Destruction in Hartstown

ozmo

J.P.M wrote: »

I tried but got no support, as this thread shows. The planning notice was hidden away in a spot where noone would have seen it

If thats so - that would have been reason enough to have the pp denied had anyone objected. Most likely just delayed though.
I know personally one development that was denied planning because the sign was too far back from the road to read easily.

wildlifeboy

Gaspode wrote: »

@JPM, just a little tip for when you want to reply to several posts - click the Multi-Quote button (has a set of inverted commas and a plus sign) on each one you want to respond to, and the Quick Reply button on the last one. It'll make it much easier and quicker for you to respond.

J.P.M wrote: »

The path never extened across because the land was owned by the school and they would not allow it. That area was always tidy as it was maintained by the school, It was the area behind it you mentioned and that is down to Fingal and the residents. Even areas that have been rezoned still have bad fly tipping. So yeah lets build a big apartment block on it!

Now you will have to pass gangs of lads bottle necking the path, no escape lol.

never knew that

Gaspode

I dont know why you needed support JPM - every citizen is entitled to object by themselves, you just outline your reasons for objecting and submit them to the council. (and pay your 20 quid!) I've objected to a couple of things, and the planning people are quite pleasant to deal with.

January

I really don't see the big deal about this. You're making a mountain out of molehill...

I drove past today and they are starting to build the wall around it. You'd swear they were knocking down houses to build it.

ozmo

January wrote: »

I really don't see the big deal about this. You're making a mountain out of molehill...

Always sad to see green spaces go - I'm not familiar with that park - but I'd hate for any of our estate green spaces to be closed off for general usage - but it could be worse - its still going to be green space - just maybe not as accessible as it was. and it looks like its going to good new use...

But I'd keep an eye out for planning if/when they decide they to build a roof over it to make it all weather hall thing if you are concerned about the building aspect of it...

You could also look into "Right of Way" rights - it might still possible to challenge them to need leave a passage open if its blocking off some walking routes - again I'm not familiar with how it was - but I understand why you would be annoyed.

J.P.M

Gaspode wrote: »

@JPM, just a little tip for when you want to reply to several posts - click the Multi-Quote button (has a set of inverted commas and a plus sign) on each one you want to respond to, and the Quick Reply button on the last one. It'll make it much easier and quicker for you to respond.

Thanks Gaspode. I am a long time reader but short term poster. This is much appreciated:)

ozmo wrote: »

If thats so - that would have been reason enough to have the pp denied had anyone objected. Most likely just delayed though.
I know personally one development that was denied planning because the sign was too far back from the road to read easily.

As I said to Gaspode. I was not well up on planning laws but I do agree the notice was in a sneaky place.

wildlifeboy wrote: »

never knew that

Me too. We both learned something today, which is good:)

Gaspode wrote: »

I dont know why you needed support JPM - every citizen is entitled to object by themselves, you just outline your reasons for objecting and submit them to the council. (and pay your 20 quid!) I've objected to a couple of things, and the planning people are quite pleasant to deal with.

I did't have a clue of what it entailed to be honest. I spoke to neighbours but they were not interested at all. Then it got forgotten about until now. I am reading up more on planning permissions. Again, thanks for the info.

January wrote: »

I really don't see the big deal about this. You're making a mountain out of molehill...

I drove past today and they are starting to build the wall around it. You'd swear they were knocking down houses to build it.

Myabe, but molehills grow out of control. I don't wish a mole in your backyard

Taking them long enough for a simple one block wall with cappings and railings I think we have enough houses in the area in my opinion.

ozmo wrote: »

Always sad to see green spaces go - I'm not familiar with that park - but I'd hate for any of our estate green spaces to be closed off for general usage - but it could be worse - its still going to be green space - just maybe not as accessible as it was. and it looks like its going to good new use...


But I'd keep an eye out for planning if/when they decide they to build a roof over it to make it all weather hall thing if you are concerned about the building aspect of it...

You could also look into "Right of Way" rights - it might still possible to challenge them to need leave a passage open if its blocking off some walking routes - again I'm not familiar with how it was - but I understand why you would be annoyed.

I just wish they had of built the railings behind the trees perimeter. Then maybe I good live with it.

I don't think a roof will be built as it, as far as I have heard will be used as a running track but that is hearsay. The shcool always used it as a running track so I can't see why they would wall it off.


I am not sure of "Right of Way" as the land is owned by the school and I have heard some ridiculous claims about it the last few days!

They are building a path between the shcool and the area itself that will allow a short cut that will be open from 8am to 5.30am but again that is hearsay and will only really benefit parents that have chidren at the school to avoid the bottle neck at collection times but not by very much.

