Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

Quixoticelixer

A Primal Nut wrote: »

He showed in his last episode that he still has some campassion (Hank and then his family). What else is Walt possibly doing in the flashback apart from rescuing someone? And who is in need of being rescued - Jesse.

The last episode tried to make it less obvious by having them hate each other more than ever.

But Walt will have some realisation or something will happen to make him change his mind. Something we've all missed.

Taking vengeance on Jack and his gang seems more plausible right now than a rescue mission for someone he currently despises. One of Walt's biggest weaknesses is his ego, he's too proud not to take vengeance on the Nazi group.

banquo

Part of me thought that Walt would change for the better, but it would be too late and he'd be killed anyway. Tragedy, etc. But this is just turning into "Yeah, Marie was right. He should just kill himself.

Tagline for Ep 15: "Events set in motion long ago move toward a conclusion."

Evil_g

Who wrote Heisenberg on the wall of Walt's house in the flashback?

The only person I can think of who would do that is Jesse.

Why was Walt's house boarded up and his Neighbour so scared of him?

I think something terrible happened in the house.

Jesse really hates Walt right now. Walt can't rescue him even if he wanted to.

I think Jesse goes after Walt's family.

banquo

Another thing I just read: Apparently AMC haven't confirmed that 'Felina' is actually the title of the last episode, all that's based on is a grainy shot of Marie holding a script that says 'Felina'.

Madame K

I just saw a preview for this episode. I expect I will experience more emotional turmoil than the last two episodes combined.

D-FENS

Evil_g wrote: »

Who wrote Heisenberg on the wall of Walt's house in the flashback?

The only person I can think of who would do that is Jesse.

Why was Walt's house boarded up and his Neighbour so scared of him?

I think something terrible happened in the house.

Jesse really hates Walt right now. Walt can't rescue him even if he wanted to.

I think Jesse goes after Walt's family.

I don’t think Jesse would do that, no matter how much he now hates Walt.

As for the house, surely it’s just a case that it’s now become public knowledge that Walter White is on suspected drug lord on the run for killing two DEA agents, hence why he neighbour was so scared.
The graffiti artist was likely just some kid, maybe even the skater boys in the pool outside or maybe some tweaker fan of the blue paying homage like he was at Jim Morrison’s grave.
It was just meant to symbolise that the game is finally up and his big secret is out

vitani

jethro081 wrote: »

JI want resolution to jesse's story, as much as i want resolution to walts, though i hope both resolutions are very different. I'd like to see jesse experience some sort of cathartic closure, and be in a position to move on and have a decent life.

I wonder can he, though? He was going to be ok with Hank because he cut a deal with him in exchange for giving Walter up, but surely the police have some idea of his involvement in the meth empire now and I doubt he has any leverage left to get himself off. Even Saul is not that good. So if Walt does rescue him, or he escapes from the Nazis somehow, he'll have to go on the run.

I suppose that could be an ok ending for him if he comes to terms emotionally with all that's happened.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Pinkman is a stupid f***tard and better be removed from the gene pool. He has proven his weakness and inferiority again and again over 60 episodes, missed plenty chances to kill Walt (hell, he couldn't even bring down Walter White with the help of two season law enforcement officers, intead he had them killed). Why should that change the in the final two episodes?

Should I point out for you that the spin off is not telling the adventures of Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete?

What a load of nonsense.

Torqay

When has Pinkman ever done anything smart on his own initiative? He has yet to apply himself.

FloatingVoter

Jesse has been tied up like The Gimp in Pulp Fiction by Todd. Its therefore obvious that Bruce Willis will appear soon with a Samurai sword and have words with them both.
That or the Lydia porn flick idea suit me.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

When has Pinkman ever done anything smart on his own initiative? He has yet to apply himself.

He outsmarted Walt in the last couple of episodes to get him arrested. Hank and Gomez ending up dead because of the Nazis was hardly down to Jesse being stupid.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

He outsmarted Walt in the last couple of episodes to get him arrested. Hank and Gomez ending up dead because of the Nazis was hardly down to Jesse being stupid.

Sorry, but you're wrong there. It was Hank who outsmarted Walt with the buried money. He only used Jesse for his little ruse with burning the cash.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Sorry, but you're wrong there. It was Hank who outsmarted Walt with the buried money. He only used Jesse for his little ruse with burning the cash.

Sorry but you're wrong there. It was Jesse's idea.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Magnets bitch! Jesse's finest hour.

gosplan

I think this fanciful notion of Walt coming back for vengeance on the Nazi gang is wrong. Walt wouldn't even know how to take them on. He's wanted and has no decent contacts left with no place to hide or plan.

Even the M60 doesn't fit well. Sorry to dissappoint but Walt is not going to take people on in a massive firefight.

Otherwise, anyone think that Jesse might pull the same 'gassing' trick that Walt did to Crazy 8? Pointed reference two episodes back to Todd keeping on his gas mask during the cook. That has to be going somewhere.

The simplest conclusion is the most likely. Jesse escapes, enraged by Walt getting away with it and the admission about Jane, he takes Walts family. Remember everything Jesse has done in the last few weeks has been about making Walt pay. Though Walt is gone from his family, Jesse sees that he's gone with 10 million and still gotten away with everything, including the added responsibility of Jane's death.

Jesse contacts Saul who gets in touch with Walt through the carpet cleaner guy who knows where he is.

