The Boards.ie World Manager Application Thread

tupac_healy

baza Rakus wrote:

Nah the arse dropped out of it mate, was a big struggle to get it up from 33 (where it was) to 16 (where it is now). It's been very hard but I have somehow achieved it by ... erm being stuck in the relegation zone pretty much all season (until a couple of weeks ago) ...

Oh I thought you keep it, strike that part so! My bad

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tupac_healy wrote: »

I thought you keep your manager rank no???

Technically you have no rank if you have no club? You keep your manager points alright but as Baz said it still creates a gap.

Although the current way is maybe not the best, or most fair -it is the only way that was the easiest for transparency and ease of working it out.

I must admit I'd like a 2nd factor to be taken into account, but like Baz says what it is I have no idea what would work.

doc holliday

What about this.

1. Manager ranking (on a points system so based on say 50 managers, #1 ranked manager gets 50 points, #45 ranked manager gets 5 points)

2. Average points at current club x 100. handicap system so -5 points off total for div 2, -10 for div 3, -15 for div 4. (1.90 in div 1 = 190 points, 2.2 in div 3 = 220 points - 10 handicap = 210 points)

3. Loyalty bonus. 10% of total games at current club (200 games = 20 points)

4. Boards posts in 30 days % 2( 10 posts = 5 points)

Example

Manager A
Ranking 12 = 38 points
Ave points 1.8 = 180 points
Loyalty 230 games = 23 points
Boards posts 2 = 1 point
Total = 242 points

Manager B
Ranking 32= 18 points
Ave points 2.15 = 215 - 10(div 3) = 205 points
Loyalty 200 games = 20 points
Boards posts 10= 5 points
Total = 248 points

Now it's probably making it all too complicated, but it's just an idea.

The average points at current club allows a manager who's doing well in a lower league to have a decent shout at a good job, albeit with a handicap as it's gonna be easier to pick up points in lower leagues.

The loyalty bonus just gives someone who stayed at a club forever who now wants a new challenge to have a better shout over someone who switches clubs more regularly.

The boards posts bit may be a way of getting more activity on the thread.

Since I'm still one of the newest managers here I may be talking out of me arse with the above so apologies if so.

tupac_healy

Can't argue with any of that Doc... the logic seems sound!


Whilst it may be extra work for the lads allocating the jobs, let's be honest it would only ever be used for the big big jobs...


It's worth doing imo, good shout man

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doc holliday wrote: »

What about this.

1. Manager ranking (on a points system so based on say 50 managers, #1 ranked manager gets 50 points, #45 ranked manager gets 5 points)

No problem with this bit, and easy to calculate

doc holliday wrote: »

2. Average points at current club x 100. handicap system so -5 points off total for div 2, -10 for div 3, -15 for div 4. (1.90 in div 1 = 190 points, 2.2 in div 3 = 220 points - 10 handicap = 210 points)

No problem with it as an idea as another factor to consider, however I am not sure about the handicap bit of it being included.

doc holliday wrote: »

3. Loyalty bonus. 10% of total games at current club (200 games = 20 points)

Another interesting factor, and loyalty should be rewarded for me.

doc holliday wrote: »

4. Boards posts in 30 days % 2( 10 posts = 5 points)

Do you mean boards posts in 30 days, 50% of that expressed in points?
I do like the idea of rewarding boards activity, but specifically limited to the soccer manager forum, maybe even the boards league related threads?

This makes it difficult to calculate, and also there maybe needs to be a cap on that as if not it would be easy to negate someones loyalty bonus by spamming the thread!

Can you maybe do up some real examples just to see? say pick an active manager from each division, a realistic example - just to see how it pans out?

If you don't, I'll try it myself at some stage over the weekend.

Comic Book Guy

doc holliday wrote: »

What about this.

