Russian lawmaker: Women should get time off from work during menstruation!

drunkmonkey

Got to love the Russians..

A Russian lawmaker has asked parliament to give women two days paid leave a month when they menstruate...

I've no problem with this and I don't think it's been sexist..but the old human rights activists think its sexist and are up in arms about it.

So what do you think ladies, would you take the 2 days?

Hobbitfeet

Oh love it, feck feminism, time off work

Morag

Red Tent anyone?

Mariasofia

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Got to love the Russians..

A Russian lawmaker has asked parliament to give women two days paid leave a month when they menstruate...

I've no problem with this and I don't think it's been sexist..but the old human rights activists think its sexist and are up in arms about it.

So what do you think ladies, would you take the 2 days?

I feckin love the Russians. First they give us vodka and now this..... Would I take the two days?? Does a wild bear sh1t in the woods!:D

Hobbitfeet

Morag wrote: »

Red Tent anyone?

Have you read it? Looks interesting

Legs.Eleven

Realistically, even just the chance to ring my boss and say, "Listen, I'm on the blob and I literally can not move from the foetal position for the next 2 hours or so, so I'll be in a bit late" or words to that effect. Not every month but when things are unbearable as they sometimes are. It'd be nice if it was taken seriously as an reason for coming in late now and then. Period pains are actually real contrary to the opinion of some. Nothing worse than having to drag myself out of bed in that state to go in and stand in front of students and teach pretending I'm grand when I can barely stand up straight or string a sentence together.

clairefontaine

You can ask for this but it would make employers less likely to hire you.

meeeeh

Younger me would love it. I actually missed work/school/uni sometimes because cramps were so bad the first day. And if I didn't I was completely unproductive half of the time.

That being said completely stupid idea.

clairefontaine

meeeeh wrote: »

Younger me would love it. I actually missed work/school/uni sometimes because cramps were so bad the first day. And if I didn't I was completely unproductive half of the time.

I've made some very bad mistakes under the influence of pain.

However, a feminist stance would argue that your period is not a justifiable reason for discrimination against you.

I remember growing up seeing a tampax ad with a woman in white riding on a horse through a meadow to the soundtrack "I am woman hear me roar."

You've t got to be kidding me. You're expected to be liberated and toughen up, match your male counterparts. Equality means NO you do no get an extra two days off a month.

Quality

It's not the blood or the pain that gets to me, it's the hysteric psychotic behaviour the week before!

meeeeh

clairefontaine wrote: »

You're expected to be liberated and toughen up, match your male counterparts. Equality means NO you do no get an extra two days off a month.

Or you just get prescription painkillers.

clairefontaine

meeeeh wrote: »

Or you just get prescription painkillers.

Mamas little helper. Work when your stoned, great fun.:)

Arawn

As a bloke who works....I would not be impressed by women getting 24 extra paid days off a year than me...it's nearly a paid month like!

Femme_Fatale

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Got to love the Russians..

For its homophobic laws?

I think it's good to have the option, because some women get horrendously ill every month and physically can't get into work. It's not necessary for plenty of women though, including me.

Morag

Hobbitfeet wrote: »

Have you read it? Looks interesting

Reading it atm, it's very interesting.

Ambersky

Im really really suspicious of Russian politics right now. The far right has been growing in strength in Russia and one way this is being expressed is in its "Protection of traditional sexual relations"

MOSCOW—Russia's lower house of Parliament passed a bill Tuesday that bans the promotion of homosexual "propaganda" and mandates stiff fines and jail terms for violators in what critics fear will lead to antigay repression.

The bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations," makes it a crime to
hold gay pride events,
speak in defense of gay rights
or to say gay relationships are equal to heterosexual ones.

Although ostensibly intended to protect minors, the bill is written so broadly that in effect it amounts to an outright ban.
Homosexuality was illegal during Soviet times but was illegal during Soviet times but was decriminalized in 1993.

"Traditional sexual relations are relations between a man and a woman," one of the bill's authors, Yelena Mizulina, told lawmakers. "These relations need special protection.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323495604578539220032220406.html

I would be wanting to find out if the idea of giving women a few days off work for their period is simply a group of parlilmentarians being nice to women in general or if it is an expression of the far rights attitude to women and what they see as our special role is society.
I dont think it is too far a stretch to think that the same parliament that has just passed laws to jail LGBT people in order to preserve and protect traditional relations might also have strong views on what they would see as the traditional role of women in society.
From some of the videos showing crowds of people beating up LGBT people in Russia and surrounding countries, as well as the extreme repressive changes in law, it seems that we are talking about the rise of fascism in Russia.
Here is what some other right wing extremists had to say on the role of women.
Could the idea of allowing women a few days off work for their periods be the beginning of other special treatment to protect our special role.

