The Pat Kenny Show

LambshankRedemption

Prof Luke O'Neill: "Once we get people back to the office."

Further proof Luke O'Neill does not inhabit the same planet as the rest of us.

Funnily enough the previous segment was about housing in Dublin, and the one before that was about the (proposed/planned)Metro line.

zell12

540k folk WFH mostly office staff, ~20% total workforce which is huge %! Ten years ago, WFH was a 'what is that?'

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123260440#Comment_123260440

Progress is great!

pc7

Is Pat unwell? seems to be gone a while?

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123277777#Comment_123277777

I'd imagine only a 2 week holiday. Ivan knew last week he was in again this week.

whisky_galore

For someone who hates this awful antisemitic hell hole, she can't get enough airtime here.

Pdoghue

Interesting to hear Ivan on Newstalk this week.

As other posters mentioned above, I have listened to him on the 'Path to Power' podcast with Matt Cooper, and he definitely has a sneaking regard for Trump. I think Ivan is like a lot of people who are so called anti-woke - they admire Trump because they see him as a figurehead in the fight against wokeness, and are willing to give Trump a pass on everything else a result. I've been waiting to see what line Trump would cross before Ivan would start to disagree with him, but not yet. Witness Ivan only half-joking about Musk and DOGE and how we should apply it to our public/civil service, or equivocating about the war in Ukraine. Will be interesting to see what happens when Trump starts pushing back against the courts and a constitutional crisis ensues. Remember, Ivan is a former government minister in this state - will he support someone trying to subvert another state?

He was good around the time of the election forecasting who would win seats etc. but I've stopped listening to the podcast as I just can't take Ivan seriously now. He may genuinely hold the same views and outlook as Trump (worrying) or he's being disengenous and trolling Matt and the listeners for the sake of it.

LambshankRedemption

Ivan: How does someone get in contact with you?

Caller: Well, erm, join founders.co

FFS. Considering her reason for being on the show was to promote the organisation she could have done better than "well erm" and then mangling the URL. It's like she wasnt expecting the question.

It's joinfounders.co

Initially I thought she said "Join founders.co", as in join the group on founders.co.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123280800#Comment_123280800

No where there have you said that Ivan expressed agreement with Trump on anything. You seem to be saying he has a regard for Trump because he doesn't do the boring hate speech on Trump which Pat Kenny and Matt Cooper are continuing with ( UK media have long moved on from this approach).

Ivan has been having genuine discussions on matters related to Trump free of the hysterics. Domestic matters in foreign countries is usually not something Irish journalists should comment on. America is a foreign country and the same rules apply. Domestic matters are a matter for them. Ivan Yates understands this.

Ivan reflects where the majority of sensible Irish people are - we don't hate or nor like Trump and we're only interested matters that affect ourselves.

2smiggy

there is a veen diagram of trump and mcgregor supporters in this country, it's a circle. that's all you need to know about both of them. avoid like the plague

Pdoghue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281303#Comment_123281303

Bizarre! Have you been writing to Irish journalists asking them to refrain from commenting on domestic matters in foreign countries?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281386#Comment_123281386

It's common sense not to comment on domestic matters in foreign countries.

I notice the Trump haters aren't saying much this time around about his immigration policies given our own mess around refugees and societal unease about it. On Ukraine, Ireland hasn't provided one cent for military assistance and won't commit to any EU army. So the Trump haters don't know what to say on that one either.

I guess Ivan just reflects a self awareness of our own problems and doesn't want to moralise about anyone else.

Pdoghue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281509#Comment_123281509

I think JD Vance or Elon Musk might have an issue with that - freedom of speech and all that.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281383#Comment_123281383

Mcgregor is a scumbag and a national disgrace. I have no issue and nor does Ivan saying that because Mcgregor is Irish. If you "support" a US president whether it's Trump or Obama or whoever and you're Irish and don't live in America, then there's something wrong with you.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281553#Comment_123281553

I worked in the US and always took an interest in their politics but I now live in Ireland.

Where can I get cured ? 🙂

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281553#Comment_123281553

i've no support for any US president, but trump is a rapist, like mcgregor, and you seem to have a great admiration for trump. very odd. hopefully never have any interactions with people like that in daily life

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281795#Comment_123281795

Personalised pathetic rubbish, full of aggression.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281553#Comment_123281553

I would agree with this because I remember there was Irish people living in Ireland using the hashtag notmypresident when Trump was elected for his first term. Getting caught up in the hysteria of it all.

