.

AskMyChocolate

cletus van damme wrote: »

It was a political victory for Martin over Kenny but that doesn't mean the No voters did so to support Martin , or have anything to do with him.
Cos they didn't.

But he won in his battle to show up Enda - that's politics to snatch at any victory.

And he beat Enda good too

Enda Goode Enda Goode ......He's Ehh-heh-heh-,heh heh hEnda Goode.

Sorry

Bit drunk

Choco

Turpentine

Mint Aero wrote: »

I'll be voting fianna fail again.

They're a reformed party. All the bad guys got wiped out in the last general election. So no reason not to. Anything is better than the shower we currently have.

I honestly think you can trust FF now. They've learned from their mistakes and want to rebuild our country unlike FG.

Who were the "bad guys" that got voted out?

Wasn't Michael Martin, current Fianna Fail leader, a major player in the last Fianna Fail government?

Balmed Out

Mint Aero wrote: »

I'll be voting fianna fail again.

They're a reformed party. All the bad guys got wiped out in the last general election. So no reason not to. Anything is better than the shower we currently have.

I honestly think you can trust FF now. They've learned from their mistakes and want to rebuild our country unlike FG.

Funniest post ive read in a long time.

ThePieintheSky

Mint Aero wrote: »

All the bad guys got wiped out in the last general election.

You mean the whole line of ministers that got huge pensions and walked in to the sunset and didn't have the bottle to put themselves forward again?


Is that the Fianna Fail definition of being "wiped out"?:pac:

jjbrien

Mint Aero wrote: »

I'll be voting fianna fail again.

They're a reformed party. All the bad guys got wiped out in the last general election. So no reason not to. Anything is better than the shower we currently have.

I honestly think you can trust FF now. They've learned from their mistakes and want to rebuild our country unlike FG.

Are you serious? Some of them bad guys will no doubt think the coast is clear to run again in the next election. You seem to forget Micheál Martin was one of them bad guys who is now trying to act like teflon Bertie like he did no wrong. Theres a lot of things i disagree with FG on but they were dropped into this mess by FF.

FF TD's might be nice guys to have a pint with but they are hopeless when it comes to running a country. They are like teenagers who's parents have gone away for a weekend and left them home alone.

I would really love to see someone new run the country. I voted FG\Labour last time as I thought they would do different. I will now look at other options but one of them options will never be FF

Brendan Flowers

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Give me strength.


ALL I said was Fianna Fáil were the main political winners. That is all I said. It does not matter whether you support them or not or voted "no" because they told you to or not. It's irrelevant.

They still have gained credibility. Valuable political currency to build on whether the public supports you or not.

You also blamed the "boggers" for supporting Fianna Fail. And so far you failed to explain what exactly you meant by this even though a number of people have questioned you on it.