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Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

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    #722
    Son0vagun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Son0vagun


    Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.


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    #723
    Jimmy Iovine
    Registered Users Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭Jimmy Iovine


    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix menu? Netflix put a picture because the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

    I couldn't view it on Chrome. Had to sign in via IE. Worked perfectly on that.


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    #724
    NicoleL88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭NicoleL88


    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

    Yeah, I chose to watch it on Netflix this week and was well-pissed off. Netflix are f*cking notorious for doing that. :mad:


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    #725
    Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother


    Someone mentioned the "unseen Lewis" earlier. We saw him in the series before, when he called over to collect Walt Jr. Walt asked him if he wanted waffles or something like that. A minor detail. Carry on.


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    #726
    Mousewar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭Mousewar


    Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »
    Someone mentioned the "unseen Lewis" earlier. We saw him in the series before, when he called over to collect Walt Jr. Walt asked him if he wanted waffles or something like that. A minor detail. Carry on.
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    #727
    Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother


    And maybe Lewis was part of the Walt Jr crew when they tried to get someone to buy them beer, with two of them running away and leaving Junior to get taken downtown?


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    #728
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

    I didn't notice that, but I did accidentally hover over the bar in episode 13 and saw an image of Todd with a gun in the desert. I spent the last part of the episode shouting at the screen for Hank to leave because I knew the Nazis would turn up.


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    #729
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well? I don't remember anything happening in the previous episode that put him in the line of fire. Was it explained somewhere? Or was I just so numbed by Hank being offed that I missed that part.

    Trying to work out how they're going to tie everything up. Anticipating a bloodbath in the next episode. When do Netflix release them?


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    #730
    NicoleL88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭NicoleL88


    Japandamo wrote: »
    May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well?

    When do Netflix release them?

    Because Walt was his client.

    Netflix releases the episode roughly 12 hours after airing in the US.


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    #731
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    NicoleL88 wrote: »
    Because Walt was his client.

    Netflix releases the episode roughly 12 hours after airing in the US.

    But Walt was going to disappear, and surely as a lawyer you don't get put away for having a dodgy client (insert your own joke about lawyers here)...unless it's the Nazis he was worried about, but why would they go after him? It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to the possibility that there's something glaringly obvious that I'm not thinking about...


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    #732
    armchair fusilier
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    Japandamo wrote: »
    May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well?

    Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.


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    #733
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    armchair fusilier wrote: »
    Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.

    Aaaah, yes, I forgot about that. I guess I was just confused because he hadn't shown any sign of running in the previous episode.

    Thanks for that.


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    #734
    lukin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭lukin


    The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.


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    #735
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    armchair fusilier wrote: »
    Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.

    Plus Saul has been extremely paranoid and in fear for his life for the last 2 seasons nearly.


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    #736
    Mousewar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭Mousewar


    Mr Freeze wrote: »
    Plus Saul has been extremely paranoid and in fear for his life for the last 2 seasons nearly.

    Yeah, I think the rampaging killer Nazis might have been a fairly big motivating factor as well.


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    #737
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    lukin wrote: »
    The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.

    I suppose the message is that when you start dealing drugs things are going to end up getting pretty serious and you're going to be dealing with some pretty unsavoury types. I didn't think Todd and co were being glorified really, I'll be quite happy to see them wiped out. I agree, though, it's tough watching Jesse suffer when he's the only one who hasn't really budged from his moral position from the beginning.


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    #738
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    lukin wrote: »
    The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.

    How are they being glorified?

    The second part of season 5 has differed from earlier seasons in terms of dramatic effect but would be way out of kilter to have a happy disneyland ending to it. I doubt there will be a happy ending for anyone


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    #739
    AnonoBoy
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    lukin wrote: »
    The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening.

    They're being shown as scumbags. Just because they haven't got their comeuppance yet doesn't mean the show is glorifying them.


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    #740
    lukin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭lukin


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    How are they being glorified?
    Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 million quid for themselves. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?
    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    The second part of season 5 has differed from earlier seasons in terms of dramatic effect but would be way out of kilter to have a happy disneyland ending to it. I doubt there will be a happy ending for anyone

    I don't expect a happy disneyland ending but I do expect some kind of balance.


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    #741
    Dempsey
    Registered Users Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    lukin wrote: »
    Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 milliion quid for themselves. Thye seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?



    I don't expect a happy disneyland ending but I do expect some kind of balance.


    I think u need to wait for the finale

    they are about to get their comeuppance. its tv's worst kept secret


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    #742
    lukin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭lukin


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I think u need to wait for the finale

    they are about to get their comeuppance. its tv's worst kept secret

    I will have a bet with you that they won't.


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    #743
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    lukin wrote: »
    I will have a bet with you that they won't.

    But wasn't Gus Fring also being glorified until the end of the last season in that case...

    I'd take that bet.


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    #744
    mightyreds
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

    Think last week they had jack standing over hank with the gun, was well p. off with that after the cliff hanger the week before.


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    #745
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.


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    #746
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,340 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    lukin wrote: »
    Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 million quid for themselves. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?

    Yes, but it's important to remember they've been in far far fewer episodes than Walt/Jesse/Saul. And they only got their 70million 2 episodes ago pretty much completely by luck. I mean, if that's your reasoning, then Gus was glorified for over two seasons. He dominated the meth business in the entire Southwest of the US, and severely damaged the Mexican Cartel while doing so, and bar Hank having suspicions about him (which no other cops did, and some were even friends with him) he would have completely gotten away with it...

    ...if not for the final episode of Season 4 where Walt won and killed him. Uncle Jack et al stole Walt's money and killed Hank. Walt is going after them, and being the final episode will almost definitely win. The only real question is how.


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    #747
    snausages
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.

    I agree, such an absurd criticism :confused:


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    #748
    Madame K
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Madame K


    pickarooney wrote: »
    I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.

    I've seen the same criticisms in literature as well. It boggles the mind.


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    #749
    Dempsey
    Registered Users Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    lukin wrote: »
    I will have a bet with you that they won't.

    ill take that bet

    you think American tv is going to allow nazi meth dealers ride off into the sunset? lol, no


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    #750
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I'll be very surprised if the Nazis get away with it.


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    #751
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    lukin wrote: »
    I will have a bet with you that they won't.

    They will. And even if they didn't so what? Yes they deserve it but when in real life does everyone get what they deserve?

    I don't see how they are being glorified? It's a fictional tv show, it would be be pretty boring if everyone was arrested or killed as soon as they did something you don't agree with. Sure Gus 'got away with it' for ages, as did Walt. The nazis haven't been in it for that long so obviously their story takes a while to develop.

    Jesse is a murderer too don't forget so why should he get a happy ending? That's the beauty of breaking bad IMO, you can hate a character for some deeds but also sympathise with them. After everything walt has done I am still rooting for him to at least get his money back from the nazis before he dies. After the first half of season 5 I was hoping for Jesse to ride off into the sunset with his money but I think that ship has sailed now.


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