the importance of good shot placement

PL05

point taken and as i said, not having a go. I shoot on a coillte lease and have taken shots inside the forest itself but can clearly see where shot will end up. have a lot of walkers in there with dogs, can be a pain in the arse at times but have to be extra careful and just put up with. suppose you know your own ground.

sikahuntejack

When i sai i used a forest as a back stop i dont mean a forest hundreds of yards behind the deer im saying if the deer is out grazeing along the edge of the forest i will use it as a backdrop. My mates have leases on coillte lands most times they have to use some sort of the forest as a backdrop.

PL05

Knowing the ground as i said. A lot of forestry can be on hills etc, so if you know the layout of it i suppose you,d know whats safe and whats not.

sikahuntejack

PL05 wrote: »

Knowing the ground as i said. A lot of forestry can be on hills etc, so if you know the layout of it i suppose you,d know whats safe and whats not.

Sound

garv123

daithi55 wrote: »

ive bred a demon on the site thesikahunter {least ive uncovered him)( and do you realise wether that doe was hurt or not its out of season and you have testified to shooting it)chap get a grip god bless the deer of ireland if your the produce of the fellow hunter no regard pull the trigger bang bang hope for the best... cant believe the mods have let this fester bad shooting practice on supposidely irelands no.1 hunting forum

What ever about the backstop debate he is 100% legally covered to shoot the doe..

daithi55

garv123 wrote: »

What ever about the backstop debate he is 100% legally covered to shoot the doe..

where

garv123

daithi55 wrote: »

where

(7) Notwithstanding subsection (5) of this section, it shall not be an offence for a person—


(d) to capture an injured or disabled protected wild animal for the purpose of killing it humanely or with the intention of tending it and of later releasing it, or

(e) to kill humanely a protected wild animal which is either injured in the manner described in paragraph (a) of this subsection or captured in the manner described in paragraph (d) of this subsection, or so to kill a protected wild animal injured in the circumstances described in paragraph (c) of this subsection,

Theres a bit of it..

PL05

daithi55 wrote: »

ive bred a demon on the site thesikahunter {least ive uncovered him)( and do you realise wether that doe was hurt or not its out of season and you have testified to shooting it)chap get a grip god bless the deer of ireland if your the produce of the fellow hunter no regard pull the trigger bang bang hope for the best... cant believe the mods have let this fester bad shooting practice on supposidely irelands no.1 hunting forum

The law states, under the wildlife act that any person can dispatch a wounded or badly injured deer and i dont think you have to report it to anyone, if there is no chance of the animal recovering from it injuries. so he was right to put this animal out of its misery weather it male or female.

PL05

sikahuntejack wrote: »

Could be any mount of reasons how this happened, Last year i took a neck shot at a pricket shot the pricket but the bullet went straight through and shot a doe in the back lucky for me she did not go far

I take it that this is the post your talking about. It does,nt say what time of year it was. This could have happened in november.

PL05

sikahuntejack wrote: »

IF it stops a bullet its good enough for me, being out 5 times this year shot 3 prickets and a doe with a smashed leg i must be doing something right will have a couple of rutting stags to add to that by monday, concentrate more on your hunting lads instead of others;)

sorry, maybe its this post your talking about daithi, But either or iether i dont see any wrong done here. If i came across an animal with a smashed leg, in or out of season, male or female i would,nt hesitate to put it down. Done it before with one that had its lower jaw shot to bits, which is why i dont take head shots on deer.

Cass

Once again a topic comes up where people cannot behave in a civil manner. Then when the mods do not read every post from every thread (sense the sarcasm), and no one bothers to report it we get accused of letting the issue "fester".

So here it is for those that need it. Cut out the crap. One more post of an insulting or uncivil manner will result in a ban and thread closure. If you cannot debate the topic then just don't post.

For those that wish to criticise the forum remember it's ye that post in it so it's ye that make it what it is.


End of.

martin s

daithi55 wrote: »

no why?

Well I shot a pricket in the neck and he dropped on the spot with
the usual few kicks, I gave it a minute or two as I could clearly see him
and he stopped kicking and began my approach, I was about 80yds from him when I took the shot, I had to cross a sheep fence before I got to him which was midway leaving 40yds between the fence and the pricket, just as I threw my leg over the fence I glanced towards him only to see him hop to his feet
and disappear into the woods, I got to where I had shot him and there was no blood, hair etc, I crawled on my hands and knees as much as I could as I had no dog( my own fxxxxxg fault) and the wood was dense. needless to say I never found him and I just wondered was it the same one you shot Daithi,
I heard a good thump when the bullet hit and although I reloaded and was ready as always for a second shot I assumed he was dead when the kicking stopped as I could see no movement at all, anyway that's the story.:(:(

sikahuntejack

daithi55 wrote: »

where

I had ever right to shoot that doe call me what you like, the decission i made was the 100% right one you can see photo of the deers leg on the thread kill zone sure what would you have done brought the deer to the vet or left it there to starve to death

charlie10

martin s wrote: »