Women in Nazi Germany were to have a very specific role. Hitler was very clear about this. This role was that they should be good mothers bringing up children at home while their husbands worked. Outside of certain specialist fields, Hitler saw no reason why a woman should work. Education taught girls from the earliest of years that this was the lifestyle they should have.....
Women were not expected to work in Nazi Germany . In Weimar Germany there had been 100,000 female teachers, 3000 female doctors and 13,000 female musicians. Within months of Hitler coming to power, many female doctors and civil servants were sacked. This was followed by female teachers and lawyers. ....
As housewives and mothers, their lives were controlled. Women were not expected to wear make-up or trousers. The dyeing of hair was not allowed nor were perms. Only flat shoes were expected to be worn. Women were discouraged from slimming as this was considered bad for child birth. Women were encouraged to have a well built figure as slim women, so it was taught, would have problems in pregnancy…….Women were also discouraged from smoking - not because it was linked to problems with pregnancies - but because it was considered non-German to do so

http://http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Women_Nazi_Germany.htm

the_syco

Mariasofia wrote: »

I feckin love the Russians. First they give us vodka and now this..... Would I take the two days?? Does a wild bear sh1t in the woods!:D

It may seem nice now, but I'd say it's only a matter of time before they bring back the stupid law requiring you to give up your job when you give birth to a child. It will also help the worsening job situation as it'll mean that a large percentage of women won't be working in a paid job.

jill_valentine

It's a stupid idea coming from a completely anti-feminist place. Periodland is not a happy place to be, but it doesn't make you an irrational invalid unless something is seriously off.

I used to be in the Army Reserve, and every time we had to do an exercise that was going to be hard work (ie. most of them), one particular silly twit would set forward and request an exemption in front of dozens and dozens of her peers because it was her time of the month, and 35 other girls in the unit would facepalm in elegant, watchmaker precision. She was undermining her female peers and perpetuating ideas that we were already having to run uphill against before we got to the actual business of the thing, and making the job much harder for the rest of us, because it was convenient and she didn't care. And in the process, she was handing a weapon to every arsehole who was already making problems for us just because we were female.

This measure would, and is likely intended to, serve all the same purposes.

meeeeh

Ambersky wrote: »

Im really really suspicious of Russian politics right now. The far right has been growing in strength in Russia and one way this is being expressed is in its "Protection of traditional sexual relations"


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323495604578539220032220406.html

I would be wanting to find out if the idea of giving women a few days off work for their period is simply a group of parlilmentarians being nice to women in general or if it is an expression of the far rights attitude to women and what they see as our special role is society.
I dont think it is too far a stretch to think that the same parliament that has just passed laws to jail LGBT people in order to preserve and protect traditional relations might also have strong views on what they would see as the traditional role of women in society.
From some of the videos showing crowds of people beating up LGBT people in Russia and surrounding countries, as well as the extreme repressive changes in law, it seems that we are talking about the rise of fascism in Russia.
Here is what some other right wing extremists had to say on the role of women.
Could the idea of allowing women a few days off work for their periods be the beginning of other special treatment to protect our special role.


http://http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Women_Nazi_Germany.htm

Actually it is also left agenda. Homosexuallity was punished with prison in communist Russia, neither was welcome in other communist states. Not surprisingly those countries have probably the worst attitudes to homosexuality in Europe. Not to mention that Putin rose through the ranks in KBG. I would sooner blame left totalitarian legacy.

pwurple

I would suggest those who cannot stand up or form a sentence when they are menstruating see a doctor.

That's not normal.

Honey-ec

What a load of tosh. Periods aren't a medical condition, ffs. If you're having a particularly bad one, take a sick day.

2 paid days off a month for the massive achievement of having a womb? I think not.

WindSock

Sorry Mr.Vlad I can't make it in today, the Commies have invaded and I fear I will be held hostage on the Red Square for the next couple of days at least.


Da.

