Boating chit chat thread.

miss no stars

neris wrote: »

White sails really pisses me off. Could go on a rant about white sails but would be club specific. The brass monkeys spinnaker class was good racing these last 2 series

I'm raging I missed the members forum as I actually wanted to raise the issue. Pity I didn't take a chance on it so, it just looked like the numbers were too small to get any decent racing within the spi class. Next year!

Vexorg

We raced white sails for the DBSC first season and moved up to Spinnaker Class in the Turkey Shoot & Spring Chicken. We still do not have a full crew and have been looking for a permanent mast man and tactician without success. How do you guys manage to get full crews?

miss no stars

Vexorg wrote: »

We raced white sails for the DBSC first season and moved up to Spinnaker Class in the Turkey Shoot & Spring Chicken. We still do not have a full crew and have been looking for a permanent mast man and tactician without success. How do you guys manage to get full crews?

I think the general consensus is that most people manage with difficulty!

Stheno

Having moved from white sails to a spinny boat, it's a whole different experience, I definitely had those moments sitting on the rail bored out of my skull that mns describes

neris

miss no stars wrote: »

I'm raging I missed the members forum as I actually wanted to raise the issue. Pity I didn't take a chance on it so, it just looked like the numbers were too small to get any decent racing within the spi class. Next year!

think there was 8 kites in class 2 out for the last days racing which was pretty much all the spinnaker entries. Autumn leagues finish and everyone thinks sailing is over and it gets to cold to do the brass monkeys. If you have issues or suggestions over racing it would be worth emailing the sailing sec in the club.

miss no stars

Tbh I'm sure he'd like to see more spinnakers up as well... I was more hoping to prod people with the suggestion directly. Ah well, another time. It just amazes me that people wallow around in a rolly-polly boat doing 3 knots when they could be doing twice that and going steady and then are surprised when it's hard to get crew and race numbers dwindle.

Then you've people who get a rush of sh!t to the head and do stuff like this :P

pedroeibar1

You don't need the colors to know they are Yanks! Dead down wind a mizzen is useless, even reefed as on that ketch, as it inevitably backwinds the mizzen staysail. Were they to drop the main I'd bet that hull speed would not drop either.

JamesM

I suppose the US on the main is a giveaway
That's Jim Kilroy, Dennis Conner is probably on board as well - they probably know what they're at
Jim.

neris

JamesM wrote: »

I suppose the US on the main is a giveaway
That's Jim Kilroy, Dennis Conner is probably on board as well - they probably know what they're at
Jim.

Info on Kialoa and some even better pics here

http://rbsailing.blogspot.ie/2013/07/kialoa-iii-s-maxi.html

Article and pics of the old school maxis here.

http://rbsailing.blogspot.ie/2013/01/the-ior-maxis-1980s.html

HeidiHeidi

Jaysus, I can only imagine the tangle of sheets and guys - not to mention crew to man them all - involved in that :eek:

ETA - haha, just read further down the page...... one word - GYBING :eek::eek::eek:

neris

Anyone remember this attempt at a Maxi before it was red?

HeidiHeidi

Thought for a minute it was Moonduster, but the transom is wrong (and anyway, who in their right mind would have painted that red??!!)

neris wrote: »

Anyone remember this attempt at a Maxi before it was red?

JamesM

NCB Ireland skippered by Joe English.
Jim.

pedroeibar1

She was a dog! Did she not go to Poland or somewhere for a refit when the Irish Navy said no to taking her on? She's yours for $200k now. (Dog she might be but if you buy I'll give you a hand bringing her back from the Carribbean;) )
That stern/transom screams Holland. The Shamrocks and Apples were fast, but I think Holland designed nothing succesful (racing results wise) since the seventies.

neris

She ended up down in greece as some ship owners play toy then ended up in some hotel along with martella in the caribbean. Martellas up for sale aswell. Martella was irish owned at one stage bout 2002 was bols & irish independent. 2 boats you could buy for feck all and then bankrupt yourself buying a new main

miss no stars

Thanks to those I was out with on Sunday, had a blast

Dunno what your decision was - or if you're already doing it - and only thought of it afterwards; but if you're worried about the spi hoists going smoothly something I've found very useful is to put a 2:1 purchase on the spi halyard. Replace the shackle on the end of the halyard with a block, the run a line measuring [the distance from the deck to the block for the halyard at the top of the mast] from the deck through the block on the end of the halyard and onto the head of the spinnaker (attach shackle or whatever if you want, I tend to just tie the head off on bigger boats tbh). Halves the time you spend hoisting.

Also, how did I get sunburn in March with factor 20 on?!

Vexorg

Thanks for coming out with us, was great to have another experienced sailor on board.

Will take a look at the your suggestion regarding the spinnaker hoist.