1. Manager ranking (on a points system so based on say 50 managers, #1 ranked manager gets 50 points, #45 ranked manager gets 5 points)

2. Average points at current club x 100. handicap system so -5 points off total for div 2, -10 for div 3, -15 for div 4. (1.90 in div 1 = 190 points, 2.2 in div 3 = 220 points - 10 handicap = 210 points)

3. Loyalty bonus. 10% of total games at current club (200 games = 20 points)

4. Boards posts in 30 days % 2( 10 posts = 5 points)

Example

Manager A
Ranking 12 = 38 points
Ave points 1.8 = 180 points
Loyalty 230 games = 23 points
Boards posts 2 = 1 point
Total = 242 points

Manager B
Ranking 32= 18 points
Ave points 2.15 = 215 - 10(div 3) = 205 points
Loyalty 200 games = 20 points
Boards posts 10= 5 points
Total = 248 points

Now it's probably making it all too complicated, but it's just an idea.

The average points at current club allows a manager who's doing well in a lower league to have a decent shout at a good job, albeit with a handicap as it's gonna be easier to pick up points in lower leagues.

The loyalty bonus just gives someone who stayed at a club forever who now wants a new challenge to have a better shout over someone who switches clubs more regularly.

The boards posts bit may be a way of getting more activity on the thread.

Since I'm still one of the newest managers here I may be talking out of me arse with the above so apologies if so.

Ya might be one of the newest managers on here but I like your idea, well thought out.

As Tupac says it is a lot of extra work for mods but how many top clubs became available in last few seasons.........Barca and as a consequence dortmund and Chelsea just recently

doc holliday

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

No problem with this bit, and easy to calculate



No problem with it as an idea as another factor to consider, however I am not sure about the handicap bit of it being included.



Another interesting factor, and loyalty should be rewarded for me.



Do you mean boards posts in 30 days, 50% of that expressed in points?
I do like the idea of rewarding boards activity, but specifically limited to the soccer manager forum, maybe even the boards league related threads?

This makes it difficult to calculate, and also there maybe needs to be a cap on that as if not it would be easy to negate someones loyalty bonus by spamming the thread!

Can you maybe do up some real examples just to see? say pick an active manager from each division, a realistic example - just to see how it pans out?

If you don't, I'll try it myself at some stage over the weekend.

Yeah sure il do some real examples later. Just on the handicap part, if you look at my record it's 2.38 points from 81 games I think but that's from div 4 and 3 only where the majority are unmanaged teams. Theres no way that would be that high in div 2 or 1 so I think without a handicap the lower division teams would have an unfair advantage in that metric.

The boards posts one I shouldve clarified better, I meant to say the boards.ie league posts only, but your right that one is hard to quantify.

doc holliday

doc holliday wrote: »

Yeah sure il do some real examples later. Just on the handicap part, if you look at my record it's 2.38 points from 81 games I think but that's from div 4 and 3 only where the majority are unmanaged teams. Theres no way that would be that high in div 2 or 1 so I think without a handicap the lower division teams would have an unfair advantage in that metric.

The boards posts one I shouldve clarified better, I meant to say the boards.ie league posts only, but your right that one is hard to quantify.

So I just took the league leaders from each division and compared, the highest ranked manager (man city) ended up with most points anyway. Oh and I only counted boards.ie league posts for last 3 days instead of 30 as there's 10 pages alone for just those 3 days and I don't have all night

Boca ranking 41/47 = 6 points
Av points 2.38= 238 -10 =228points div 3 loyalty 81 games = 8.1 points
boards posts 3 = 1.5 points
Total points = 243.6

Flamengo ranking 17/47 = 30 points
Av points 1.83 = 183 - 15 = 168 points div 4
loyalty 344 games = 34.4 points
boards posts 1 =. 5
Total points = 232.9

Ac Milan 33/47 = 14 points
Av points 2.36 = 236 - 5 = 231 points div 2
Loyalty 83 games = 8.3 points
Boards posts 0
Total points = 253.3

Man city 5/47 = 42 points
Av points 2.04 = 204 points
Loyalty 286 games = 28.6 points
Boards posts 1=. 5 points
Total points = 275.1

thisyear

Well lads, looking to do a switch from Kiev to sporting if there is no objections!