Legs.Eleven

I would suggest those who cannot stand up or form a sentence when they are menstruating see a doctor.

That's not normal.

It's normal. Period pains are absolutely normal. Inconvenient but normal, unfortunately. Many women get them to varying extremes and I'm lucky compared to many. I'm perfectly healthy (doctor said so ) but for about 2 hours on the first day of my period every month or so, I'm in pain (but not dying!) but it's nothing a few ibuprofen can't fix...but that takes time to kick in.

I meant I couldn't string a sentence together because I usually couldn't sleep because it was so uncomfortable, not because it was making me unable to speak. Should've explained that.

I suppose it's a personal gripe that teaching involves being "on" and energetic and for some reason, I always get my period first thing in the morning before I get up preventing me from sleeping (and it makes me tired anyway) and it's a pain in the.....eh....vagina, I suppose.

Femme_Fatale

Two of my friends used to get horrendously ill every month - I shared a flat with one and had to bring her to the doctor one morning she was so ill. Vomiting non stop, in agony, barely able to function. The pill sorted it out for her. My other friend was diagnosed with endometriosis.

pwurple

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

It's normal. Period pains are absolutely normal. Inconvenient but normal, unfortunately. Many women get them to varying extremes and I'm lucky compared to many. I'm perfectly healthy (doctor said so ) but for about 2 hours on the first day of my period every month or so, I'm in pain (but not dying!) but it's nothing a few ibuprofen can't fix...but that takes time to kick in.

You really should not need to take painkillers every single month. Crikey that must be bad. I understand it may be how it always has been, and plenty of women do just grin and bear it instead of getting it seen to. i am telling you that most of us are not crippled by period pain. Pain is a sign something is not right. Get a second opinion, seriously. Were you checked for endometriosis that time?

Legs.Eleven

pwurple wrote: »

You really should not need to take painkillers every single month. Crikey that must be bad. I understand it may be how it always has been, and plenty of women do just grin and bear it instead of getting it seen to. i am telling you that most of us are not crippled by period pain. Pain is a sign something is not right. Get a second opinion, seriously. Were you checked for endometriosis that time?

I never said every single month though. And I'm not "crippled" with pain. It's cramps. Period pains. Uncomfortableness. I'm not disabled from it but it's not nice. You're making my symptoms out to be worse than they are in reality but unfortunately my job doesn't allow for taking it easy behind a computer. I'm grand. Nothing to worry about. It's as serious as a splitting headache for me.

whiteandlight

Lots of people need painkillers most months. My first 24 hours suck generally, cramps usually need painkillers. Second 24 hours still cramps but manageable. I am lucky in some ways though, period only lasts about 4 days. Nothing medically wrong with me. Friend of mine goes for 9+ days a month....
Pill didn't help me much. Though was on the 3 month injection for a year, that was f*king awesome-no periods at all for a year!!! Pity can't stay on it long term.


Having said all of that, still don't need two days off a month. First day would be nice but I can manage, I'm not a cripple!

sunbeam

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Two of my friends used to get horrendously ill every month - I shared a flat with one and had to bring her to the doctor one morning she was so ill. Vomiting non stop, in agony, barely able to function. The pill sorted it out for her. My other friend was diagnosed with endometriosis.

That was me in my days before the pill. The vomiting meant I couldn't even keep painkillers down most of the time and when I could they didn't do much. It was accompanied by cold sweats and severe diarrhea. The pill put and end to all of that and I dread the day I have to come off it.

mathepac

I think renaming the process would help. Mens-truation is a much more serious condition than say "lady-garden regeneration", just as 'flu is a much more bearable illness than man-flu.

Femme_Fatale

sunbeam wrote: »

That was me in my days before the pill. The vomiting meant I couldn't even keep painkillers down most of the time and when I could they didn't do much. It was accompanied by cold sweats and severe diarrhea. The pill put and end to all of that and I dread the day I have to come off it.

Unreal. It's like having a severe bout of food poisoning or something. That time I had to bring my friend to the doctor I remember she had been vomiting violently since about midnight. How the hell does the body's rejection of an unfertilised egg cause vomiting and diarrhoea?!!

banquo

On one hand, no!

On the other hand:

1) Some ladies seem to need time off then anyway, and I'd sure hate to waste my annual leave on it.

2) Most lads get manflu twice a year, so it's about fair in terms of days off.