Congrats to Steve for winning a special award/prize too, a great end to our first year on the water.

miss no stars wrote: »

Thanks to those I was out with on Sunday, had a blast

Dunno what your decision was - or if you're already doing it - and only thought of it afterwards; but if you're worried about the spi hoists going smoothly something I've found very useful is to put a 2:1 purchase on the spi halyard. Replace the shackle on the end of the halyard with a block, the run a line measuring [the distance from the deck to the block for the halyard at the top of the mast] from the deck through the block on the end of the halyard and onto the head of the spinnaker (attach shackle or whatever if you want, I tend to just tie the head off on bigger boats tbh). Halves the time you spend hoisting.

Also, how did I get sunburn in March with factor 20 on?!

HeidiHeidi

Ah crap, I missed meeting even more of ye, I got stuck working on Sunday and had to give the sailing a miss :mad:

Never mind, I'll get to introduce myself one of these days.:D

Vexorg

Thats a pity, maybe someone will organise a beers, and put more faces to names.

miss no stars

I think this forum is long overdue for a beers...

HeidiHeidi

I think that's a most excellent idea!!!

Once the season gets up and running we'll surely all turn up at the same event once or twice.... just need to keep our timetables co-ordinated!

pedroeibar1

miss no stars wrote: »

Thanks to those I was out with on Sunday, had a blast

Dunno what your decision was - or if you're already doing it - and only thought of it afterwards; but if you're worried about the spi hoists going smoothly something I've found very useful is to put a 2:1 purchase on the spi halyard. .........

I'd be a bit worried about that, just something else that could get tangled....Do you not hoist the spinny in stops? I've always found that is the most efficient way, it can be set up even before rounding a mark and just needs the patience of the crew on the sheet before it is broken out.

miss no stars

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I'd be a bit worried about that, just something else that could get tangled....Do you not hoist the spinny in stops? I've always found that is the most efficient way, it can be set up even before rounding a mark and just needs the patience of the crew on the sheet before it is broken out.

Works a treat on one of the boats I've sailed for years, I've also seen it done on a few other boats. The only time I've seen it get tangled is when someone hanked the jib on incorrectly.

Sail stops are now, broadly speaking, illegal under rule 55 unless the NOR and SIs are specifically worded to allow them. So unless the SIs and NOR specifically modify rule 55, your only similar option is a snuffer or to get it up fast.

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/10/08/trash-disposal-use-sail-stops/

pedroeibar1

Thanks MissNS, I did not realise that. Shows how long it is since I've raced. My first rubber band holder was a 'borrowed' traffic cone with top and bottom cut off. Worked a treat.
That Rule 55 really is PC gone daft. I suppose one could now protest the OOD for using a cotton wad in the starting cannon!

miss no stars

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

That Rule 55 really is PC gone daft. I suppose one could now protest the OOD for using a cotton wad in the starting cannon!

Yeah, I think it was a case that they just didn't think it through properly. I'm sure we've all seen gob****es fecking their rubbish overboard (ah sure it'll biodegrade... eventually!). It's poor form and it's damaging to the environment and I think ISAF were trying to clean up sailing tbh and get rid of such environmentally un-friendly behaviour. I can admire that tbh, I'm sure some places are strewn with rubbish after large open events and providing teeth to actually punish that behaviour is a good step.

I think the banning of stops may have been an unintended - but unavoidable due to the wording - consequence. The fact that they so readily suggest a workaround might mean it would be worth keeping a weather eye out for it in RRS 2017-2020?

neris

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I suppose one could now protest the OOD for using a cotton wad in the starting cannon!

you,ll have to find an ood who still uses a cannon or anything that goes bang 1st.

HeidiHeidi

neris wrote: »

you,ll have to find an ood who still uses a cannon or anything that goes bang 1st.

The starters on the West Pier Hut in DL are still using (mini) cannons for the starting/finishing guns! They look like proper antique ones, and frighten the bejaysus out of any passing pedestrians who don't notice the "Guns Firing" signs we put out.

pedroeibar1

Of course they are antique! The were old when I was a kid, and the last time I manned the line from the Hut, Jack Kennedy was alive and a bottle of something strong to keep out the damp was de rigueur. (Otherwise the Class Captain risked at least a recall !)

pedroeibar1

miss no stars wrote: »

.......I'm sure we've all seen gob****es fecking their rubbish overboard (ah sure it'll biodegrade... eventually!). It's poor form and it's damaging to the environment and I think ISAF were trying to clean up sailing tbh and get rid of such environmentally un-friendly behaviour. I can admire that tbh, I'm sure some places are strewn with rubbish after large open events and providing teeth to actually punish that behaviour is a good step........

Waaay back we always brought our rubbish home. Most boaters are aware of what a bit of plastice can do to a water intake on an engine. Before that - when I was a kid, it was common for thinking folk to break a beer bottle with a winchhandle before dropping it. That way the bits sank and were 'degraded'. As for bits of rubber band destroying the environment, well, anyone who had the doubtful pleasure of - for decades - sailing past the outfall at the back of the W Pier new about rubber items!

JamesM

neris wrote: »

you,ll have to find an ood who still uses a cannon or anything that goes bang 1st.

We had a Race Officer in Blessington SC who used a shotgun. He refused to use blanks because they could damage the barrels. We seldom had anyone OCS :eek::D