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Do you care about uniting Ireland?

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    #182
    Fred Swanson
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    #183
    Fratton Fred
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    so Irish epl fans never spew out bigotry against travellers Muslim and black people, I hear it all the time... So its pot and kettle

    What? Probably. Some of them may also be travellers, black, gay, Muslim or even Jedi ****ing knight.

    Some may be left handed or short sighted.

    None of which has anything to do with them supporting an epl team.

    Someone who claims to be a true Irishman and supports a Scottish football team, yet calls someone who supports an English team a west brit is definitely a hypocrite though.


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    #184
    bullhits
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    awec wrote: »
    The national debt per head in the UK is significantly lower than Ireland.

    The 6 counties run at a significant deficit. Can Ireland maintain that? The deficit won't magically disappear in unification.

    The six counties run at a deficit and that presents a significant challenge in integrating the six counties, but as mentioned by myself and others above, there are economic benefits to the restructuring and a majority in the 26 counties would pay extra taxes to support the unification.


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    #185
    dublinbhoy88
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    What? Probably. Some of them may also be travellers, black, gay, Muslim or even Jedi ****ing knight.

    Some may be left handed or short sighted.

    None of which has anything to do with them supporting an epl team.

    Someone who claims to be a true Irishman and supports a Scottish football team, yet calls someone who supports an English team a west brit is definitely a hypocrite though.
    west brits is an anglophillic term, not Scots.So you are trying to deny Irish epl are not bigots?


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    #186
    Fratton Fred
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    bullhits wrote: »
    The six counties run at a deficit and that presents a significant challenge in integrating the six counties, but as mentioned by myself and others above, there are economic benefits to the restructuring and a majority in the 26 counties would pay extra taxes to support the unification.

    There are even more economic benefits to Ireland rejoining the UK.


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    #187
    Fratton Fred
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    west brits is an anglophillic term, not Scots.So you are trying to deny Irish epl are not bigots?

    I'm not trying to deny anything, merely that you are talking bollocks.

    Why is it acceptable to support a Scottish team, but not an English one?


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    #188
    Dravokivich
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    west brits is an anglophillic term, not Scots.So you are trying to deny Irish epl are not bigots?

    You are portraying yourself as a bigot, is it only a bad thing when you are able to eliminate yourself because you support a team that plays in a different nations league?


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    #189
    bullhits
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    There are even more economic benefits to Ireland rejoining the UK.

    Haha good one :pac:


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    #190
    dublinbhoy88
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    You are portraying yourself as a bigot, is it only a bad thing when you are able to eliminate yourself because you support a team that plays in a different nations league?
    Bigot... When did I abuse people of a different religion or race,keep your own bigotry ti yourself


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    #191
    Karl Stein
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    martinedwards wrote: »
    I personally know a RUC officer at Altnagelvin Hospital who took a blast bomb from the pocket of one of the wounded protesters.....

    He's a liar and people like him are the reason the sectarian vipers nest that was the RUC was effectively disbanded.


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    #192
    dublinbhoy88
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I'm not trying to deny anything, merely that you are talking bollocks.

    Why is it acceptable to support a Scottish team, but not an English one?
    I never said was it wasn't accepable,each to their,you can't start pointing the finger of bigotry at Celtic fans without expecting it back.


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    #193
    dublinbhoy88
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    OSI wrote: »
    It's a bigoted term in my view. Quite ironic given your posts in this thread.
    so saying the Irish Scots English is an act of bigotry now.. Jesus wept


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    #194
    Fratton Fred
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    I never said was it wasn't accepable,each to their,you can't start pointing the finger of bigotry at Celtic fans without expecting it back.

    Lol.

    I haven't called you a bigot. You were claiming to be a true Irishman and claiming people that support English football teams were less Irish than you, yet you too support a British team.

    So Are you a west brit as well?


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    #195
    catrionanic
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    ultimately i think its the only longterm solution, and there'll never be true peace on this island until a UI is realised.

    will it happen in my lifetime though? i don't think so.


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    Fred Swanson
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    Dravokivich
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    Bigot... When did I abuse people of a different religion or race,keep your own bigotry ti yourself

    It's not going to be solely based on Race/Religion/Sex. It's whatever you use to associate and identify people and then judge against everyone you can lump into that box. Which you appear to be doing. You are spouting abuse stereotypically towards a grouping of people on the basis of labelling you apply to identify them with a very weak connection, such as which team they support, or which league/nation a range of teams they support is from. That is the very essence of being bigoted.


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    #198
    bullhits
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    OSI wrote: »
    I will in my arse pay more taxes to support unifaction. I'm already planning on leaving this country because of the excessive taxes.
    Swings and roundabouts. I'll be moving back to Ireland where I'll pay less tax than I am currently.


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    #199
    bullhits
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Who says what?