So seems fair enough.

pwurple

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Unreal. It's like having a severe bout of food poisoning or something. That time I had to bring my friend to the doctor I remember she had been vomiting violently since about midnight. How the hell does the body's rejection of an unfertilised egg cause vomiting and diarrhoea?!!

Normally the lining of the uterus is all that is expelled. Sometimes that same tissue grows in other places, on the bowel or on muscles around the abdomen. Body tries to expel the whole lot of that other tissue, woman thinks she has irritable bowel syndrome becuase she gets vomitting and diarrhoea so often, is constipated the rest of the time, or gets that the crazy pain, sometimes even spreading to the legs.

Lining tissue (endometrium) growing in other places than the uterus is a condition called endometriosis.

Often runs in families, so mums and daughters and sisters all get the same experience.


Edit:Just wanted to add, if left untreated it can cause infertility, as it can scar fallopian tubes and other areas. If you think yu might have it, mention it to a GP.

Precious flower

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Unreal. It's like having a severe bout of food poisoning or something. That time I had to bring my friend to the doctor I remember she had been vomiting violently since about midnight. How the hell does the body's rejection of an unfertilised egg cause vomiting and diarrhoea?!!

The thing with menstrual cramps are they can vary so much between women I guess. One persons interpretation of bad menstrual cramps may be very different from anothers. Some women don't even get them at all, some women get only the odd discomfort and some get it very bad. When I explained what my menstrual cramps were to a friend, she was very taken back as hers were not nearly as bad and I don't think mine are the worse.
Usually with my periods the first two days require nurofen. Some women just have pains worse than others. I know that if I don't take nurofen in time (before the cramps really settle in) I can felt very faint and sick and there's little to do than accept wait them out with a hot water bottle. I remember one morning I woke up with bad enough pains, tried to eat breakfast and threw up. I think it's mainly that your stomach just feels unsettled. My stomach can feel off all day even with nurofen.

*Oh, pain in the legs, get that one too, that's more uncomfortable than anything, but it's annoying!

I remember in school I nearly fainted twice from the pain and had to go home. The pain can exhaust you, and I've had days were I've definitely had to drag myself out of bed for college. I can understand the poster who was talking about going to work and having to deal with students. If your stomach is at you and you're tired from the night before it's hard to stay energetic and attentive when all you want to do is lie down on the floor!:p
HOWEVER, getting bad on topic I don't think that warrants two free days off, (especially if there are women who would use it who don't have any idea what real menstrual cramps are!:p) but I mean if they're offering it, I wouldn't say no!!:p *Makes mental note to move to Russia*

pwurple

Precious flower wrote: »

(especially if there are women who would use it who don't have any idea what real menstrual cramps are!:p)

'Real' menstrual cramps are nothing like what you are describing.

Did you read my previous post?

meeeeh

I had nothing as bad as described there and there is nothing medically wrong with me. Funny enough the cramps are gone for years now but sometimes I can get a killer hangover after a glass of wine if I have it a day before my period starts. Not every time, just every so often.

seosamh1980

I always have a window of maybe 8 hours (if I don't take painkillers) where I get the leg pain and an ache across my abdomen that would make me weak, need to sit down, unable to think as clearly. Sometimes this happens in the evening, but if it happens during the workday when I need to be dealing with customers and not curled in a ball on the couch I take painkillers to get through it, this doesn't mean I need to see a doctor, any time a doctor has asked about what my cycle is like none of them have ever felt that what I experience warrants any investigation, a few hours of pain - even severe for some people - can be totally normal, same way some people get really bad headaches/migraines and others don't.

I don't have pain anywhere bad enough to need to see a doctor, it's normal for some women to have a few hours to a day or two of pain, and some of us would prefer not to start taking prescription medication that comes with many side effects to avoid a pain that sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. To be taking and paying for medication for the whole year to avoid 8-12 days of temporary pain doesn't appeal to me.

LegacyUser

pwurple wrote: »

I would suggest those who cannot stand up or form a sentence when they are menstruating see a doctor.

That's not normal.

Ahhhh. This drives me mad! You're wrong!!! Just because you have pain free periods (and I assume you do) (and I have heard this stance before) you think something must be wrong if you have painful periods.

Not everyone has the same periods you do! Women vary! A lot of women have extremely painful periods.

