Match Thread - Mayo v Tyrone - All Ireland Football Semi-Final

Fr Tod Umptious

Well with the hurling over I now think it's time for this.

Mayo are Connaught Champions having beaten Galway, Roscommon and London and beat Donegal in the Quarter Final

Tyrone lost their Ulster championship quarter final game to Donegal and since then have beaten Offaly, Roscommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan

To be honest I cannot see anything but a Mayo win
In a nut shell I do not think that Tyrone have the forwards that can cope with the physicality of the Mayo defence and do not have the backs to handle Mayo attack.

manofwisdom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

do not have the backs to handle Mayo attack.

Since the defeat to Donegal in Ulster Tyrone have conceded 0-8,1-7,0-12,2-9 and 0-12. consistent defending but clearly this game is a step up from the last four games.

Looking at Mayos attack and selecting the six likely forwards to start this game and what they have scored in the championship thus far.


Alan Freeman 1-9 (0-3 frees)
Alan Dillon 0-5
Cillan O'Connor 6-13 ( 9 frees and penalty)
Kevin McLoughlin 0-8 ( 5 frees)
Andy Moran 1-3
Richie Feeney 0-3

O'Connor stands out with the six goals scored and hard to believe before this year his only championship goal was against Kerry in 2011 semi final.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I do not think that Tyrone have the forwards that can cope with the physicality of the Mayo defence

I don't think so either nor are they scoring enough. Mayo should win this game though it should be closer contest than Mayos last four games.

Fr Tod Umptious

manofwisdom wrote: »

Since the defeat to Donegal in Ulster Tyrone have conceded 0-8,1-7,0-12,2-9 and 0-12. consistent defending but clearly this game is a step up from the last four games.

Looking at Mayos attack and selecting the six likely forwards to start this game and what they have scored in the championship thus far.


Alan Freeman 1-9 (0-3 frees)
Alan Dillon 0-5
Cillan O'Connor 6-13 ( 9 frees and penalty)
Kevin McLoughlin 0-8 ( 5 frees)
Andy Moran 1-3
Richie Feeney 0-3

O'Connor stands out with the six goals scored and hard to believe before this year his only championship goal was against Kerry in 2011 semi final.

Not to mention the 2-10 they have got from Keegan, Vaughan and Boyle.

Prop Joe

Can't see Mayo losing this one but that's when Mickey Harte's men are most dangerous

I'd line Mayo out as follows


K O'Malley
T Cunniffe
G Cafferkey
C Boyle
L Keegan
R Feeney
K Higgins - Follow Joe McMahon back when he goes to play sweeper and push him up the field

D Vaughan - 3 Across the middle with Vaughan marking Cavanagh,Vaughan's Pace,Fitness and general attacking ability should keep big Sean honest
S O'Shea
A O Shea

K McLoughlin
A Dillon
C O'Connor
A Freeman
A Moran

The_Kew_Tour

Like Dublin I think Mayo will win by about 4-6 points

corny

Mayo will win simply because they are way more mobile than the team they're facing. That'll translate into a very comfortable 6-10 point win.

JoeCole26

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yop

Mayo SHOULD win, though Limericks defeat goes to show how you can't ever be certain.
10-15 mins should be vital, if we take a lead of 3 or 4 points in that period then I would expect us to come out with a 5 or 6 point win. We have avg of 15 point winning margin this season, can't see anywhere near that this match.
Tyrone go ahead by a couple of points and it will be interesting to see what we can do. Saw the Ros v Tyrone match and Rossies would kick themselves for not beating them.

Ticket got there now, section 305

Fowler87

yop wrote: »

Mayo SHOULD win, though Limericks defeat goes to show how you can't ever be certain.
10-15 mins should be vital, if we take a lead of 3 or 4 points in that period then I would expect us to come out with a 5 or 6 point win. We have avg of 15 point winning margin this season, can't see anywhere near that this match.
Tyrone go ahead by a couple of points and it will be interesting to see what we can do. Saw the Ros v Tyrone match and Rossies would kick themselves for not beating them.

Ticket got there now, section 305

Same as that in the cusack lower. Great seats

yop

Fowler87 wrote: »

Same as that in the cusack lower. Great seats

Mine are better than yours though.

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

Mayo SHOULD win, though Limericks defeat goes to show how you can't ever be certain.
10-15 mins should be vital, if we take a lead of 3 or 4 points in that period then I would expect us to come out with a 5 or 6 point win. We have avg of 15 point winning margin this season, can't see anywhere near that this match.
Tyrone go ahead by a couple of points and it will be interesting to see what we can do. Saw the Ros v Tyrone match and Rossies would kick themselves for not beating them.

