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jank

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ORIGINAL THREAD TITLE - Do We Care About Syria

Obviously not as I have heard or seen very on boards or other Irish websites about the chemical attack that has killed over 1,300 people two days ago.
Can we expect the creme de la creme of the Irish anti-war movement to do something about this? Eh.. no they are too busy asking for Bradley Manning to be released.
http://irishantiwar.org/view/events

Howard Juneau

Perhaps type Syria into the boards.ie searchbar & see what threads appear. Everything from pic threads, to discussions on gases used to whether or not it's just a conspiracy. Whatever your viewpoint, there are plenty of threads on it

RachaelVO

I do care but I can't look at the pics, they're heart wrenching!

I Heart Internet

It's a tragedy.

What do you propose we do to stop the slaughter OP? (Genuine question)

Fratton Fred

jank wrote: »

Obviously not as I have heard or seen very on boards or other Irish websites about the chemical attack that has killed over 1,300 people two days ago.
Can we expect the creme de la creme of the Irish anti-war movement to do something about this? Eh.. no they are too busy asking for Bradley Manning to be released.
http://irishantiwar.org/view/events

But they weren't killed in a drone attack, so there's nothing wrong.....right?

pablomakaveli

I care and those pictures are horrifying and heart-breaking to see but in regards to who's responsible for what in Syria i take everything with a pinch of salt now.

Both sides in these conflict have done some terrible things and both are trying their best to paint the other as the bad guy.

Gee Bag

Fratton Fred wrote: »

But they weren't killed in a drone attack, so there's nothing wrong.....right?

Boo hoo! Sniffle....

Why is everyone picking on poor little NATO?

tricky D

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I care and those pictures are horrifying and heart-breaking to see but in regards to who's responsible for what in Syria i take everything with a pinch of salt now.

Both sides in these conflict have done some terrible things and both are trying their best to paint the other as the bad guy.

The propaganda has become deafening and has drowned out decent objective analysis. Bizarrely the upshot, if the propaganda is to be believed and acted on, will be the West getting into bed with those who want to destroy the West, despite previous lessons.

Here's a different take on the recent attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSAMT5Pe15k

SEPT 23 1989

I am sick of the whole middle east

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Obviously not as I have heard or seen very on boards or other Irish websites about the chemical attack that has killed over 1,300 people two days ago.
Can we expect the creme de la creme of the Irish anti-war movement to do something about this? Eh.. no they are too busy asking for Bradley Manning to be released.
http://irishantiwar.org/view/events

...they never mention West Papua either. I guess they're just heartless.

jimgoose

Well I for one think the situation is very serious indeed - of the utmost seriousness, in fact. I vote we send all our highly-skilled and insightful politicians over there right now to give those naughty A-rabs and whatever-the-other-crowd-are-c'mon-the-winner a severe talking-to.

the drifter

No

wes

The thread seems like a thinly veiled attack on certain groups of people, and would wager that the op is more concerned with taking a shot at these people, as opposed to any genuine concern for events in Syria.

If there was genuine concern for event in Syria, then there would be no pot shots taken at other people, who dare to be concerned about other horrible things happening in the world.

I, for one, am appalled by the OPs, complete lack of concern for events between Pakistan and India, in recent days, with tension rising over Kashmir (yet again).......... or maybe the OPs lack of concern for the Rohinga, the Tibetan, and any number of issues that the OP probably hasn't shown sufficient concern about in public......

Mr. CooL ICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKSJc2YFPrs

wendell borton

Hard to know what's going on in syria and the agendas of the combatants, except that civilians are suffering.
The best solution at the moment seems to be a Assad victory, devil you know and all that.

Mr Benevolent

Nope. Next Muslim crisis, please.

Oh wait, I forgot about Egypt. Looks like we're all stocked up with militant religious crazies for now.

Wabbit Ears

There is nothing at all I can do or care enough to bother doing about what happening in Syria so I just filter it out and carry on with my first world life and first world problems

pablomakaveli

tricky D wrote: »

The propaganda has become deafening and has drowned out decent objective analysis. Bizarrely the upshot, if the propaganda is to be believed and acted on, will be the West getting into bed with those who want to destroy the West, despite previous lessons.

Well so far the various stories i've read regarding this attack are that al-assads forces carried out the attack, that it was a false flag attack by rebels, that rebels have been hiding out in civilian areas using the civilians as human shields and so on.

It's because of all this uncertainty that i can't see any foregin military intervention because the rebels seem as dubious as al-assads forces and countries are getting increasingly reluctant to get involved with the rebels.

I'd hope we'll see a neutral UN force sent in to try and protect the civilians from both sides of the conflict but i can see Russia vetoing that on the security council.

arybvtcw0eolkf

jank wrote: »

Obviously not as I have heard or seen very on boards or other Irish websites about the chemical attack that has killed over 1,300 people two days ago.
Can we expect the creme de la creme of the Irish anti-war movement to do something about this? Eh.. no they are too busy asking for Bradley Manning to be released.
http://irishantiwar.org/view/events

I suspect some of people are tired of war in the middle east and Persia.

Some care when its on TV and thrust into their living rooms but forget about it two minutes later ~ same happened during the war in this country.