    I never said SF represented the views of the majority in the republic.


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    #200
    dublinbhoy88
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    You are portraying yourself as a bigot, is it only a bad thing when you are able to eliminate yourself because you support a team that plays in a different nations league?
    keep your own bigotry to yourself


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    #201
    Dravokivich
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    keep your own bigotry to yourself

    Ehm... you've responded to me on that post already. You appear to have missed my more expressive commentary in reply. Or do you not know what Bigotry is?


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    #202
    dublinbhoy88
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    It's not going to be solely based on Race/Religion/Sex. It's whatever you use to associate and identify people and then judge against everyone you can lump into that box. Which you appear to be doing. You are spouting abuse stereotypically towards a grouping of people on the basis of labelling you apply to identify them with a very weak connection, such as which team they support, or which league/nation a range of teams they support is from. That is the very essence of being bigoted.
    Do you attack posters who brand Celtic fans scum and bigots.. Or are you bigoted in your criticism?


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    #203
    Crooked Jack
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    He's referring to an Irish Times/Ipsos poll last year/earlier this year which found a majority of people in the south want a UI, the numbers of those opposed to it had shrunk and that a majority of people would be willing to pay more to make it happen.


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    #204
    Crooked Jack
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    A perfect example of what I was talking about earlier. Utter uninformed baseless crap that people spout as if it were fact.


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    #205
    crazygeryy
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    add more counties for the govern ment to be in charge of and they would explode so no.no effing way.


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    #206
    Dravokivich
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    Do you attack posters who brand Celtic fans scum and bigots.. Or are you bigoted in your criticism?

    Actually a lot of them appear to be questioning why are "EPL" fans being branded scum, while the Celtic fans seem to go untarnished?

    If you think my commentary above was bigoted, I'd direct you to an earlier post I made in this thread where I think Politics and Sports shouldn't be mixed in such a manner as they are here. They've very little relevance to each other and of no use. People can support the same team and hold very different political ideals or varying social responsibilities, that are of no relation to the team they support.


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    #207
    greenflash
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    Supporting Celtic is pretty much a microcosm of Irish nationalism. There's loads of singing, shouting and stirred up patriotism but in reality it's of no benefit to Ireland or its people.

    Soon after Celtic was established, Brother Walfrid fell out with his co-founders as his idea of a club that would be a part of his charitable works to help the poor and needy Irish immigrants in Glasgow was turned into a business to make money from those people. A hundred years later they erected a statue of him outside Parkhead to reinforce the historical Irish links and ensure the money keeps rolling into Celtic from Irish people. The more money Celtic takes in, the more it contributes to the British state through taxes. Aside from flying a tricolour and having sod from Donegal, the only real connection between Celtic and Ireland is the cash that pours out of this country and into the British PLC's bank account. The powers that be in Celtic would give their right arms to be a part of the EPL but would run a mile from actually contributing something to Ireland by seeking to quit British football and request to join the LOI.

    Irish nationalism and supporting Celtic are based on romanticism and skewed history rather than realism. Up Larsson and the ra.


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    #208
    InTheTrees
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    Football really? The debate has sunk to the level of what football team someone considers best?

    Utter nonsense about watching English soccer. Chelsea sold out a 60,000 seat stadium in Seattle, Manchester United sells out in China. Here in the western USA we get more live epl matches on tv than they do in england.

    Maybe it feels a little incestuous as Ireland is so close to england and you dont realize it but English Football is a multi national corporation that covers the entire world. Its a business. You can debate the reasons for that (and why there isnt better tv coverage of irish football?) but claiming bigotry is way off.


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    Christ the Redeemer
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    catrionanic wrote: »
    ultimately i think its the only longterm solution, and there'll never be true peace on this island until a UI is realised.

    What a load of dreck.


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    #210
    shruikan2553
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    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    Do you attack posters who brand Celtic fans scum and bigots.. Or are you bigoted in your criticism?

    Can you point out these bigoted comments? The closest thing to bigotry im seeing here is from the true irish brigade who speak english and probably couldnt hold a conversation through irish. Wouldnt surprise me if they cant even remember the last time they went to a GAA match


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    #211
    COYW
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    catrionanic wrote: »
    ultimately i think its the only longterm solution, and there'll never be true peace on this island until a UI is realised.

    will it happen in my lifetime though? i don't think so.

    What is "true peace"? Is this some hocus-pocus republican ideology? Unless there has been some change over the past few hours, N.I. and the RoI are peaceful countries.

    Given the differences between the people and the cultures in both countries, a faux amalgamation of sorts would be all that could be achieved. A republican UI is purely theoretical and completely unattainable. Republicans are just going to have to wake up and accept it.

    The divisions that exist in N.I. will always remain. As other have said, we in the RoI are closer to the English nowadays, in terms of culture and lifestyle, than we are to the people of N.I..


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