Ticket got there now, section 305

Yes you can never be certain but it would take a major loss of current form from Mayo to loose this one.
They come in with lots of momentum, they have played well all year and there is no reason to suggest they will have a sudden dip this close to getting to a final.
They need to keep their heads though and not allow Tyrone to dictate any part of the game.
A bit like the Roscommon game if Tyrone come out of the blocks early I think Mayo have the defensive presence to withstand them and then take control.
If Mayo come out of the blocks fast like they have done then it's over before it even starts.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yes you can never be certain but it would take a major loss of current form from Mayo to loose this one.
They come in with lots of momentum, they have played well all year and there is no reason to suggest they will have a sudden dip this close to getting to a final.
They need to keep their heads though and not allow Tyrone to dictate any part of the game.
A bit like the Roscommon game if Tyrone come out of the blocks early I think Mayo have the defensive presence to withstand them and then take control.
If Mayo come out of the blocks fast like they have done then it's over before it even starts.

And thats why I have been saying that there is something "different" about this Mayo squad. Before I would nearly have said that they are liable to anything, this time I will be SHOCKED if I they don't tear into Tyrone.
Mickey Harte has been there done that.
We will see.

My ticket is still better than Fowlers though

Syferus

manofwisdom wrote: »

Since the defeat to Donegal in Ulster Tyrone have conceded 0-8,1-7,0-12,2-9 and 0-12. consistent defending but clearly this game is a step up from the last four games.

Looking at Mayos attack and selecting the six likely forwards to start this game and what they have scored in the championship thus far.


Alan Freeman 1-9 (0-3 frees)
Alan Dillon 0-5
Cillan O'Connor 6-13 ( 9 frees and penalty)
Kevin McLoughlin 0-8 ( 5 frees)
Andy Moran 1-3
Richie Feeney 0-3

O'Connor stands out with the six goals scored and hard to believe before this year his only championship goal was against Kerry in 2011 semi final.




I don't think so either nor are they scoring enough. Mayo should win this game though it should be closer contest than Mayos last four games.

The Feenster isn't in line for a start, nor did he start the last day. Carolan was subbed in before Feeney too so it's unlikely that he'll start even if Cuniffe is out. Pity.

Moneymaker

Mayo by 7. They'll simply overwhelm Tyrone with their pace and the sheer number of attacking options.

Always_Running

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not to mention the 2-10 they have got from Keegan, Vaughan and Boyle.

Those three defenders have scored more or as much from play than most of the starting forwards what does that tell us?

As for the game i expect a very focused Mayo outfit to advance to another All Ireland final, 5-7 point win i reckon.

lemd

Mayo by 5 points, i think Tyrone will not be able to close down all our scoring players. My big worry would be injuries or O'Shea loosing his temper and doing something silly, i can see Tyrone hitting him hard in the hopes of a reaction.

Rightwing

Who ever wins this one, I'll he hoping they go on to win it out.

kupus

Again im going for a mayo scoreline of 8 or more... I wonder what odds for that??

blowitupref

Mayo have great spread of scorers throughout the team they are better in defence and midfield than Tyrone and expect another comfortable win for them.

Mayo 1-16 Tyrone 0-12

Padkir

Prop Joe wrote: »

Can't see Mayo losing this one but that's when Mickey Harte's men are most dangerous

I'd line Mayo out as follows


K O'Malley
T Cunniffe
G Cafferkey
C Boyle
L Keegan
R Feeney
K Higgins - Follow Joe McMahon back when he goes to play sweeper and push him up the field

D Vaughan - 3 Across the middle with Vaughan marking Cavanagh,Vaughan's Pace,Fitness and general attacking ability should keep big Sean honest
S O'Shea
A O Shea

K McLoughlin
A Dillon
C O'Connor
A Freeman
A Moran

While that reasoning sounds good in theory, I think you need someone more disciplined on Cavanagh. I'm a fan of Vaughans (unlike many people on this forum) but he's liable to go off attacking too often and if you leave a hole for Cavanagh to run through straight at the full back line then there will be goal chances. The full back line is good but Sean Cavanagh running straight for you with no cover is tough to defend against.

I'd stick Seamie O'Shea on him. Just as physical, pretty mobile and disciplined. Could do a good job!

Padkir

Always_Running wrote: »

Those three defenders have scored more or as much from play than most of the starting forwards what does that tell us?