And a lot are on the 'anti everything USA & Israe bandwagonl, they're blinded by their hatred of these two countries and can't see past that.

And sadly this covers almost everyone from all groups;

When Christian kills and Arab its a crusade.
When a Jew kills and Arab is a massacre.
But when an Arab kills an Arab no one gives a sh*t.

Seaneh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

But they weren't killed in a drone attack, so there's nothing wrong.....right?

No they were killed by a home made rocket filled with what appears to have been industrial chemicals fired from inside a rebel held area.

But despite the fact that it was a home made rocket, didn't use mustard or nerve gas and didn't come from an Assad held area you have all the usual hawks and media sources foaming at the mouth calling for military intervention from the west.


All of the evidence here points to the rebels attacking a rebel held residential area to try and blame Assad and pull in the west because they are losing more and more support and more and more of the country every week.

Toby Take a Bow

Yahir Shaggy Peg wrote: »

I suspect some of people are tired of war in the middle east and Persia.

As someone else stated, there have been plenty of threads on it, the OP seems to just be making a point that occasionally comes out regarding a supposed lefty bias in favour of the Palestinians.

But there is usually more of a reaction when something happens in Israel or America, I grant you that. But I think this is more because we know (or think we know) more about the histories of these countries (and all the divisions etc) than Syria, undergoing a civil war that can't be grasped without knowledge of all the things that have gone on in its recent past (and beyond) and all the associated religious and ethnic divisions.

paddy147

wendell borton wrote: »

Hard to know what's going on in syria and the agendas of the combatants, except that civilians are suffering.
The best solution at the moment seems to be a Assad victory, devil you know and all that.

I can kind of understand that.

Iraq post Saddam ----Fcuked up
Libya post Gaddafi

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Fcuked ip
Eygpt post Mubarack---Fcuked up

1ZRed

wes wrote: »

The thread seems like a thinly veiled attack on certain groups of people, and would wager that the op is more concerned with taking a shot at these people, as opposed to any genuine concern for events in Syria.

If there was genuine concern for event in Syria, then there would be no pot shots taken at other people, who dare to be concerned about other horrible things happening in the world.

I, for one, am appalled by the OPs, complete lack of concern for events between Pakistan and India, in recent days, with tension rising over Kashmir (yet again).......... or maybe the OPs lack of concern for the Rohinga, the Tibetan, and any number of issues that the OP probably hasn't shown sufficient concern about in public......

Are they still fighting over jumpers?

Cody Pomeray

jank wrote: »

Obviously not as I have heard or seen very on boards or other Irish websites about the chemical attack that has killed over 1,300 people two days ago.
Can we expect the creme de la creme of the Irish anti-war movement to do something about this? Eh.. no they are too busy asking for Bradley Manning to be released.
http://irishantiwar.org/view/events

Are you seriously using the chemical weapons attack as a tactic in what seems to be your own personal issue with the anti-war movement? The last time i saw your name you were trawling the socialist party's website or something for the same kind of thing, to use it against Richard Boyd Barrett. Bit warped isn't it.

Jonny7

Seaneh wrote: »

But despite the fact that it was a home made rocket, didn't use mustard or nerve gas and didn't come from an Assad held area you have all the usual hawks and media sources foaming at the mouth calling for military intervention from the west.

What's the source on this?

wes

1ZRed wrote: »

Are they still fighting over jumpers?

Yes, Pakistan insist they should be green, while India insist on saffron.

Seaneh

Jonny7 wrote: »

What's the source on this?

Watching ITV news today and they had a former military advisor to the bush regime and a chemical weapons expert. both confirmed that the victims didn't look like they'd been killed by nerve gas and the evidence they'd seen of the rocket pointed to a crude home made device.

They also pointed out that if it was a nerve gas attack that medics treating the victims would be dropping like flies by now from exposure to residual gas in the hair and clothes of the victims.

Every source I've read so from weapons experts and chemists have said that the gas or gasses used were more than likely industrial and not nerve agents.

Seaneh

There is also this NYTimes article stating there is no evidence of a chemical attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?pagewanted=all

jam_mac_jam

Seaneh wrote: »

There is also this NYTimes article stating there is no evidence of a chemical attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?pagewanted=all

Did you read it or just the headline, as that's not really what it says...

DarkJager

Seaneh wrote: »

Watching ITV news today and they had a former military advisor to the bush regime and a chemical weapons expert. both confirmed that the victims didn't look like they'd been killed by nerve gas and the evidence they'd seen of the rocket pointed to a crude home made device.

They also pointed out that if it was a nerve gas attack that medics treating the victims would be dropping like flies by now from exposure to residual gas in the hair and clothes of the victims.

Every source I've read so from weapons experts and chemists have said that the gas or gasses used were more than likely industrial and not nerve agents.

They had a chemical weapons expert on Sky News this morning who believes it could have been Sarin gas. He said the reactions in the video (dilated pupils and convulsions) would be symptomatic of this. The device itself would have been planned to only affect a specific area and the gas would disperse quickly afterwards. Suppose nobody will know the truth for some time yet.

Seaneh

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Did you read it or just the headline, as that's not really what it says...

Yes, I read the article, obviously.