The area will be a now go area(at peak times) for anyone unless you have to collect a child from school.


The past few nights I have experiened the bottle neck, with gangs of youths, dog walkers and lads on thier bikes all trying to use the tiny path!

Maybe they are as angry as I am and see it as their right to use that path without regard for anyone else!

So I now take the less scenic route and go the long way:)

Yellowblackbird

January wrote: »

I really don't see the big deal about this.

That's because you don't put a value on space.

The simple lack-of-anything, empty, nothingness of pure space. You can never get enough of it. In an office full of people, in a busy suburb a little less clutter a little more room has a great value. In our urban sprawl we have to fill in every last square. We have to concrete over every blade of grass.

What your building might have many benefits and advantages but never forget that having nothing there at all is a resource and a prize.

January

Move to the country then... I do put a value on space but when the choice is between an open park that people can use as a short cut to get to the shops or a building where children can do P.E. in a safe, dry environment, then I'll pick the building every time. Especially, as I pointed out before, with the Irish weather. Can you imagine a group of kids doing exercise out in that rain today?

There's no shortage of green space in Hartstown, it may not be as close to his front door as J.P.M. would like but it's still there.

Yellowblackbird

It would be better for the kids to play football out in the air. It did no harm to the previous several hundred generations. While their at it they should get off their lazy arses and walk to school.

Urban areas don't have to be unpleasant to live in - with a fk off to the country side if you don't like it attitude.

ozmo

Its not a building- its the railing off of an area previously accessable to the public.

dodzy

Railings done. Contractor coming in to plough the land this week and resow the lawn apparently.

J.P.M

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

That's because you don't put a value on space.

The simple lack-of-anything, empty, nothingness of pure space. You can never get enough of it. In an office full of people, in a busy suburb a little less clutter a little more room has a great value. In our urban sprawl we have to fill in every last square. We have to concrete over every blade of grass.

What your building might have many benefits and advantages but never forget that having nothing there at all is a resource and a prize.

At least someone see the value of it. Thanks.

January wrote: »

Move to the country then... I do put a value on space but when the choice is between an open park that people can use as a short cut to get to the shops or a building where children can do P.E. in a safe, dry environment, then I'll pick the building every time. Especially, as I pointed out before, with the Irish weather. Can you imagine a group of kids doing exercise out in that rain today?

There's no shortage of green space in Hartstown, it may not be as close to his front door as J.P.M. would like but it's still there.

January that is the attitude that I find appalling. I would like you to move off this thread but is that going to happen? The area is just an open space with railings around it, it looks very classy. There will be no roof so the kids won't be able to use it when it rains.
The shortcut was never really my issue!

I am sick of the do gooders. Everything is but.....

dodzy wrote: »

Railings done. Contractor coming in to plough the land this week and resow the lawn apparently.

That is great news isnt it?


I have been abused by a cyclist that thought it was his right to cycle on the path while I waiting for a bus.

Dog owners that think it is ok to take up the path with leads full of dogs.

It really is a joke.

Last night I was harrased at the spot where the new gate is, it is a blindspot. Three lads hanging out in it. I was asked for a smoke and I said I don't have one to spare. I kept walking half way up the path and I was shouted at and abused.Then they started to follow me and kept shouting abuse. I felt very imtimidated.
They followed me to the garage. When I came out they were gone.

First time in this area I have ever been imtimidated like that. So be warned walking that path, the recessed area of the gate will become a scumbag hangout.

I also noticed that the main path is in a bad state all cracked and broken from the bad snow we had and how long ago was that? It is really a saftey concern. So I urge you all to make this an issue. It is also prone to folling the sate it is in.

Moonbeam

I think that it is great news that they are extending the school again. I was in the original school and the 1st extension and it was an is a brilliant school.
Back then we had 3 classes of each class with over 40 in each class so if loosing a bit of the field beside it means smaller classes and a good education for the younger kids I personally support it.

dodzy

J.P.M wrote: »

At least someone see the value of it. Thanks.



January that is the attitude that I find appalling. I would like you to move off this thread but is that going to happen? The area is just an open space with railings around it, it looks very classy. There will be no roof so the kids won't be able to use it when it rains.
The shortcut was never really my issue!

I am sick of the do gooders. Everything is but.....




That is great news isnt it?


I have been abused by a cyclist that thought it was his right to cycle on the path while I waiting for a bus.

Dog owners that think it is ok to take up the path with leads full of dogs.

It really is a joke.

