41st Berlin Marathon

Ferris B

loughie wrote: »

Mid-training slump at the moment. Ran the rock n roll half, new PB by just under a minute 1:23:25........margins look tight for sub3!
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Wouldn't have thought so. That's an excellent time in my book. McMillan has you at 2:55:XX and even adding in a few mins to allow for McMillan's ever present optimism you look like you're well on target.

FBOT01

loughie wrote: »

Mid-training slump at the moment. Ran the rock n roll half, new PB by just under a minute 1:23:25........margins look tight for sub3!

Big mileage week finished with an awful 20 miler (meant to be 22 miles!). I was in a heap finishing it. Took Monday off to recover but bonked on a tempo last night!
Signed up for Tullamore half at end of month, last tune-up before Berlin. Hope training going well for everyone.

That was a nice PB to bag at this stage. Take it handy, get fully recovered and you will be flying again by the end of the month. Although you should probably take how you recovered from RnR into consideration when deciding on your plan for Tullamore...once bitten and all that.

Keep the faith!!

WithCheesePlease

loughie wrote: »

Ran the rock n roll half, new PB by just under a minute 1:23:25........margins look tight for sub3!

I initially read that as margins look right for sub3 - which to me they do! If you keep that up you'll easily make it.

I haven't done a half yet this summer and am thinking I might aim for Tullamore too to see where I'm at. I might be leaving it late but I don't have a whole lot of choice at this stage. I missed the RnR and can't make Clonmel so I'm quickly running out of options.

Ferris B

WithCheesePlease wrote: »

I initially read that as margins look right for sub3 - which to me they do! If you keep that up you'll easily make it.

I haven't done a half yet this summer and am thinking I might aim for Tullamore too to see where I'm at. I might be leaving it late but I don't have a whole lot of choice at this stage. I missed the RnR and can't make Clonmel so I'm quickly running out of options.

Longford might be an option....if you can afford it.

loughie

WithCheesePlease wrote: »

I initially read that as margins look right for sub3 - which to me they do! If you keep that up you'll easily make it.

Ferris B wrote: »

McMillan has you at 2:55:XX and even adding in a few mins to allow for McMillan's ever present optimism you look like you're well on target.

Qualify the tight margins with last years DCM. I ran 1:24:14 for Dublin Half and then 3:01:26 for DCM - 1:19 + split. Was happy with it, left nothing out there! I find McMillan a good indicator of what you can aim for but I find the marathon has more variables to contend with than the shorter races. Nutrition, pace, training, recovery etc has to be bang on and then you have to hope the weather plays ball.

I think the main thing is to get to the start line in as good a shape as possible and give yourself every chance to achieve your target time. I think I'm on track with the odd wobble. Got back on the horse for 14 miles tonight and felt good

Bahanaman

loughie wrote: »

Qualify the tight margins with last years DCM. I ran 1:24:14 for Dublin Half and then 3:01:26 for DCM - 1:19 + split. Was happy with it, left nothing out there! I find McMillan a good indicator of what you can aim for but I find the marathon has more variables to contend with than the shorter races. Nutrition, pace, training, recovery etc has to be bang on and then you have to hope the weather plays ball.

I think the main thing is to get to the start line in as good a shape as possible and give yourself every chance to achieve your target time. I think I'm on track with the odd wobble. Got back on the horse for 14 miles tonight and felt good

I reckon you're right on track. Just keep it going and don't doubt yourself!

WithCheesePlease

Ferris B wrote: »

Longford might be an option....if you can afford it.

€50??! F***********ck that.

Have signed up for Tullamore half at the end of the month. I think I'm going to need that to see where I'm at. I've a horrible feeling I've gotten my pacing and general training all wrong!

yaboya1

F*cking hell lads.
It's a bit early for taper madness! :eek:

jmcc99_98

On a sort of related point - As the rest of ye are probably in the same boat i.e. reaching the peak of training over the next couple of weeks etc. I was just wondering on general nutrition. Ok, I understand we need to eat well and I know what to eat etc. But I am starting to feel tired, very tired even on rest days etc. Do any of ye take supplements/Tonics etc that help counter the fatigue the body begins to feel?