As for the game i expect a very focused Mayo outfit to advance to another All Ireland final, 5-7 point win i reckon.

It tells us that Mayo have match winners all over the pitch and, much like Donegal last year, they can score from anywhere.

I have money on a Mayo win by 10-12 points, although even I am admitting it might be right on the outside of it. Would be a bit shocked if Tyrone got within 6 of us.

smiler21

at least your all positive.

The_Kew_Tour

Bit like Cork in 2010, if Mayo dont win Sam this year they never will imo.

They have to take advantage of fact they are in flying form.

Padkir

smiler21 wrote: »

at least your all positive.

Long enough going into games not knowing what Mayo performance you're going to get.

May as well make the most of the fact that we've been playing consistently the last two years!

smiler21

look who cork played in the semi final in 2010. i hope tyrone win but if they don't would like to see mayo lifting sam.

Tombo2001

yop wrote: »

Mayo SHOULD win, though Limericks defeat goes to show how you can't ever be certain.
10-15 mins should be vital, if we take a lead of 3 or 4 points in that period then I would expect us to come out with a 5 or 6 point win. We have avg of 15 point winning margin this season, can't see anywhere near that this match.
Tyrone go ahead by a couple of points and it will be interesting to see what we can do. Saw the Ros v Tyrone match and Rossies would kick themselves for not beating them.

Ticket got there now, section 305

Mayo are solid favourites for this; they were in the final last year, they have been excellent throughout this year. Couldnt say that about Limerick.

Mayo will be bulling if they dont win this match......they have to win the AI this year, and they will roll over Tyrone IMO.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Mayo should win this at relative ease. Tyrone have struggled in the scoring stakes for the championship, and with Stephen O' Neil in poor form and Penrose suspended I can't see them scoring enough to overcome Mayo.

That said, I can't see a big defeat for Tyrone. They won't malfunction like Donegal did, and with Gormley back, their back 6 should be able to cope as well as any back 6 against Mayo. Obviously, it'll be more like a back 10, but Mayo should get enough change out of them to win by 4 or 5.

One aspect of the game I'm really looking forward to is Cavanagh vs AOS. IMO, the 2 front winners for POTY. Whoever wins this match, one of those 2 should go on to get the prize. Easily the best 2 midfielders in the country atm, and both are capable attackers and defenders.

I don't think this match will be pretty in any way, but it should be intriguing nonetheless. 2 very physical teams, but Mayo have just that bit more all around the squad, especially in the forwards. Tyrone containing Dillon, K McL & Moran is key. I think Peter Harte will have a massive role to play in deciding the game, he could be the difference imo.

keane2097

Mayo will never be in trouble in this one IMO and will win comfortably.

ColeTrain

yop wrote: »

Ticket got there now, section 305

In 306 myself, great seats.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Bit like Cork in 2010, if Mayo dont win Sam this year they never will imo.

They have to take advantage of fact they are in flying form.

You're only as good as your last game. Tyrone have to be taken care of before we start looking at All-Irelands.
I want to see Mayo go at them from the start and keep the momentum going.

Fr Tod Umptious

ColeTrain wrote: »

In 306 myself, great seats.



You're only as good as your last game. Tyrone have to be taken care of before we start looking at All-Irelands.
I want to see Mayo go at them from the start and keep the momentum going.

Exactly, blow them out of the water, just like every other team this year.

Get to the final as a total and utter juggernaut.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Exactly, blow them out of the water, just like every other team this year.

Get to the final as a total and utter juggernaut.

IF Mayo do that, then it will be nigh impossible to control the county and the level of hype. A 2 or 3 point win will do the trick. A win to start with anyway, no injuries and no sending offs.

yop

Just to wet the appetite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cZvgCqCLmjU

ColeTrain

yop wrote: »

IF Mayo do that, then it will be nigh impossible to control the county and the level of hype. A 2 or 3 point win will do the trick. A win to start with anyway, no injuries and no sending offs.

It hasn't made a difference in the past. We've had tight semi wins only to come up short in the final.

I'm with fr Tod on this one. Obviously I will settle for any win but I want to win by as much as possible and with the style being turned on. I would love to smash our way into the final with no chance of getting off the train until it stops in Westport..

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

IF Mayo do that, then it will be nigh impossible to control the county and the level of hype. A 2 or 3 point win will do the trick. A win to start with anyway, no injuries and no sending offs.

I agree with the injuries and sending offs thing but iIwould prefer to see them get to the final well on top.

