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Wentworth Miller declines Russian Film Festival Invite

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    #32
    anncoates
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    It's been heavily rumored that Wentworth Miller was in fact gay himself for years now.

    Of course he is.

    He's called Wentworth.


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    #33
    Lapin
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    Don't be getting so touchy lads.

    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.

    Don't get the hump when others disagree with you on After Hours.

    I am disgusted and appauled with the manner that the government and police in Russia handle various human rights issues.


    But I think the request by Fry and the action by Wentworth are insulting to many others.

    Don't come on to After Hours and expect everyone to agree with you.


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    #34
    Femme_Fatale
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    token101 wrote: »
    I'd be willing to bet there's a good proportion of people who are vociferous in this whole campaign to boycott Russia would happily trot off on holidays to far more oppressive places like Dubai and Qatar.
    True. But it's part of the human condition not to be 100% consistent though. If we were to place that restriction on ourselves most of us would never speak out about anything. I agree with you on the UAE and the like though.


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    #35
    Clandestine
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    efb wrote: »
    Not from what I saw. can you give me examples of RT's Western liberal viewpoint?
    Have you been on their website? Every article I've read from them about this new law they've passed has been very neutral. I personally think they give western voices over Russian voices more attention, but maybe thats just me.
    http://rt.com/news/stephen-fry-sochi-gay-propaganda-190/
    http://rt.com/news/russia-olympics-gay-law-948/
    http://rt.com/news/russia-gay-law-myths-951/


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    #36
    Amirani
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    Lapin wrote: »
    Don't be getting so touchy lads.

    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.

    Don't get the hump when others disagree with you on After Hours.

    I am disgusted and appauled with the manner that the government and police in Russia handle various human rights issues.


    But I think the request by Fry and the action by Wentworth are insulting to many others.

    Don't come on to After Hours and expect everyone to agree with you.

    I didn't take any issue with your disagreement, merely your claim that "most" people shared your disagreement.


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    #37
    Pai Mei
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    Lapin wrote: »
    Don't be getting so touchy lads.

    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.

    Don't get the hump when others disagree with you on After Hours.

    I am disgusted and appauled with the manner that the government and police in Russia handle various human rights issues.


    But I think the request by Fry and the action by Wentworth are insulting to many others.

    Don't come on to After Hours and expect everyone to agree with you.


    The only people they could be insulting are those with similar views to the Russians and I couldn't give a fcuk if it insults them


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    #38
    Femme_Fatale
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    Lapin wrote: »
    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.
    How are people doing that?
    Don't get the hump when others disagree with you on After Hours.
    There isn't really disagreement with what you said, seeing as you didn't really say anything. People were just wondering what the point of it was, as well as questioning how you can speak for most of the rest of us.
    But I think the request by Fry and the action by Wentworth are insulting to many others.
    Fair enough, you're only saying that now though - at least there's more substance to it than "I don't care".
    Personally, Stephen Fry's stupid quote about people who take offence makes it harder for me to take him seriously, but otherwise, what's insulting about what he and Wentworth Miller are doing?


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    #39
    Lucas Castroman
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    Prison Break???...Surely he'd miss all the shower action


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    #40
    efb
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    Lapin wrote: »
    Don't be getting so touchy lads.

    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.

    Don't get the hump when others disagree with you on After Hours.

    I am disgusted and appauled with the manner that the government and police in Russia handle various human rights issues.


    But I think the request by Fry and the action by Wentworth are insulting to many others.

    Don't come on to After Hours and expect everyone to agree with you.

    I dont but your blasé response was called into question, dont come to After Hours and expect not to be challenged on your statements.


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    #41
    efb
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    Have you been on their website? Every article I've read from them about this new law they've passed has been very neutral. I personally think they give western voices over Russian voices more attention, but maybe thats just me.
    http://rt.com/news/stephen-fry-sochi-gay-propaganda-190/
    http://rt.com/news/russia-olympics-gay-law-948/
    http://rt.com/news/russia-gay-law-myths-951/

    I wouldn't say thats neutral at all. I'd call it very selective.


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    #42
    StewartGriffin
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    And others are entitled to express the opinion that it's a stupid pointless thing to post. Especially one speaking for "most of the rest of us".

    I disagree. To declare that you do not care is a legitimate comment, look at any opinion poll and see the number of "undecideds" and interpret many of those as "don't cares" (Do you want FF or FG in the next Gov? I don't care, cos they are both the same). I suppose the most relevant comments are the ones who declare WHY they don't care.


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    #43
    token101
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    True. But it's part of the human condition not to be 100% consistent though. If we were to place that restriction on ourselves most of us would never speak out about anything. I agree with you on the UAE and the like though.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't speak out. What I'm saying is that earlier poster was right when he said that most people don't care in any meaningful way and are only backing this whole thing because it's the latest cause celebre and Stephen Fry's behind it.


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    #44
    cheesefiend
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    I know this is just an anecdote and isn't evidence of anything but could explain why there isn't more conversation in Russia. My friend is from Russia, she's fairly well read, keeps up to date with Russian news, talks to her parents everyday on the phone and when I mentioned the controversy surrounding Russia's stance on homosexuality and the Winter Olympics she had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.

    She told me that they barely report bad news and that if there was any kind of disturbance in Moscow, be it a crazed gunman or anything negative she wouldn't hear about it in the news. Her family in Armania would, more often than not, be the ones informing them of what happened. The level of propaganda just seems outrageous. I suppose it's not news to anyone else but it surprised me.


