SYRIA WAR MEGATHREAD - Mod Note First Post

tdv123 · 07-09-2013 01:18AM

Looks like it's time to send the Irish army in to do some peacekeeping between the Americans, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Syrians, Israelis, British, Germans, Japanese, North Koreans, South Koreans, Italians, Egyptians etc...

Nonoperational · 07-09-2013 01:20AM

Is Syria the end game?

No.

Canis Lupus · 07-09-2013 01:23AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No Putin said he'll arm Syria to the teeth if the strike goes ahead. And would put in a missile shield to protect Syria if the situation warrants it. Four Russian warships have set sail to Syria in the last two weeks. Some says there is military equipment for Syria on board. Putin is not pulling back from Syria at all.

The last I read Russia have suspended a shipment of anti-air missile systems and have no stated they could potentially support action against Syria so I don't think you're right there and should probably relax a little.

anncoates · 07-09-2013 01:27AM

As somebody that was reared during the 80s cold war, I find all this posturing between Russia and the US a bit wishy-washy and passive aggressive.

I wish Putin would just have a bit too much to drink and threaten to wipe out the US eastern seaboard and bash rabidly on a podium like the old days.

Also there seems to be no decent music with a cold war theme at the minute. You couldn't really imagine dreary, enervated shite pipes like The Script or fucking One Direction writing a song like Two Tribes, can you?

Gee Bag · 07-09-2013 01:32AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is the most serious international crisis we have had since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962

My arse it is. The Americans and the Russians are engaged in a willy waving competition.

The yanks will bomb Syria for a few days. They'll target a few government buildings which the Syrians (if they have any sense) will have vacated as they have had 2-3 weeks advance notice. Having made their point the yanks will back off because they really couldn't give a flying fvck.

The Russians will talk tough but ultimatley they will do nothing because in reality they couldn't give a flying fvck about Syria

After that the war will drag on and lots more people will die.

ted1 · 07-09-2013 01:38AM

Putin is losing it and Russia is regression into a paranoid state.
It's beginning to get really interesting, and I do believe the **** is about to hit the fan. Americas support of Isreal is going to be tested and the modern super powers are going to have a real good old fashioned game of chicken

Riddle101 · 07-09-2013 01:39AM

As crazy as this sounds I actually think this is a good thing. Russia standing in the way to stop a strike on Syria from the US. American and Russian warships close to each other. This acts as a deterrent to war more because it creates a stalemate between the two major powers. The US is not going to risk a war with Russian and I don't think Russia would want to risk a war with the US. So it creates a buffer. Hopefully Russia stands their ground on this, it may stop the US from invading, and starting WWIII.

Gee Bag · 07-09-2013 01:41AM

ted1 wrote: »

Putin is losing it and Russia is regression into a paranoid Zionist state.

What exactly do you think zionist means?

anncoates · 07-09-2013 01:42AM

anncoates wrote: »

Also there seems to be no decent music with a cold war theme at the minute. You couldn't really imagine dreary, enervated shite pipes like The Script or fucking One Direction writing a song like Two Tribes, can you?

Actually I just realized that could lay the grounds for a re-release of Russiansby Sting.

I retract.

Femme_Fatale · 07-09-2013 01:44AM

anncoates wrote: »

Actually I just realized that could lay the grounds for a re-release of Russiansby Sting.

I gotta say I fecking love that song!

Karl Stein · 07-09-2013 01:45AM

anncoates wrote: »

I wish Putin would just have a bit too much to drink and threaten to wipe out the US eastern seaboard

Putin is no potential species extinction causing ....

My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

... Ronald Reagan.

As much as we'd like the Russian administration to be as fucking insane as past & present US ones, we'll probably never see it.

igorbiscan · 07-09-2013 01:49AM

Royal Irish wrote: »

The Chinese have warships off the coast of Syria also and the United Nations think they are delivering Assad a takeaway.

mmmmm.......SPRING Rolls...........:o
aaaaagggggghhhhhh........

anncoates · 07-09-2013 01:50AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I gotta say I fecking love that song!