I had a look online and came across ARGI+, have any of ye used it and what do you think or is there an alternative that I could try. Just something that can help maintain immunity and energy levels

Ferris B

jmcc99_98 wrote: »

On a sort of related point - As the rest of ye are probably in the same boat i.e. reaching the peak of training over the next couple of weeks etc. I was just wondering on general nutrition. Ok, I understand we need to eat well and I know what to eat etc. But I am starting to feel tired, very tired even on rest days etc. Do any of ye take supplements/Tonics etc that help counter the fatigue the body begins to feel?

I had a look online and came across ARGI+, have any of ye used it and what do you think or is there an alternative that I could try. Just something that can help maintain immunity and energy levels

Try getting more sleep before considering supplements. Whatever sleep you're getting now , get more . It's free too.

ultraman1

Ferris B wrote: »

Try getting more sleep before considering supplements. Whatever sleep you're getting now , get more . It's free too.

Plus one to that...,1 hr per night xtra sleep per night over a week equals a extra nights sleep..

Murph_D

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FBOT01

Ferris B wrote: »

Try getting more sleep before considering supplements. Whatever sleep you're getting now , get more . It's free too.

Sound advise and a bargain all in one. Good man, Ferris.

Amateurrunner

2weekends ago on my long run I didn't take much fuel onboard and I felt really wreaked afterwards. On Saturday I did 20miles with gel at the start, 1hr in and 2hr in and drank a sports drink and I felt great afterwards so check to make sure you are fueling ur runs. I'm not into "tonics" but then I love food 😊

Amateurrunner

Did 32.2km on Sat (training in km as Berlin is marked in km) as I like the idea of having just 10km extra to do. Heading to Oxford Friday morning until Mon night so had to do 26km tonight. So much harder doing a long run after work, legs felt sore towards the end but I'm glad I haven't missed this weeks long run. I definitely need to get the foam roller out more. Good luck with the training everyone.

yaboya1

Amateurrunner wrote: »

had to do 26km tonight. So much harder doing a long run after work, legs felt sore towards the end

Totally agree with this. Ran 18 miles on Sunday with no issues. The 16 after work last night were difficult to say the least.

belcarra

yaboya1 wrote: »

Totally agree with this. Ran 18 miles on Sunday with no issues. The 16 after work last night were difficult to say the least.

I'm way behind in training and did 26.6km on Monday evening after work (and a heavy 4 days of partying in Glasgow!) and felt like crap, with a real slow shuffle towards the end. I was considering looking for a deferral but you guys give me some hope that all is not necessarily lost!! I'll defer my deferral decision for a week or two.
Regardless, I'll be heading to Berlin for the party anyways!!
#priorities!

WithCheesePlease

Amateurrunner wrote: »

Did 32.2km on Sat (training in km as Berlin is marked in km) as I like the idea of having just 10km extra to do. Heading to Oxford Friday morning until Mon night so had to do 26km tonight. So much harder doing a long run after work, legs felt sore towards the end but I'm glad I haven't missed this weeks long run. I definitely need to get the foam roller out more. Good luck with the training everyone.

I have 22 miles to look forward to after work tomorrow evening. I'm off to Galway to destroy my body on a stag for the weekend (last bit of boozing before Berlin) so I need to get the run in before I go.

It's funny though, I don't mind long runs in the evenings. Just as long as I remember to eat before I leave work. When I was training for Paris last year I did all my long runs on Friday evenings so I had my weekends free. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Ferris B

Username|PB|Predicted Time|Actual Time
loughie|3:01:26|2:59:12|
FBOT01|3:13:16|2:59:xx|
yaboya1|3:08:26|2:59:59|
withcheeseplease|3:17:29|3:08:00|
jahaco|3:11:49|3:09:00
PDCAT|3:36:14|3:29:59
benedictine monk|3:42:xx|3:39:59|
Murph_D|3:46:15|3:39:59|
dwayneshintzy|3:48:09|3:39:59|
belcarra|3:21:12|3:40:00|
niamhpamela|4:02:56|3:59:59|
jmcc99_98|4:04:35|3:59:59|
Amateurrunner|4:18:00|3:59:59|
Ferris B|3:12:21|2:59:55|


I said I'd put up a target time towards the end of August. Colours are now firmly nailed blu tacked to the mast.There's still a lot of work yet to do in order to achieve it though.

