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Just what *is* good course management?
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ajcurry123 wrote: »You're learning
I'd be interested to know your opinions, I'd say you're a 12 drivers per round man
I like your theory for high HC's but think its a bit extreme, but in general most high HC'ers could do with moving taking a lot of it on boards. The major problem i have with your theory is that it avoids people facing the problem areas.
Your theory promotes a slow and steady progression, I favour short term pain (with addressing "previous" problem areas such as my driver) for "hopefully" greater improvement in the medium-long term
Down to 3 (or 4 if 18 is into the wind!)
By definition you shouldnt be facing problem areas on the course though! Do that on the range or practice rounds where there is no downside, on the course you are there to score as low as possible. You arent going to fix a swing fault on course, especially if you are a high handicap.
Also, Im not advocating you play like this forever, but if you are off 20+ and your handicap is not coming down, then why wouldnt you...clearly your current strategy isnt working.
Learn how to play to your handicap before you try to play lower than it.0 -
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Goldenjohn wrote: »I have to say this just sounds insane to me.....maybe thats why i currently play off 12. I realise you are limiting the risk of ahigh score on the hole but are you not also limiting just how low a handicap you can achieve.... my aspiration is to be a low single figure golfer, if every week i laid up on a tough par 3 .... One, i'd be horrendously bored but secondly, I'm limiting my ability to par the hole...off 12 and therefore having a reasonable control of my golf ball id hope to hit the green 4/10 times, be around the green with the chance of par or bogey at worst another 4/10 & possibly worse the other 2/10.....So 80% of the time I'm getting 2points or better presumably as it would be a low index.
Do u hope to get below your current handicap or maintain what you have within say a shot...and if you got to say 3/4 would you still lay up on 200 yard par 3's & believe you get up and down...
I'm actually intrigued by your game management and would love to see it in action...i must play a boards outing next yr!
Just thinking...can i offer you and Gorfield a free round of golf in Oughterard, I reckon it would be the best money i could invest in getting me to single figures...genuine offer to both of you...I'm sure i could find a 4th to play a friendly match! DM me if either of you are interested
I'd play, pencil bag, two clubs: driver and putter, no tees 0 -
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ajcurry, do you remember how many drivers I used in palmerstown? Would you say I'd have scored better with the driver? I've change my method this year and only off the back sticks will I hit more than 5 with driver. I use it off the backs, not because of distance but because I won't reach the hazards and I've a bigger landing zone.
You could use driver on courses that aren't as punishing but you may also leave yourself anywhere from 100yds to 40yds with tooked pins. I find it easier to have full shorts into greens. Generally from further back I'll have a better angle and won't have to deal with those shots that cause us nightmares.
I can't remember how many Ben, I just remember you hitting a three wood on the 18th for the long drive hole when you had GOTY wrapped up and you were too far off from winning the captains day itself.
That was bad prize management. You should have went with driver
Your course management is very good in fairness, I'd like to think I took something from that and applied it with success last Monday.
I'm not saying that it should be driver off all holes, I just think 3 is a bit extreme.
I'm not as confident with my 3 wood of the tee these days, am hoping to build that up and get it used a bit more.
You're a fairly big hitter, your 3 wood would go as far as many drivers.
Maybe it's something I should look at but I generally have the attitude of "the closer the better".
I'll be the first to admit I have a lot to learn on course management. I'm not saying its a bad thing, far from it. I just think Greebos is far too conservative for me and is not applicable to everyone.0 -
ajcurry123 wrote: »I can't remember how many Ben, I just remember you hitting a three wood on the 18th for the long drive hole when you had GOTY wrapped up and you were too far off from winning the captains day itself.
That was bad prize management. You should have went with driver
Your course management is very good in fairness, I'd like to think I took something from that and applied it with success last Monday.
I'm not saying that it should be driver off all holes, I just think 3 is a bit extreme.
I'm not as confident with my 3 wood of the tee these days, am hoping to build that up and get it used a bit more.
You're a fairly big hitter, your 3 wood would go as far as many drivers.
Maybe it's something I should look at but I generally have the attitude of "the closer the better".
I'll be the first to admit I have a lot to learn on course management. I'm not saying its a bad thing, far from it. I just think Greebos is far too conservative for me and is not applicable to everyone.
Just 4 drivers in palmerstown.
There is the opinion why be 200yds from the green in the rough when I could be 100yds from the green in the rough! I understand the statement and actually would agree it makes a lot of sense.
