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TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 05:54PM

bumper234 wrote: »

But everyone should always believe the American propaganda machine right?

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction! Ooooops.

How did I know that would be the response...predictable as ever.

The last thing the world needs it some crazy A-rab with his finger on the button.

Karl Stein · 07-09-2013 05:55PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

How did I know that would be the response...predictable as ever.

The last thing the world needs it some crazy A-rab with his finger on the button.

The Iranians are Persian not Arabs.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 05:56PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

The Iranians are Persian not Arabs.

Same difference, in fairness.

bumper234 · 07-09-2013 05:56PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

How did I know that would be the response...predictable as ever.

The last thing the world needs it some crazy A-rab with his finger on the button.

Yeah just put the word terrorist into it and the dumb yank public will fold like tissue paper. Bush had his finger on "the button" for 8 years and that guy was crazier than anyone.

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 05:57PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

And you know all these claims to be fact? How exactly? Because what's what the Iranian minister of propaganda says?

Because they have been able to account for every gram of uranium they have enriched. If any of it was being diverted it would be noticed, it hasn't, none. Even the US accept this. They haven't enriched anything past what is needed for medical devices and a power program, nobody is even disputing this.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 05:59PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Because they have been able to account for every gram of uranium they have enriched. If any of it was being diverted it would be noticed, it hasn't, none. Even the US accept this. They haven't enriched anything past what is needed for medical devices and a power program, nobody is even disputing this.

I am.

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 05:59PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

How did I know that would be the response...predictable as ever.

The last thing the world needs it some crazy A-rab with his finger on the button.

But a crazy Zionist who believes he is the leader of "God's Chosen People" with his finger on the button is ok?

Tell me there Tom, How many countries have Iran attacked in the last 200 years?

Karl Stein · 07-09-2013 06:00PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

Same difference, in fairness.

Yeah they're all brown and wear funny clothes and like to scream 'ALLAHU AKBAR' and 'DEATH TO AMERICA' while firing machine guns into the air.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 06:00PM

Seaneh wrote: »

But a crazy Zionist who believes he is the leader of "God's Chosen People" with his finger on the button is ok?

Tell me there Tom, How many countries have Iran attacked in the last 200 years?

Usual fallback position of attacking the US I see.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 06:01PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

Yeah they're all brown and wear funny clothes and like to scream 'ALLAHU AKBAR' and 'DEATH TO AMERICA' while firing machine guns into the air.

You've seen Argo too?

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 06:01PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

I am.

Based on what evidence?
What do you know that China, Russia, Mossad, the CIA and nuclear inspectors don't?

Courtesy Flush · 07-09-2013 06:01PM

Assad is just a puppet of Iran
The real issue here is the US want to make a statement to Iran, by bombing Syria, that they cannot continue to pursue nuclear weaponisation or that there may be consequences

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 06:02PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Based on what evidence?
What do you know that China, Russia, Mossad, the CIA and nuclear inspectors don't?

Common sense.

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 06:02PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

Usual fallback position of attacking the US I see.

The fact that you think that post was about America proves you are beyond clueless.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 06:04PM

Seaneh wrote: »

The fact that you think that post was about America proves you are beyond clueless.

Fair enough you probably meant Israel. How many times has Israel been attacked by the likes of Syria and Egypt?

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 06:08PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

Fair enough you probably meant Israel. How many times has Israel been attacked by the likes of Syria and Egypt?

What does that have to do with Iran, who haven't attack anyone in over 200 years? Also, how many times have Israel attacked Lebanon and Syria?

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 06:10PM

Seaneh wrote: »

What does that have to do with Iran, who haven't attack anyone in over 200 years? Also, how many times have Israel attacked Lebanon and Syria?

You brought Israel into the thread.

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 06:17PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

You brought Israel into the thread.

You brought up the idea of nuclear weapons in the hands of religious nut jobs, there is only one country that fits the bill in the region. Funnily enough that country has a penchant for using incendiary weapons on civilian population centres but instead of the US trying to punish them, they give them billions in Military "aid".

Micky Dolenz · 07-09-2013 06:19PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

You brought Israel into the thread.