I just wish Yaboya would change his target time as mine looks ridiculous ahead of him.

FBOT01

Ferris B wrote: »

Username|PB|Predicted Time|Actual Time
loughie|3:01:26|2:59:12|
FBOT01|3:13:16|2:59:xx|
yaboya1|3:08:26|2:59:59|
withcheeseplease|3:17:29|3:08:00|
jahaco|3:11:49|3:09:00
PDCAT|3:36:14|3:29:59
benedictine monk|3:42:xx|3:39:59|
Murph_D|3:46:15|3:39:59|
dwayneshintzy|3:48:09|3:39:59|
belcarra|3:21:12|3:40:00|
niamhpamela|4:02:56|3:59:59|
jmcc99_98|4:04:35|3:59:59|
Amateurrunner|4:18:00|3:59:59|
Ferris B|3:12:21|2:59:55|


I said I'd put up a target time towards the end of August. Colours are now firmly nailed blu tacked to the mast.There's still a lot of work yet to do in order to achieve it though.

I just wish Yaboya would change his target time as mine looks ridiculous ahead of him.

Welcome on board. I knew you would give into it eventually.....now let's stay healthy, keep the faith and go for it!!

Anyway after seeing your garmin stats for today's MP run if you hadn't done this I would have outted you.....as if you weren't going for sub 3 after that you should have been:)

I agreed with your comment on Yaboya. I look at his recent performances and think to myself one of us has their target wrong.....and I hope it is not me:D

yaboya1

1:20:17 in the Longford HM yesterday .
I'll update my target time at the beginning of my taper

loughie

Got the 18 miles wi 14 MP done Sunday MP - average 6:45 finished strong. Tullamore Half this weekend and then roll down into Berlin!

dwayneshintzy

Had been worried about my training, but decided to take it very easy all last week before the HM in Letterkenny on Sunday. Managed to do it in 1:38 (on a tough enough course), so very happy. If I can hit a couple more 20 mile runs in the next two weeks, think I should be in decent shape for 3:40.

PVincent

Just in case there is someone out there who desperately wants to do Berlin, I have a place with Sportstravel that can be changed to another name . PM me if you are that person . Unfortunately an injury looks like it has scuppered me this year, so if I can get someone else using the entry incl flights and hotel etc , the better for me obviously .

WithCheesePlease

loughie wrote: »

Tullamore Half this weekend and then roll down into Berlin!

I might see you in Tullamore! Not that I know you or anything!

That half will decide everything for me. My training seems to be going ok and my LSRs are all comfortable and my medium PMP runs are going to plan. I'm still thinking I might be back to update the prediction table but I won't be doing anything until after I cross the finish line in Tullamore.

loughie

WithCheesePlease wrote: »

I might see you in Tullamore! Not that I know you or anything!

I'll be there with another lad from the club, Newbridge AC - Green singlet. I'll be the short lad Give me a shout. It would be good to bump into any Berliner's before the marathon!

yaboya1

loughie wrote: »

It would be good to bump into any Berliner's before the marathon!

We'll be drinking plenty of Berliner's after the marathon

WithCheesePlease

loughie wrote: »

I'll be there with another lad from the club, Newbridge AC - Green singlet. I'll be the short lad Give me a shout. It would be good to bump into any Berliner's before the marathon!

Cool, I'll probably be in my navy and red Piranha tri club singlet. I'll keep an eye out.

jfh

looking at the frankfurt thread, they're putting us to shame with all the talk of local beers, after party etc.
where's good to go for post recovery drinks.
is there anything we must do in Berlin? it's been years since i was there, i've booked a segway tour on the saturday.

yaboya1

jfh wrote: »

looking at the frankfurt thread, they're putting us to shame with all the talk of local beers, after party etc.
where's good to go for post recovery drinks.
is there anything we must do in Berlin? it's been years since i was there, i've booked a segway tour on the saturday.

What time are you doing the Segway tour? I was planning on getting my final few miles in at the breakfast run on Saturday morning before heading to the Expo. Should be done & dusted with all that by 12pm at the latest. I'd be up for the Segway tour afterwards.