I thank God, seemed to grow out of it, but when I was younger: late teens, early twenties, I would literally be doubled up with pain, usually on the first day. My stomach would hurt, my whole groin would hurt, and I would have shooting pains down the tops of my thighs.

I remember literally being on the ground in a toilet at work with pain before having to go into a meeting, thinking it was so unfair I had to go through this!

Went to the doctor and there was nothing wrong.

They are not painful now I am in my late twenties thank God, but now it has changed to that I have pretty painful breast all the week before it. Still much prefer it to the way it was, that was unreal pain. Sometimes it should be accounted for and given time off for!

Malari

It would be interesting to see a poll here on how badly women suffer from period pains. Ranging from pain free or nothing a nurofen can't cure to I need a day off because I may die before bedtime.

jill_valentine

I've yet to meet anybody who has pain free periods tbh. What she's saying is that if it's painful enough to physically incapacitate you, you should definitely at least consult a doctor. Very sore and uncomfortable, take that for granted grand, but crippled with pain, regularly puking or feeling faint, that's not "normal", you don't have to live with it.

Doctors here can still be oddly coy about recommending the pill, but if your period is actually impacting your quality of life, it's definitely worth considering even for a short term.

Malari

jill_valentine wrote: »

I've yet to meet anybody who has pain free periods tbh. What she's saying is that if it's painful enough to physically incapacitate you, you should definitely at least consult a doctor. Very sore and uncomfortable, take that for granted grand, but crippled with pain, regularly puking or feeling faint, that's not "normal", you don't have to live with it.

Doctors here can still be oddly coy about recommending the pill, but if your period is actually impacting your quality of life, it's definitely worth considering even for a short term.

Nice to meet you! :-)

Seriously, once every 6 months or so I get a twinge. So if I'm at one extreme I guess it's feasible there are a few at the other.

LegacyUser

jill_valentine wrote: »

I've yet to meet anybody who has pain free periods tbh. What she's saying is that if it's painful enough to physically incapacitate you, you should definitely at least consult a doctor. Very sore and uncomfortable, take that for granted grand, but crippled with pain, regularly puking or feeling faint, that's not "normal", you don't have to live with it.

Doctors here can still be oddly coy about recommending the pill, but if your period is actually impacting your quality of life, it's definitely worth considering even for a short term.

But just to clarify, - very painful IS within the normal range of what women experience during their periods. I did go to the doctor and there was nothing wrong. I was just at that end of the spectrum. I teach and I have girls needing to go home early because of their time of the month. They are in pain, and they look very pale and sick.

Some women have very painful periods. Some women don't Painkillers are the job but I definitely would agree that there should be more support for women in taking days off if they need to.

Precious flower

pwurple wrote: »

'Real' menstrual cramps are nothing like what you are describing.

Did you read my previous post?

So, what are 'real' menstrual cramps? Everyone has different and varying degrees of period pains. Just because you feel sick and faint from pain doesn't mean you have an underlying condition. I've mentioned it to my doctor before and he didn't seem concerned. Granted if you were bleeding quite heavily and couldn't get up from the bed due to pain, then you need to go see a doctor. My pains just happen to be worse than other friends and I've friends who have pains and other symptoms similar to mine.

sam34

Malari wrote: »

Nice to meet you! :-)

Seriously, once every 6 months or so I get a twinge. So if I'm at one extreme I guess it's feasible there are a few at the other.

ditto. I have very light and painless periods. hardly notice them, tbh. before I was on hormonal contraception they were heavy but still not painful.

pwurple

Precious flower wrote: »

So, what are 'real' menstrual cramps? Everyone has different and varying degrees of period pains. Just because you feel sick and faint from pain doesn't mean you have an underlying condition. I've mentioned it to my doctor before and he didn't seem concerned. Granted if you were bleeding quite heavily and couldn't get up from the bed due to pain, then you need to go see a doctor. My pains just happen to be worse than other friends and I've friends who have pains and other symptoms similar to mine.

I'm sure you do have friends with a similar experience, it's not rare, despite hardly anyone knowing about it. An estimated 6-10% of the female population have it.

The rough theory is that it's a fairly modern phenomenon for us to go decade after decade of menstruation with no letup or break for pregnancy or breastfeeding. Hence that tissue is more likely to spread outwards in the body.... unproven theory, but there you go.

I would say if you feel sick and faint from pain there is almost certainly something up. Menstrual cramps are the odd twinge, should not be painful. I usually wear pads for a few days before my dates, as I don't notice when it starts.