Mod

Don't post in this thread any more please.

theGEM · 07-09-2013 06:29PM

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Assad is just a puppet of Iran
The real issue here is the US want to make a statement to Iran, by bombing Syria, that they cannot continue to pursue nuclear weaponisation or that there may be consequences

And Obama is just a puppet for Saudi Arabia.

Sunni vs Shia
Saudi Arabia vs Iran/Syria
Israel/USA vs Iran/Hezbollah
USA vs Russia

It's a power struggle for the region. Saudi Arabia are pumping vast sums into the civil war funding the sunni rebels. Russia wants to keep their Naval Port in Syria and it has already made pipeline deals with Assad.

dublinbhoy88 · 07-09-2013 06:32PM

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Assad is just a puppet of Iran
The real issue here is the US want to make a statement to Iran, by bombing Syria, that they cannot continue to pursue nuclear weaponisation or that there may be consequences

the USA 'the big bully in the playground of the world'

bumper234 · 07-09-2013 06:34PM

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

the USA 'the big bully in the playground of the world'

They prefer the term "world police".

Durka durka durka Muhammed Jihad.

Karl Stein · 07-09-2013 06:36PM

theGEM wrote: »

And Obama is just a puppet for Saudi Arabia.

Lol.

dublinbhoy88 · 07-09-2013 06:41PM

John Kerry is on TV now spewing out his hypocritical poisin

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 06:45PM

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

John Kerry is on TV now spewing out his hypocritical poisin

The same man who was one of the main antagonist in the abduction of Chavez and failed coup in Venezuela a few years ago.
What a morally upstanding man he is.

My name is URL · 07-09-2013 07:03PM

There was some US mouthpiece on the radio earlier attacking the Russians for using its veto... said it made a mockery of the United Nations. When asked about what he thought about the US's own use of the veto throughout the years, and the countless lives that have been lost or effected as a result he just laughed wryly and continued on his rant.

I wanted to punch the steering wheel. Some of the loons calling for intervention have no idea of their own hypocrisy.

bumper234 · 07-09-2013 07:06PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There was some US mouthpiece on the radio earlier attacking the Russians for using its veto... said it made a mockery of the United Nations. When asked about what he thought about the US's own use of the veto throughout the years, and the countless lives that have been lost or effected as a result he just laughed wryly and continued on his rant.

I wanted to punch the steering wheel. Some of the loons calling for intervention have no idea of their own hypocrisy.

USA do as we say don't do as we do.

SafeSurfer · 07-09-2013 07:26PM

I fully understand the Russian and Chinese position. They were duped into approving a "no fly zone" over Libya in 2011, ostensibly to protect the civilian population. NATO used this UN resolution to effect regime change and topple Gadaffi.

The US, in my opinion is at its weakest point in a generation. The dollar is weak and the economy is only being stabilised by the printing presses through massive quantative easing. Also they have been at war for more than a decade with nothing to show for it. Iraq is back to close to 5000 deaths a month. Afghanistan is a mess. Libya is a mess. N. Korea is still a major threat. The Americans are suffering from imperialist over stretch just as the Romans and British did before them. All this at a time when their allies are faltering.

Of course Russia is going to push to see how the US will react. But they are in an extremely difficult position. Strike Syria in a limited action and it achieves nothing only ridicule. The alternative is strategic long term intervention.

We are witnessing a major challenge to US hegemony.

My own opinion is that we will see a much larger and prolonged intervention in Syria by the US and its regional allies than is anticipated.

What the consequences of this will be are anyone's guess but Iraq and Lebannon at least seem poised to be further dragged into the conflict which could resemble a multi state civil war split along Sunni/Shia lines. Combined with possible Israeli and Iranian involvement.

It is a very dangerous situation.

donegal__road · 07-09-2013 10:10PM

tiger55 wrote: »

Excellent video about the unfolding situation in Syria

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-syrian-war-what-youre-not-being-told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

cheers for posting this, I finally got a chance to watch it last night, its well put together.

Here is one that will interest you.. its from the American presidential debate 2012, it speaks for itself really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJPxmAi2diU

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czx · 08-09-2013 04:31AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I fully understand the Russian and Chinese position.

what position is that?

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