Last night I was harrased at the spot where the new gate is, it is a blindspot. Three lads hanging out in it. I was asked for a smoke and I said I don't have one to spare. I kept walking half way up the path and I was shouted at and abused.Then they started to follow me and kept shouting abuse. I felt very imtimidated.
They followed me to the garage. When I came out they were gone.

First time in this area I have ever been imtimidated like that. So be warned walking that path, the recessed area of the gate will become a scumbag hangout.

I also noticed that the main path is in a bad state all cracked and broken from the bad snow we had and how long ago was that? It is really a saftey concern. So I urge you all to make this an issue. It is also prone to folling the sate it is in.

The best thing you could do is lock yourself into your house, wrap yourself in cotton wool, pull the blinds and turn off all the lights. Dont watch TV. Maybe a tin foil hat too.

Gaspode

OK guys less of the personal stuff - focus on the post, not the poster.

I will have to close the thread if this keeps up

ozmo

J.P.M wrote: »

Yep I am miffed.The walk to the shop was nice, now it is just an eyesore

So - any photos?

ongarboy

Passed by it this morning and see a rather flattering low wall with mounted railings cordoning off but not blocking the view of a green area with mature trees and I think it compliments the streetscape quite well. I'm now even more confused by OP's assertion of destruction!

Chocolate

ongarboy wrote: »

Passed by it this morning and see a rather flattering low wall with mounted railings cordoning off but not blocking the view of a green area with mature trees and I think it compliments the streetscape quite well. I'm now even more confused by OP's assertion of destruction!

Me too! I did a detour especially to see this "destruction" and actually think it looks quite well so far!

TheBandicoot

The other day(Thursday) there was a funeral in the church and there were cars parked all over the grass, inside and outside the railings, as well as along the road, blocking the bus stops(the bus I was on had to let a wheelchair passenger off on the grass). That's real destruction right there, especially with the rain at the time.

J.P.M

Moonbeam wrote: »

I think that it is great news that they are extending the school again. I was in the original school and the 1st extension and it was an is a brilliant school.
Back then we had 3 classes of each class with over 40 in each class so if loosing a bit of the field beside it means smaller classes and a good education for the younger kids I personally support it.

It is not classroom space.

dodzy wrote: »

The best thing you could do is lock yourself into your house, wrap yourself in cotton wool, pull the blinds and turn off all the lights. Dont watch TV. Maybe a tin foil hat too.

Yep I think I will. Better of to be blind than care.

ozmo wrote: »

So - any photos?

Why would I take photos of an eyesore?

ongarboy wrote: »

Passed by it this morning and see a rather flattering low wall with mounted railings cordoning off but not blocking the view of a green area with mature trees and I think it compliments the streetscape quite well. I'm now even more confused by OP's assertion of destruction!

Flattering railings. ha ha

Chocolate wrote: »

Me too! I did a detour especially to see this "destruction" and actually think it looks quite well so far!

I hope the contrusction did not detour you too much. It is a great sight and we should be proud of it!

TheBandicoot wrote: »

The other day(Thursday) there was a funeral in the church and there were cars parked all over the grass, inside and outside the railings, as well as along the road, blocking the bus stops(the bus I was on had to let a wheelchair passenger off on the grass). That's real destruction right there, especially with the rain at the time.

The real fun begins this week when all the kids are back in school.


Well it is nice to know no one gives a crap.I have lost all faith in this area!

January

Ah give it up, you're flogging a dead horse now.

KGLady

J.P.M wrote: »

Well it is nice to know no one gives a crap.I have lost all faith in this area!

Significant difference between not giving a crap about the area, and not sharing your personal opinion. At the end of the day if its their land and they secured planning permission, your opinion on the matter no longer has a voice in any relevant forum.

J.P.M

January wrote: »

Ah give it up, you're flogging a dead horse now.

Yep. Learned a lot from this forum and even more about...

J.P.M

KGLady wrote: »

Significant difference between not giving a crap about the area, and not sharing your personal opinion. At the end of the day if its their land and they secured planning permission, your opinion on the matter no longer has a voice in any relevant forum.

I think my opinion has been shared throughout this thread!

Yet your voice does?

I think it was clear that I was flogging a dead horse, so I gave up on my quest a few weeks back.

Also gave up on this community a few Weeks back too.


CLOSE THIS THREAD SOMEONE?

dodzy

J.P.M wrote: »

CLOSE THIS THREAD SOMEONE?

Please:cool:

Gaspode

J.P.M wrote: »

Also gave up on this community a few Weeks back too.

You've given up too easily, this community has a lot to offer (besides differing points of view!) Stick around you never know what you'll learn.