As for the hype this time last year I was very vocal about how I thought Donegal would die from the hype, I was wrong, that did not happen.
I really hope it will not be a factor if Mayo prevail by a big margin on Sunday.
For a long time we have been saying that this team under Horan is different, I really hope that is the case.

InchicoreDude

There was a good discussion on Second Captains today about whether hype actually has an effect on players. Derek Lyng from Kilkenny hurlers absolutely rejected it had any impact. When it was put to him that the "Drive for five" hype in 2010 has a negative impact on Kilkenny, he said it was no different to the year before (when Kilkenny had never achieved a 4 in a row). But when they lost, suddenly the hype was an issue. Interesting to hear a former player's perspective on it.

angelclar

It be a mayo win by 5 points . hope no sending off or injures .

Cosmo Kramer

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Bit like Cork in 2010, if Mayo dont win Sam this year they never will imo.

They have to take advantage of fact they are in flying form.

I don't agree that this is their only chance to win it. It's a good chance, but as I was saying on the other thread, with an average age of 25 this team is only moving in to its best years. I even saw an interview with Andy Moran during the week where he talked about playing another 5 or 6 years of intercounty, and he's one of the older players. Plenty of time for them especially as a lot of teams who were successful in the last decade seem to be regressing now.

Despite what is written hype isn't usually an issue in Mayo. 1996/97 was the only time I would say things got out of hand with cars and songs and all that rubbish. In my experience people are usually too stressed trying to sort tickets to have time to enjoy the build up to a final. If we get there I wouldn't get too worried about hype. I think we've spend too long analysing why we didn't win finals in the past and 'hype' is an easy answer to brush over our failings. Generally we haven't won them because we haven't been good enough - each final team between 1989 and 2006 had obvious weaknesses and probably in most cases weren't even in the top two teams in the country those years. That is why we were beaten, not because of hype.

Hopefully we can go out on Sunday and deliver a performance to the standard we've been consistently achieving this year so far. If we do that I am confident it will be enough to win this game.

UnitedIrishman

Apparently Aidan O'Shea didn't train with the rest of the team last night. He's carrying a hamstring injury so hopefully its a precaution and doesn't mean he's out for Sunday.

I know he's a massive massive player for us but I'd still be confident in Moran's ability to come in and do a job in midfield if needed. He was one of our best 3-4 players last season and himself and Seamie work well together.

InchicoreDude

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

I don't agree that this is their only chance to win it. It's a good chance, but as I was saying on the other thread, with an average age of 25 this team is only moving in to its best years. I even saw an interview with Andy Moran during the week where he talked about playing another 5 or 6 years of intercounty, and he's one of the older players. Plenty of time for them especially as a lot of teams who were successful in the last decade seem to be regressing now.

Despite what is written hype isn't usually an issue in Mayo. 1996/97 was the only time I would say things got out of hand with cars and songs and all that rubbish. In my experience people are usually too stressed trying to sort tickets to have time to enjoy the build up to a final. If we get there I wouldn't get too worried about hype. I think we've spend too long analysing why we didn't win finals in the past and 'hype' is an easy answer to brush over our failings. Generally we haven't won them because we haven't been good enough - each final team between 1989 and 2006 had obvious weaknesses and probably in most cases weren't even in the top two teams in the country those years. That is why we were beaten, not because of hype.

Hopefully we can go out on Sunday and deliver a performance to the standard we've been consistently achieving this year so far. If we do that I am confident it will be enough to win this game.

I think 1999 was a year when hype really got to Mayo. I remember Mayo winning the Connacht title in Tuam and it was like them winning an AI. Always felt if they kept their feet on the ground after that day, they could have gone on to achieve something.

yop

Was on newstalk last night
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/home/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/30525/james_horan_speaks_to_colm_wooly_parkinson

Harte is on tonight.

InchicoreDude

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Apparently Aidan O'Shea didn't train with the rest of the team last night. He's carrying a hamstring injury so hopefully its a precaution and doesn't mean he's out for Sunday.

I know he's a massive massive player for us but I'd still be confident in Moran's ability to come in and do a job in midfield if needed. He was one of our best 3-4 players last season and himself and Seamie work well together.

Unfortunately, Moran is no O'Sé. However, I wouldnt read too much into him not training last night. At this stage, all the hard work should have been put in. And anybody with a hint of a slight tweak wouldnt be training last night.

Fr Tod Umptious

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Apparently Aidan O'Shea didn't train with the rest of the team last night. He's carrying a hamstring injury so hopefully its a precaution and doesn't mean he's out for Sunday.