Walt comes back, arms himself, and also gets the ricin to go and meet with Jesse because he doesn't know how or when his chance will come to kill him.

Cue huge dramatic ending involving Walt, Jesse and Walt's family.

Dolbert

^This is pretty much exactly how it'll turn out IMO.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Sorry but you're wrong there. It was Jesse's idea.

LOL... Did you even watch episode 14?

Pinkman: Yo, man, you can't just give up on this.

Hank: Who said we're giving up?

Gomie: What do you got?

Hank: Just thinking about what Babineaux said about the van being dirty and the shovel that Walt had with him. I'll bet you 10-to-1 he buried that money.

Gomie: No kidding. So what? There's a whole lot of desert out there. How are we gonna find the right spot? You said it yourself, there's no GPS on the van.

Hank: Yeah. But Walt doesn't know that.

vitani

Torqay wrote: »

LOL... Did you even watch episode 14?

It was Jesse's idea to use the money to get him in the first place though. That's why they went after Huell and faked Jesse's death.

Torqay

vitani wrote: »

It was Jesse's idea to use the money to get him in the first place though. That's why they went after Huell and faked Jesse's death.

Jesse didn't even know about the money being buried. Jesse's splattered brains was Hank's (not their) idea to deceive Huell.

Jesse in his stupidity screwed up at the Plaza.

Jesse's "smart" ideas of taking down Walt involve such subtle methods as burning down his house.

D-FENS

It was also Jesse's idea to rob the train the way they did.
And anyway, who cares if he's not a genius like Walt (The fact they were were so opposite was the key to their on screen chemistry and a huge selling point on the show for most people).
He's a thick c*nt really, but a likeable thick c*nt with a good heart, I hope he makes it.

Torqay

All true. He's an important character, contributing greatly to the show... but he doesn't have the brains to outsmart Walt.

And he still has two episodes to apply himself.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Jesse didn't even know about the money being buried. Jesse's splattered brains was Hank's (not their) idea to deceive Huell.

Jesse in his stupidity screwed up at the Plaza.

Jesse's "smart" ideas of taking down Walt involve such subtle methods as burning down his house.

Jesse identified Huell as the weak link in the chain. And knew the money was the best way to get Walt.

Jesse didn't screw up. He didn't want to get killed. Hank was being an asshole not caring what happened to Jesse.

You use a lot of wink faces in your posts. Gives off a smug impression.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Hank was being an asshole not caring what happened to Jesse.

Hank is the law, his job is to catch bad guys. Why would he play nanny for a "nut-job meth-head"?

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Hank is the law, his job is to catch bad guys. Why would he play nanny for a "nut-job meth-head"?

Why put him into a really dangerous situation? Hank was being an asshole because of his obsession.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Why put him into a really dangerous situation?

Again, this was explained:

Gomie: What if the kid's right? What if it's a trap?

Hank: "The kid"? Oh, you mean the junkie murderer that's dribbling all over my guest bathroom floor? Well, then, he's right. Pinkman gets killed, and we get it all on tape.

mightyreds

Torqay wrote: »

Jesse didn't even know about the money being buried. Jesse's splattered brains was Hank's (not their) idea to deceive Huell.

Jesse in his stupidity screwed up at the Plaza.

Jesse's "smart" ideas of taking down Walt involve such subtle methods as burning down his house.

Have to agree jesses idea was the money, hank did all the figuring out where it was and tricking huell into giving up that it was buried.(well the clues that let them believe it was buried)

Torqay

mightyreds wrote: »

Have to agree jesses idea was the money, hank did all the figuring out where it was and tricking huell into giving up that it was buried.(well the clues that let them believe it was buried)

Well, if Pinkman would not have given them something better after he screwed up the initial plan at the Plaza, Hank would have thrown him in jail. They had his video confession, enough to put him away for life.

Torqay

Torqay wrote: »

Pinkman is a stupid f***tard and better be removed from the gene pool. He has proven his weakness and inferiority again and again over 60 episodes, missed plenty chances to kill me (hell, he couldn't even bring down me with the help of two seasoned law enforcement officers, intead he had them killed). Why should that change the in the final two episodes?

Should I point out for you that the spin off is not telling the adventures of Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete?

Heisenberg, is that you? :eek:

Wacker The Attacker

jethro081 wrote: »

Jesse is for me, the most sympathetic character in the show. He is the only one who seems remorseful for the things that he has done, and his character arc has been as engrossing as walts for me.

Also, surely walt is the stupid ****tard as he got his brother in law killed, leaving himself face down in the dirt weeping having given away his "empire" earnings, in a bid to save a man who said himself that he was already dead.

I want resolution to jesse's story, as much as i want resolution to walts, though i hope both resolutions are very different. I'd like to see jesse experience some sort of cathartic closure, and be in a position to move on and have a decent life.

I hope walt dies roaring.

Jesse is a bitch. I was certain he was going to die but now I'm not so sure.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Again, this was explained:

Yes they explained Hank's reasons. I understand that. His reasons behind it are the same reasons I think he was being an asshole. I'm not saying Hank turned into a mental lunatic and wanted Jesse killed for no reason so yeah....unnecessary post.

You seem to be one of those smug BB fans that thinks he's a bigger fan than everyone else and thinks all of his opinions on the show are superior.

I like Jesse and think Walt deserves to die. That's my opinion. You don't like Jesse and still have sympathy for Walt. Fair enough.