Well I shot a pricket in the neck and he dropped on the spot with
the usual few kicks, I gave it a minute or two as I could clearly see him
and he stopped kicking and began my approach, I was about 80yds from him when I took the shot, I had to cross a sheep fence before I got to him which was midway leaving 40yds between the fence and the pricket, just as I threw my leg over the fence I glanced towards him only to see him hop to his feet
and disappear into the woods, I got to where I had shot him and there was no blood, hair etc, I crawled on my hands and knees as much as I could as I had no dog( my own fxxxxxg fault) and the wood was dense. needless to say I never found him and I just wondered was it the same one you shot Daithi,
I heard a good thump when the bullet hit and although I reloaded and was ready as always for a second shot I assumed he was dead when the kicking stopped as I could see no movement at all, anyway that's the story.:(:(

well leason learned and fair play to putting your hand up and sharing your story

underthetumb

No one is disputing you shooting the doe, we all would in that situation. That's not issue.

PL05

martin s wrote: »

Well I shot a pricket in the neck and he dropped on the spot with
the usual few kicks, I gave it a minute or two as I could clearly see him
and he stopped kicking and began my approach, I was about 80yds from him when I took the shot, I had to cross a sheep fence before I got to him which was midway leaving 40yds between the fence and the pricket, just as I threw my leg over the fence I glanced towards him only to see him hop to his feet
and disappear into the woods, I got to where I had shot him and there was no blood, hair etc, I crawled on my hands and knees as much as I could as I had no dog( my own fxxxxxg fault) and the wood was dense. needless to say I never found him and I just wondered was it the same one you shot Daithi,
I heard a good thump when the bullet hit and although I reloaded and was ready as always for a second shot I assumed he was dead when the kicking stopped as I could see no movement at all, anyway that's the story.:(:(

**** happens mate and i feel for ye, theres nothing as bad as losing an animal. Dont beat yourself up over it, its part and parcel of this game but hopefully it does,nt happen very often. dont think theres many people, if they,re honest that hav,nt experienced this at some stage with hunting, whatever the animal. This can happen with neck shots where an animal may be just stunned for a while, as im sure you already know. I suppose its just the time between the shot and getting to the animal.

1shot16

Hopefully its someone just learning and not someone taking a 50/50 chance.

When i started off shooting birds there was one or two occasions the bird needed a second shot due to poor shot placement.

Now i never pull the trigger unless im sure the bird is going down in one shot.

PL05

I dont know how experienced martin s is, for all i know he could have years under his belt. But this could happen to anyone experienced or not. 9 times out of 10 with a neck shot its all she wrote for the target but as i said, theres always a chance that an animal is just stunned, like being knocked out, which by the way can be a dangerous situation especialy if its a stag, as always a deer thats down should always be approached with caution and you should always be ready to dispatch it if it starts to make an effort to get up.

323

Have also come across deer like the daithi55, dead, in various conditions also almost fully or completely healed. Always amazed by their ability to heal.
As this started about shot placement, Boiler Room, Heart/Lung, Boiler Room.....
would say right above the heart. No luck involved, guaranteed, 10 out of 10 will not be going anywhere.


Then picture where that point is from any angle. Providing you have a cartridge/bullet combination that can penetrate enough to reach there, if not or can't accept a wee bit of meat damage for a clean kill, wait for the side through the ribs. Or better still "stalk" to a position that gives you that shot.


Don't seem to find it so much abroad but accept the culture of head and neck shots in Ireland is probably a throwback to when we were limited to hunting deer with 22-250's. Among friends I stalk with, believe it's no coincidence that the really unlucky ones, that shoot at and loose a deer (or two) almost every season, are also the greatest advocates of head/neck shot I know.

It wasn't me!

A good quick find I was given before is to aim for the opposite shoulder, which works really well for all but the steepest angles from the side or quartering away shots. For quartering on, just behind the opposite shoulder will transect as much of the vitals as possible. Although for a sharply quartering on shot, aiming into the far shoulder stands a decent chance of breaking the spine where it's between the shoulder blades.

FISMA

323 wrote: »

Don't seem to find it so much abroad but accept the culture of head and neck shots in Ireland is probably a throwback to when we were limited to hunting deer with 22-250's.

The main reason in the states is due to Chronic Wasting Disease (CDW). CDW has show. Fundamentally, proteins called prions infected many areas, such as the brain and spinal fluids.

CDW is believed to cause problems in humans, however, I am unsure whether that is proof positive.

A head or neck shot would probably rupture the area which needs to stay in tact.

Aside from CDW, the biophysics of the animal would suggest that the most difficult part to accelerate (move out of the way) would be the center of mass (CoM). The head is one of the most likely parts of the animal to move. Probabilistically speaking, the COM is the most likely to still be in the same position when the bullet arrives. The heart/shoulder area isn't too far off the CoM which is why it's my preferred shot.