Took me a while to get confidence to hit wood of the tee, it didn't just happen. I'd top a couple and let them slice into OB. Only started with a bit of course management this year. Yes Greebos option might be a bit conservative as you strike your irons very well, then again if your irons are so good why try and kill it off the tee?
You only score well from your approach shots not the tee. This is why Tiger is so good. He sprays it everywhere but scores with the approach and knows when short of the green is good.
When it becomes non qualifiying try a round with a bit of plotting your way around.0 -
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Serious question.
Do you think people who cant play to their high handicap cant do so because they are being too conservative or not conservative enough?
Id argue that if you are >18 and cant play to it with any regularity then not being aggressive enough isnt your problem. You dont have big numbers by being too conservative and if you cant play to 18+ you are probably having big numbers somewhere along the way.
I don't know how many times I've said it already, but I'll say it again. I agree that your theory will work for a lot, possibly the majority of high HC'ers.
All I am trying to say, outside of that, is that it won't work for everyone and isnt exactly flawless, whereas, I certainly feel that most of your posts seem to convey that you feel it's the only way.
That is the impression the posts give myself (and others I think)
However, you did clarify that it's not always the case and there is a need for some flexibility depending on different situations in your previous post.....
So I don't think we have much to debate further to that.
You've a good theory.
I've taken some on board and will take more on in future but I wont be looking to open up a franchise
Have you ever tried to play your coursra bit more aggressive recently? (Or would you explode if you did that )
Would you say you got course management nailed down at this stage?
If so, would you be worried that you have plateaued at your current handicap? (Which I'd bit your arm off to have)0 -
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ajcurry123 wrote: »I don't know how many times I've said it already, but I'll say it again. I agree that your theory will work for a lot, possibly the majority of high HC'ers.
All I am trying to say, outside of that, is that it won't work for everyone and isnt exactly flawless, whereas, I certainly feel that most of your posts seem to convey that you feel it's the only way.
That is the impression the posts give myself (and others I think)
However, you did clarify that it's not always the case and there is a need for some flexibility depending on different situations in your previous post.....
So I don't think we have much to debate further to that.
You've a good theory.
I've taken some on board and will take more on in future but I wont be looking to open up a franchise
Have you ever tried to play your coursra bit more aggressive recently? (Or would you explode if you did that )
Would you say you got course management nailed down at this stage?
If so, would you be worried that you have plateaued at your current handicap? (Which I'd bit your arm off to have)
- If you are a high handicap golfer, especially one who doesnt get to practice much, I'd make a bet that using some of my ideas will get you at the very worst, playing to it. (call now and receive a free, yes thats right, FREE GreeBo Tee!)
- I think good course management will help every golfer, so yes, I do think it will work for everyone. Start conservative, play to your handicap and see where you can be more aggressive, without costing yourself shots. Its a start, its not an end.
- For years I played my course as it was laid out in front of me, if its a par 3, hit whatever club I need to get there, par 4 is driver and whatever club is left, par 5 was driver and rescue/5wood etc. It didnt get me very far, I was stuck at 17.
I then started playing smarter golf and I went from 17 to 8 in 9 years. Along the way I picked up 2 Captains Prizes, a couple of Majors, multiple medals, got on winning club teams and been there or there abouts on GOTY a few times.
My strategy changes with my handicap because I need to be more and more aggressive to play to it each time it drops. Off 17 I didnt go for a number of Par 4s in two or a couple of par 3s in 1. I dont have that luxury now, or if I do, I need a par or birdie somewhere else to make up for it.
Look, all Im saying is I've tried both methods and this one works, for me at least. If you havent tried it I dont see how you can say it wont work for you. If you think its boring thats fine, do you want to be excited or better golfer, your choice. The reailty is I couldnt give a fiddlers, Im pretty much at my lowest handicap ever and still making my way down. There is nothing in my strategy stopping me from getting even lower, so why would I change it until it becomes a problem?
Jerry's Final Thougts:
A strategy isnt a static thing that you decide and nail to the wall, it changes as your ability changes, it might change because the wind has changed or you are going through a great or terrible period with a certain hole or club. Its flexible. Always trying to play scratch golf isnt. Its betting all your money on black and relying on your sugar daddy of a handicap to bail you out when it comes up red. if your goal is to get lower then having 9 0.1s and 1 -3 doesnt get you anywhere, its exciting but you are getting no closer to your goal and that would frustrate the hell out of me.
Stick a little on black, a little on red, pick a few corners and by all means throw a little on 0, your good days wont be amazing, but you wont crap out either.
/GreeBo out.0 -
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