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seosamh1980

pwurple wrote: »

I would say if you feel sick and faint from pain there is almost certainly something up.

There isn't always something up! Just because it's unusual to you doesn't mean there's something wrong with somebody else if it happens them. Yes if somebody is very sick, faint or in a lot of pain for a long time of it, but many women just get bad pain for a few hours etc, on one day of it. Diet, weight, stress, etc can all affect it and change it, and for some women it just hurts, that's it. Some women have very heavy periods for no reason, some have light ones, it doesn't mean every single one of them has a medical condition causing it, it's just the way they are.

miezekatze

2 days off every month is probably a bit much, but I think it would be nice if women got a few extra sick days a year. I only get 4 paid sick days a year where I work, and they are generally all used for bad periods. If I have a cold/flu or anything else, I usually go to work anyway as that's not as bad as a bad period.

pwurple

seosamh1980 wrote: »

There isn't always something up! Just because it's unusual to you doesn't mean there's something wrong with somebody else if it happens them. Yes if somebody is very sick, faint or in a lot of pain for a long time of it, but many women just get bad pain for a few hours etc, on one day of it. Diet, weight, stress, etc can all affect it and change it, and for some women it just hurts, that's it. Some women have very heavy periods for no reason, some have light ones, it doesn't mean every single one of them has a medical condition causing it, it's just the way they are.

I didn't say 'always'. I said 'almost certainly'. I was also responding directly to the girl who is faint, gets sick and gets pains in her legs. That's no way to be going on. Sympathy is all well and good, but when it might be something treatable...

I dunno. We all have different attitudes to health. Some people like a bit of sympathising, holding hands, drinking tea and an ould moan about pains. I prefer to tinker about and fix the problem. It's the engineer in me.


Either way, I'm just putting the information out there. People can take it, or leave it.

sunbeam

I don't have endometriosis. I do have PCOS but that's a discussion for another thread.

My cramps when I had them were severe, but relatively short lived lasting on average 'only' two to three hours. No shooting pains down my legs or back.

A friend of mine had cramps so bad she used to pass out. She spent 20 pain free years on the pill and when she came off her periods returned without any pain at all. She doesn't have endometriosis either. (She is undergoing various tests in preparation for IVF at present and there is no sign of it.)

ash23

Two of my sisters had very bad periods. One when she was younger and she was put on the pill at 13 and had a couple of D&Cs. Another suffered for years and years despite being in and out of the GP and hospital. She had a baby and now she's fine.


There was no cause for either of their problems but there was treatment which helped. And I know that when either of them were very sick they would be able to get a sick cert for work as the GP had a long documented record of their problems and knew they weren't faking it.

So while I do believe some women need time off due to menstrual problems, there's no need for it to be an automatic right. Thankfully I never get pain (although I am a bit moody the day before). In fact I get far more pain during ovulation than menstruation.

Anyway, many women don't menstruate due to contraception, many don't have pain or have very little so there is little to no point automatically giving leave to every woman and it would be sexist to do so. Like, do you have to take in proof of menstruation to prove it?

A GP would most likely give a cert to someone who is suffering very badly with their periods so it shouldn't be automatic.

Precious flower

pwurple wrote: »

I didn't say 'always'. I said 'almost certainly'. I was also responding directly to the girl who is faint, gets sick and gets pains in her legs. That's no way to be going on. Sympathy is all well and good, but when it might be something treatable...

I dunno. We all have different attitudes to health. Some people like a bit of sympathising, holding hands, drinking tea and an ould moan about pains. I prefer to tinker about and fix the problem. It's the engineer in me.


Either way, I'm just putting the information out there. People can take it, or leave it.

You know, to be fair to you, I get what you're saying and I had a look at it and I have to say a lot of the symptoms are something that I get. I'll keep an eye on it, but since only 5-10% of the population are affected by it, I don't think it's that especially since my menstrual cycle is quite regular and not heavy, although the other symptoms are all things I can say happen to me. I'd be fairly reluctant to go to the doctor though since the thought of a physical exam down there is something I would be too scaredy-cat to get done!!:pac:

Tigger99

Ah god precious flower. Believe me I hate physical exams but they are nothing compared to crippling periods. Imagine you found out in 5 years that the pain you went through was avoidable if you'd gone to the Doc earlier?