GT_TDI_150

thisyear wrote: »

Well lads, looking to do a switch from Kiev to sporting if there is no objections!

Nooooooooooooooo :mad: ..... not before the free-for-all of un-managed players!!

thisyear

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Nooooooooooooooo :mad: ..... not before the free-for-all of un-managed players!!

I'm sure nobody was interested in sportings players anyways 😀

hufpc8w3adnk65

doc holliday wrote: »

So I just took the league leaders from each division and compared, the highest ranked manager (man city) ended up with most points anyway. Oh and I only counted boards.ie league posts for last 3 days instead of 30 as there's 10 pages alone for just those 3 days and I don't have all night

Boca ranking 41/47 = 6 points
Av points 2.38= 238 -10 =228points div 3 loyalty 81 games = 8.1 points
boards posts 3 = 1.5 points
Total points = 243.6

Flamengo ranking 17/47 = 30 points
Av points 1.83 = 183 - 15 = 168 points div 4
loyalty 344 games = 34.4 points
boards posts 1 =. 5
Total points = 232.9

Ac Milan 33/47 = 14 points
Av points 2.36 = 236 - 5 = 231 points div 2
Loyalty 83 games = 8.3 points
Boards posts 0
Total points = 253.3

Man city 5/47 = 42 points
Av points 2.04 = 204 points
Loyalty 286 games = 28.6 points
Boards posts 1=. 5 points
Total points = 275.1

That's class

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thisyear wrote: »

Well lads, looking to do a switch from Kiev to sporting if there is no objections!

They have been free for ages, so should just be a case of quit and apply.

You will never be let in Kiev again if you somehow keep Sporting up while Kiev go down, there is a chance!

Will be good to see Sporting survive the upcoming onslaught even though I had my eye on some of them.

tupac_healy

ctrl-alt-delete wrote:

Will be good to see Sporting survive the upcoming onslaught even though I had my eye on some of them.

You most certainly ain't alone there!

thisyear

Right applied there so hopefully all good!!

GT_TDI_150

thisyear wrote: »

Right applied there so hopefully all good!!

Fingers crossed* that Mac is on a combined "triple stag, christening, communion, confirmation, wedding and official opening of the local offie" bender ...


(*) all those with their eyes on that squad have their fingers crossed ... you on the other hand are probably hoping that all pubs in Cork are out of Heineken!

thisyear

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Fingers crossed* that Mac is on a combined "triple stag, christening, communion, confirmation, wedding and official opening of the local offie" bender ...


(*) all those with their eyes on that squad have their fingers crossed ... you on the other hand are probably hoping that all pubs in Cork are out of Heineken!

Lads who ever kidnapped Mac can you return him please so that he can complete the application at sporting....

GT_TDI_150

Mac? Havent seen him for ages ....

hufpc8w3adnk65

Hes in lads!

tupac_healy

Who's the guy that applied for Rangers on boards????

Wilberto

Teams currently available :