Very few of those crowd in America Republican/Democrat would get elected in Ireland in my opinion.

I looking on American politics and its divisions as a study in the human condition. I would only really care about it if it affects Irish interests.

Trump parading McGregor who was convicted of sexual assault in a civil case. Plays well with his “anti-establishment” young male voters who get most of their information from Joe Rogan podcasts.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281833#Comment_123281833

Yep, Democratic politicians come across just as nutty and at times nuttier than Republicans. I do recall the notmypresident thing, the same crowd who tcall older Irish people boomers, even though we didn't have a baby boom then. Stupidity is widespread

zell12

There are people even arguing that someone only got elected TD on the seventh count, as though it matters.

We have boomers in Ireland too - the ones who got cheaper property 😚

How do we get Ivan back fulltime? He's a breath of fresh air

Cole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281883#Comment_123281883

How do we get Ivan back fulltime? He's a breath of fresh air

How do we get rid of him? A yawnfest

Each to their own, but I just find him tedious. It's the same old 'straight talking non pc' shtick…yawn. Anything beyond (domestic) politics and sport, and he seems to have pretty limited knowledge/clueless.

The show over the last week or so is just dull - I've gone over to Claire Byrne. Even with Pat's obsession with all things Trump, I'll be glad when he's back.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282296#Comment_123282296

I don't mind him on the podcast with Matt Cooper and on his calling it podcast for the last election. But in both cases that's because he's being handled by the other host. Being left on his own, no thanks.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281883#Comment_123281883

The only people who got cheap property in Ireland was the few people who bought during the last recession from 2009 to 2015.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282708#Comment_123282708

Average house price per decade according to cso: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-ieu50/irelandandtheeuat50/economy/residentialpropertyprices/

I've also included the average earnings per week as per irish times article here: https://archive.is/T0pPu Based on my sketchy readings of the midway point of the decade on the chart.

1970s: €14k ish for house, €100 per week average earnings. House = 140 weeks pay

1980s: €45k ish, €210 per week average earnings. House = 214 weeks pay.

1990s: €88k ish, €350 per week average earnings. House = 251 weeks pay.

2000s: €267k ish, €600 per week average. House = 445 weeks pay.

2010s: €244k ish, €675 per week average. House = 361 weeks pay.

June 2023: €318k, €810 per week average. House = 392 weeks pay.

So while you can say that people buying after the crash were paying less than people buying in Celtic tiger times, it's an absolute fallacy to say that houses weren't cheaper in the past.

I've said this before elsewhere, but of my parents and aunts/uncles, only 1 couple had both working and only 1 uncle would be in the well to do professions. Everyone else had normal working class jobs in factories, manufacturing, stuff like that. All were able to build houses, buy houses and extend houses. None of this would be possible now.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282786#Comment_123282786

Ireland was a very poor country up til the 1990s. Comparing the 1970s with now doesn't stack up because it's two completely different countries. Whilst it may have been cheaper to buy a house in the 70s, large council estates were still being built in this era and generally the country was poor with second level education only being introduced in 1967. Leaving school early was still common in the 70s. Huge amounts of Irish people living in council housing until the 1980s, not being home owners at all.

The figures above don't reflect the very high interest rates that existed until the 1990s, levels of around 15% in the 1980s for example.

The Troubles in the North were at their height in the 70s and there was many bombs in the rest of the island. Forced emigration was common and alcoholism was rife. And the Church was dominant. So I look at the total picture when I compare the past with now. And I would much prefer to live now and deal with high property prices.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282829#Comment_123282829

Do you own a house?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282963#Comment_123282963

We don't personalise things here. And people can own a flat/apartment. That's why it's usually called a property now. Another change with the 70s - people can have more choice now particularly given the diversified society we have now.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282786#Comment_123282786

Don't forget inflation (~10% annually in early '80s), that wiped down mortgage repayments with huge interest rates attached

zell12

Israeli ambassador was on again 20/03, talking to Ivan

https://www.newstalk.com/news/strikes-on-gaza-needed-due-to-hamas-violation-of-ceasefire-israeli-ambassador-2146934

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282296#Comment_123282296

I only like listening to Ivan when he is .”let loose” on politicians during election time. That is when he comes into his own.

Sometimes I get the impression Pat knows more about sport than Ivan! Ivan just likes the wind up.

Pat definitely has a wider breath of knowledge, than many people in general in fairness. The real question is how to stop Pat talking about Trump? Lot’s of messages about planning permission/engineering issues maybe?