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    #45
    efb
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    token101 wrote: »
    I'd be willing to bet there's a good proportion of people who are vociferous in this whole campaign to boycott Russia would happily trot off on holidays to far more oppressive places like Dubai and Qatar.

    i wouldn't.


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    #46
    efb
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    token101 wrote: »
    I'm not saying people shouldn't speak out. What I'm saying is that earlier poster was right when he said that most people don't care in any meaningful way and are only backing this whole thing because it's the latest cause celebre and Stephen Fry's behind it.

    Or because it means something to them.


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    #47
    Karl Stein
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    Lapin wrote: »
    If you want to discuss LGBT issues with universal back slapping support for each other, there are forums for that.

    It's under the 'equality umbrella'.

    Well done though. You've defaced the first page telling everyone how little you care.


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    #48
    Lapin
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    Pai Mei wrote: »
    The only people they could be insulting are those with similar views to the Russians and I couldn't give a fcuk if it insults them

    So Fry's letter to Cameron wasn't an insult to the hundreds of athletes who have trained for years to participate in the Winter Olympics ?
    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    How are people doing that?

    There isn't really disagreement with what you said, seeing as you didn't really say anything. People were just wondering what the point of it was, as well as questioning how you can speak for most of the rest of us.

    My initial point was a brief response to the OP (whose posts on boards I love and respect by the way). But I don't think anyone can simply come on here, post an equally brief comment with a link and expect everyone to nod in agreement with him.
    efb wrote: »
    I dont but your blasé response was called into question, dont come to After Hours and expect not to be challenged on your statements.

    I'm always happy to accept a challenge. Especially on After Hours.


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    #49
    efb
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    Lapin wrote: »
    So Fry's letter to Cameron wasn't an insult to the hundreds of athletes who have trained for years to participate in the Winter Olympics ?



    My initial point was a brief response to the OP (whose post I love and respect by the way). But I don't think anyone can simply come on here, post an wqually brief comment with a lionk and expect everyone to nod in agreement with him.



    I'm always happy to accept a challenge. Especially on After Hours.

    Where is my expectation of agreement???


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    #50
    Pai Mei
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    Lapin wrote: »
    So Fry's letter to Cameron wasn't an insult to the hundreds of athletes who have trained for years to participate in the Winter Olympics ?.


    Well I don't know what that was I was more referring to "Wentworth's actions" as you stated them being insulting. How is not going to a country where he is discriminated against and people like him beaten up "insulting"??


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    #51
    Femme_Fatale
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    Pai Mei wrote: »
    How is not going to a country where he is discriminated against and people like him beaten up "insulting"??
    Aye. Bit of a strange one to focus on as the "insulting" one.

    Yeh I'm not seeing where people are demonstrating how they only expect agreement and get ass-hurt when disagreed with. :confused:

    Whatever celebs get behind this, I don't care. So long as there's awareness and the potential to put pressure on those who enforce this.


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    #52
    efb
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    I believe Fry suggested Vancouver as the alternate venue for the Olympics, not for them to be cancelled.


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    #53
    Nichololas
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    Holy ****. He looks amazing for 41.


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    #54
    efb
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    Nichololas wrote: »
    Holy ****. He looks amazing for 41.

    I know.


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    #55
    Pai Mei
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    Nichololas wrote: »
    Holy ****. He looks amazing for 41.


    Sorry, hands off :D


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    #56
    Jimoslimos
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    efb wrote: »
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/wentworth-miller-prison-break-star-comes-out-as-gay-declinin

    Fair play to Wentworth.
    Whilst the stand is the correct one to make (and the letter was well-written indeed), it has to be viewed in the context of Miller himself being gay. There's a certain degree of (understandable) self-preservation at play here. If I were in his shoes I probably wouldn't run the risk of being imprisoned over there. In fact by not travelling these new laws are having their desired effect - the suppression of free speech.

    What is needed is for other actors and actresses (of all sexualities) to protest against the laws in Russia, akin to what a number of athletes at the recent World Championships did. Even small gestures can make a big impact and hopefully stir larger, more powerful organisations into action (IOC and FIFA - I'm looking at you).


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    #57
    token101
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Whatever celebs get behind this, I don't care. So long as there's awareness and the potential to put pressure on those who enforce this.

    There's no potential for it to go anywhere because it's a niche campaign and it'll fade to nothing eventually just like the human rights stuff did in Beijing in 2008, because deep down, not many, or enough, people cared.

    There were 1300 people gassed to death in one day in Syria yesterday and there's still no agreement between US/Britain and Russia on how to proceed. They can't agree because they are afraid of disjointing ties with Cold War allies. Do you really believe that David Cameron has any intention of upsetting diplomatic ties with Russia, a nuclear power, over laws surrounding gay people?

    If people really cared they start boycotting anything to do with the Olympics, FIFA and their sponsors for bringing their products to these regions. Will that happen? I wouldn't hold my breath!


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    #58
    DarkJager
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    Cathal Cloch wrote: »
    It's under the 'equality umbrella'.

    Well done though. You've defaced the first page telling everyone how little you care.

    I agree with him, I simply could not give a ****.


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    #59
    Femme_Fatale
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    I always find when I don't give a **** about something I just don't read or post to the thread.


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    efb
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    I always find when I don't give a **** about something I just don't read or post to the thread.

    I'm sure an opinion can be teased out eventually. If they really didnt care they wouldnt post. What drew them to the topic?


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    #61
    keith16
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    I always find when I don't give a **** about something I just don't read or post to the thread.

    Sometimes I do. I need it to be known that I just don't care and that is a valid response in many cases.

    Like when someone mentions that Stephen Fry has farted, they need to be told it's something I don't care about.


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