Cold war retroism fetish alert. :pac:

Highflyer13 · 07-09-2013 02:01AM

To qoute Albert Einstein ' I do not know with what weapons world war 3 will be fought but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones'. He's essentially saying we're gonna nuke ourselves back to the stone age I think.

Interesting conflict in the Middle East and I wouldn't underestimate the tensions there.

redtapestyl · 07-09-2013 02:26AM

I thought fluoride was going to kill us all, or something.

Cheerful Spring · 07-09-2013 02:45AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

The last I read Russia have suspended a shipment of anti-air missile systems and have no stated they could potentially support action against Syria so I don't think you're right there and should probably relax a little.

Are you that naive? Do you honestly believe Russia has stopped arming Syria for war against the US?

The Americans are giving weapons to the rebels to fight the Assad regime. So there is no valid reason for Russia to stop arming the Syria-Assad regime when this is carrying on the other side.

Four military ships belonging to Russia (one ship carrying "special" cargo) set sail to the Syrian area in the last week or so. This is a major buildup of Russian naval power in that region, for what purpose?

They've already three or four military ships in that area already patrollng and watching what is going on. Russia, truly doesn't need to send that number of ships. They must be preparing for all contingencies and be supplying weapon systems and expertise to the Assad government.

What do you think is going to happen when America hits Syria. And i don't think its decided yet. The US congress may yet vote against Obama and he would be under enormous pressure from the American people to stop the Syrian strike. Lets say he does go ahead anyway? The first country to be retaliated against would be Israel? Syria and Iran will have to do something to someone, don't you think? ..

Then Israel goes nuts and we have a major regional war. Russia may defend Syria against an Israel attack? There is so many possibilities of disaster awaiting here and its not at all clear to me at this time how it will go what direction it will take.

The Russian siding with Assad, is the game changer for me, it has changed the dynamic. I think Putin may go too far and Obama also. So be prepared for nothing to happen and be just as equally prepared for something to go terribly wrong.

The Backwards Man · 07-09-2013 02:56AM

It's hard to beat a bit of melodramatic scaremongering before bed-time.

There will be no 'end game' over Syria, or any other Middle Eastern country. Ever. Both sides have too little to gain, too much to lose. Hell, they're not even on different sides anymore, Russia and the US are like FF and FG.

Canis Lupus · 07-09-2013 03:01AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Are you that naive? Do you honestly believe Russia has stopped arming Syria for war against the US?

The Americans are giving weapons to the rebels to fight the Assad regime. So there is no valid reason for Russia to stop arming the Syria-Assad regime when this is carrying on the other side.

Four military ships belonging to Russia (one ship carrying "special" cargo) set sail to the Syrian area in the last week or so. This is a major buildup of Russian naval power in that region, for what purpose?

They've already three or four military ships in that area already patrollng and watching what is going on. Russia, truly doesn't need to send that number of ships. They must be preparing for all contingencies and be supplying weapon systems and expertise to the Assad government.

What do you think is going to happen when America hits Syria. And i don't think its decided yet. The US congress may yet vote against Obama and he would be under enormous pressure from the American people to stop the Syrian strike. Lets say he does go ahead anyway? The first country to be retaliated against would be Israel? Syria and Iran will have to do something to someone, don't you think? ..

Then Israel goes nuts and we have a major regional war. Russia may defend Syria against an Israel attack? There is so many possibilities of disaster awaiting here and its not at all clear to me at this time how it will go what direction it will take.

The Russian siding with Assad, is the game changer for me, it has changed the dynamic. I think Putin may go too far and Obama also. So be prepared for nothing to happen and be just as equally prepared for something to go terribly wrong.

I think nothing will happen IF the US bombs Syria.

FISMA · 07-09-2013 03:07AM

corkgsxr wrote: »

Unless iv missed something Russia is basically turning its back on Syria

?

They sent in "advisers" not long ago, have ships nearby, and are currently deploying more.

Doesn't sound like they are turning their back at all.

force eleven · 07-09-2013 03:10AM

Remember the joker in the pack is Israel . Israel wishes to end Irans nuclear capability and has said that red lines have been drawn. have those lines been crossed? If they use a punitive strike on Syria as an opportunity to do so, then all bets are off. And they can certainly do it.

Royal Irish · 07-09-2013 03:21AM

I thought Russia had a naval base in Syria and have done for decades.