I know he's a massive massive player for us but I'd still be confident in Moran's ability to come in and do a job in midfield if needed. He was one of our best 3-4 players last season and himself and Seamie work well together.

Hopefully it's not a big deal.
Moran has not featured this year and I'm not sure how fit he is but he still has been a great player under Horan and I am quiet sure he could do a very good job if called on.

Mayo are very strong off the bench, the likes of, Moran (if fit), Conroy (if fit), Varley, Doherty (if fit), Keane etc well all starters last year

Cosmo Kramer

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I think 1999 was a year when hype really got to Mayo. I remember Mayo winning the Connacht title in Tuam and it was like them winning an AI. Always felt if they kept their feet on the ground after that day, they could have gone on to achieve something.

The 1999 win was big alright, but in hindsight is has to be taken in the context of Galway coming off the back of an All Ireland win. Similar to Donegal this year Galway were vulnerable in 99 and Mayo took advantage. By the time Galway returned to the All Ireland series in 2000 and 2001 that Mayo team was breaking up. I think they were already in decline in 1999 but the fact that they beat the All Ireland champions at the time masked that for a while. They were well out of their depth in the semi against Cork and were well beaten on the day - that Cork team didn't even go on to win the AI.

If Mayo were good enough to win an AI in the 90s they would already have done it by then - the 99 team wasn't the best they had. All of the Mayo mid to late 90s teams suffered from the same problem - there weren't enough quality forwards to turn posession into scores. They had Horan, McDonald (but not in 96), Sheridan for frees (although he struggled with the high pressure ones) and McManaman for winning possession from breaking ball around midfield - but he couldn't shoot. The other forwards - the likes of Dempsey, Nestor, Reilly, Loftus weren't near top level intercounty standard and it cost us dearly.

yop

Brollys take on the match

http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/audio-joe-brolly-gives-his-verdict-on-the-all-ireland-semi-finals-and-he-doesnt-fancy-tyrone-or-kerry/

Jayop

yop wrote: »

Brollys take on the match

http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/audio-joe-brolly-gives-his-verdict-on-the-all-ireland-semi-finals-and-he-doesnt-fancy-tyrone-or-kerry/

That *****'s opinion seems to have grown ever more important since his self serving rant.

Delighted to see how cocky all the ABT's and the real Mayo fans are getting this week. Strong favourites but no game is won till it's over. It's been a strange championship so far and I wouldn't rule out another upset or two.

Padkir

Jayop wrote: »

That *****'s opinion seems to have grown ever more important since his self serving rant.

Delighted to see how cocky all the ABT's and the real Mayo fans are getting this week. Strong favourites but no game is won till it's over. It's been a strange championship so far and I wouldn't rule out another upset or two.

It hasn't really been a strange championship at all to be honest. Bar the Monaghan win over Donegal, were there any other results that would count as big upsets?

Jayop

Cavan got to a 1/4, London played 4 games. That's just off the top of my head.

Oh, and Tyrone getting to a semi is a bit of a shock too.

Jayop

Donegal being utter crap was a shock for me as well.

Tombo2001

Padkir wrote: »

It hasn't really been a strange championship at all to be honest. Bar the Monaghan win over Donegal, were there any other results that would count as big upsets?

I would say that its the championship where the chasm between the strong and weak teams has become too wide. I can see football going the way of the hurling championship with some counties not entering a team.

Rather than upsets, its a bit like when Chelsea and Man U started winning every other game 4-0 a few years back......

Jayop

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I would say that its the championship where the chasm between the strong and weak teams has become too wide. I can see football going the way of the hurling championship with some counties not entering a team.

Rather than upsets, its a bit like when Chelsea and Man U started winning every other game 4-0 a few years back......

Dunno about that. Tyrone look a lot better than I thought they would so it's improved competition, Cavan have improved immensely and look to have a team that they can build on while Monaghan hopefully will be able to replace the older heads and keep the standard high.

Ulster football has been a high point this summer although I'm sure not a lot will agree with me.

Padkir

Jayop wrote: »

Cavan got to a 1/4, London played 4 games. That's just off the top of my head.

Oh, and Tyrone getting to a semi is a bit of a shock too.

Ok fair point re London, but their games that they won were against Leitrim and a poor Sligo side. I'll take the point that it was a shock though.

Don't really class Cavan getting to the quarters as a shock, had a nice run at it, Derry being the only tough game but then Derry are hit and miss on any given day.

Same with Tyrone, they have got through on the back of a nice run of qualifiers. Meath, Kildare, Roscommon and Monaghan; you wold expect them to beat all of those teams.