No. | Team | Transfer Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
1 | Dynamo Kiev | 3.6m | 69 | 89 | 225.0m | 3*
2 | Hamburger SV | 27.5m | 107 | 88 | 223.2m | 3*
3 | VfL Wolfsburg | 73.8m | 52 | 88 | 174.5m | 3**
4 | Valencia | 54.7m | 55 | 88 | 178.1m | 3
5 | West Brom | 16.3m | 57 | 87 | 177.6m | 3
6 | Celtic | 15.0m | 125 | 88 | 252.4m | 3
7 | Palmeiras | 5.6m | 84 | 87 | 170.5m | 3
8 | RSC Anderlecht | 4.0m | 41 | 88 | 169.2m | 3
9 | Galatasaray | (0.2m) | 57 | 87 | 154.2m | 3
10 | FC Twente | (1.5m) | 53 | 88 | 164.0m | 3
11 | Shaktar Donetsk | (1.7m) | 92 | 88 | 237.1m | 3
12 | Portsmouth | (3.0m) | 69 | 88 | 162.2m | 3
13 | Fenerbahce | 43.1m | 64 | 87 | 146.0m | 4
14 | Sao Paulo FC | 27.4m | 51 | 87 | 147.8m | 4
15 | Girondins Bordeaux | 26.9m | 50 | 87 | 136.4m | 4
16 | FC Basel | 21.7m | 45 | 87 | 157.8m | 4***
17 | Shanghai Shenhua | 19.4m | 68 | 88 | 179.1m | 4***
18 | O. Marselle | 17.3m | 62 | 87 | 169.7m | 4
19 | CSKA Moskva | 14.5m | 49 | 88 | 152.5m | 4
20 | Besiktas | 14.2m | 54 | 88 | 184.7m | 4
21 | LA Galaxy | 13.3m | 73 | 86 | 130.3m | 4
22 | AJ Auxerre | 12.6m | 63 | 87 | 156.9m | 4
23 | Velez Sarsfield | 11.6m | 63 | 87 | 152.5m | 4
24 | AZ | 7.1m | 52 | 86 | 146.0m | 4*
25 | Gremio | 4.9m | 72 | 86 | 163.6m | 4
26 | Standard Liege | 3.4m | 54 | 87 | 166.3m | 4
27 | Hannover | 3.3m | 110 | 87 | 215.0m | 4
28 | Stuttgart | 2.1m | 65 | 88 | 212.1m | 4*
29 | Chivas De Guadalajara | (1.0m) | 76 | 86 | 176.1m | 4
30 | Olympiacos | (3.5m) | 66 | 87 | 223.5m | 4*
31 | Sporting de Braga | (16.8m) | 86 | 87 | 219.8m | 4
32 | Rangers | --.-m | 95 | 89 | 280.0m | 3****


* Club has just been relegated to this division.
** Club is in the Division 3 playoff final.
*** Club is in the Division 4 playoff final.
**** Club has currently been applied for by an unknown manager. However, they are still available as this application is due to be rejected.

Wilberto

tupac_healy wrote: »

Who's the guy that applied for Rangers on boards????

I don't think he is on boards, is he? Apparently he's Argentinian.

tupac_healy

Wilberto wrote:

I don't think he is on boards, is he? Apparently he's Argentinian.

I take it by the 4 stars so he's not getting the Rangers gig?


Few days from buying from unmanaged is turned on and a randomer applies for one of the best unmanaged clubs??

Sorry but fairly questionable timing

tupac_healy

Wilberto wrote:

I don't think he is on boards, is he? Apparently he's Argentinian.

Or not..... same for Shaktar, guess the rules just are not that important anymore...


Pity

Colemania

tupac_healy wrote: »

Or not..... same for Shaktar, guess the rules just are not that important anymore...


Pity

All i'll say is keep an eye on the ins and outs of those 2 clubs. I have a feeling they're going to be friends of current users or duplicate accounts that will either sell their current players for cash to said user or buy up the good players from unmanaged for cash and subsequently sell them on to said user. Once their job is done, they'll quit and never return.

It has happened previously but nothing was proven

Watch this space.....

GLaDOS

The Rangers manager is friends with Baza Rakus?

The other guy is Irish anyhow...

The more managers the better obviously but we want boardsies at the same time.

tupac_healy

ScienceNerd wrote:

The more managers the better obviously but we want boardsies at the same time.

Not so much 'want' as opposed to that is (or as it seems now, was) was the rule....

gerp99

New Rangers manager has 76 clubs, jaysus I struggle with 8 atm

Hercule Poirot

Leon Leon and cas cas?

Not suspicious at all!

gerp99

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Leon Leon and cas cas?

Not suspicious at all!

I thought gerp gerp would be too obvious