Overheal · 07-09-2013 03:27AM

Syria? The endgame?

No.

Not at all.

I don't really feel like making jokes at this. It was a question, and Im tired, so I'll just answer.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was the brink, because Russia was poised to gain a First Strike capability. Without making a research-paper sized essay of this post .. nowadays, the nuclear powers are in a state of Mutually Assured Destruction. It is in nobody's interest to use nuclear weapons. Its more likely that the USA/Russia/China would much prefer to conduct conventional warfare if they have to conduct warfare whatsoever. But truthfully those powers won't war because when a power decides it's lost or will lose, it won't care, and it's going to push the button. Since they're already destroyed, they will have nothing to lose. For an external intervention scenario such as say, Syria, or Vietnam, or Korea, they're much more in fancy of carrying out a proxy war to flex their muscles against each other.

The truth is the major powers won't go to war until something catastrophic happens or someone goes and nullifies the effect of nuclear weaponry. But delivery systems will evolve as much as deterrence systems will, so don't be too worried. You have better chances of dying on the way to buy milk, or death by asteroid.

MonaPizza · 07-09-2013 03:34AM

corkgsxr wrote: »

Unless iv missed something Russia is basically turning its back on Syria

It isn't. America has painted itself into a corner. Nobody believes or gives a sh1t about the US anymore.
In fact nobody gives a sh1t about fake chemical weapons and the fake crocodile tears from Washington.

ArseLtd · 07-09-2013 03:03PM

In a nutshell Syria and Iran sell oil in euros. The US needs (ie can only let oil be sold in dollars) a monopoly on oil so they can print as many dollars as they want and its value will stay high enough that they can continue colonialism. Also Iran and Syria are aware of the illegal state of Israel, which was founded after ww2 and put millions of Palestinians out of their homes.

I'd love to see the US been told to feck off by Russia and Iran, this along with their loss of Edward Snowden and the waking of the masses to the truth will really put the bully back a few steps. Of course the loss of life in Syria is heart wrenching especially chemicals attacks by the US backed rebels.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=601729379895040&set=a.217603604974288.57691.217514361649879&type=1&theater

WakeUp · 07-09-2013 04:17PM

According to the US, they intercepted a message from Iran to militants in Iraq instructing them to attack American interests when the bombs start falling upon Syria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/us-iran-syria_n_3877515.html
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/iran-threatens-brutal-attacks-on-americans-obama-family-if-us-hits-syria/

Americans starting to evacuate embassy staff from Lebanon instructing people to stay away and for Americans already there to start making plans to leave.

http://jordantimes.com/us-embassy-in-lebanon-evacuating-non-essential-staff

Tehran via Damascus, maybe. They cant be that crazy surely.

Seaneh · 07-09-2013 04:22PM

force eleven wrote: »

Remember the joker in the pack is Israel . Israel wishes to end Irans nuclear capability and has said that red lines have been drawn. have those lines been crossed? If they use a punitive strike on Syria as an opportunity to do so, then all bets are off. And they can certainly do it.

Iran doesn't have and isn't trying to acquire "Nuclear capabilities". They haven't enriched anywhere near the level needed to make a bomb. None of their uranium has been diverted from the civilian program despite American and Israeli scaremongering.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 04:37PM

I'm always weary of these A-rab countries.

TommiesTank · 07-09-2013 05:41PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Iran doesn't have and isn't trying to acquire "Nuclear capabilities". They haven't enriched anywhere near the level needed to make a bomb. None of their uranium has been diverted from the civilian program despite American and Israeli scaremongering.

And you know all these claims to be fact? How exactly? Because what's what the Iranian minister of propaganda says?

bumper234 · 07-09-2013 05:49PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

And you know all these claims to be fact? How exactly? Because what's what the Iranian minister of propaganda says?

But everyone should always believe the American propaganda machine right?

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction! Ooooops.

Karl Stein · 07-09-2013 05:53PM

TommiesTank wrote: »

And you know all these claims to be fact? How exactly?

Israeli and US intelligence actually.

The nuclear issue is a bogeyman used as an excuse to try to stymie the development of Iran as a regional power.

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