Destruction in Hartstown

J.P.M

St. Ciaran's school Hartstown are reclaiming land. What a sad day this is. Once a nice open area will now be fenced in and creating a bottle neck at school collection times.

This was a very pleasant open area of Hartstown.

This new development will be an eyesore to all concerned and for most just a nice pleasant shortcut. Classroom space and a playground.

From what I have been told the trees will stay. Just wait until some little brat climbs the trees and get hurt. Health and safety Police in! Trees gone!

This is a sad day. I wish People of Hartstown had of kicked up a bit more. Shame on you!

We are being boxed in. Might as well move to Tyrrelstown.

ozmo

any details? maps etc?

Kev.

J.P.M wrote: »

St. Ciaran's school Hartstown are reclaiming land. What a sad day this is. Once a nice open area will now be fenced in and creating a bottle neck at school collection times.

This was a very pleasant open area of Hartstown.

This new development will be an eyesore to all concerned and for most just a nice pleasant shortcut. Classroom space and a playground.

From what I have been told the trees will stay. Just wait until some little brat climbs the trees and get hurt. Health and safety Police in! Trees gone!

This is a sad day. I wish People of Hartstown had of kicked up a bit more. Shame on you!

We are being boxed in. Might as well move to Tyrrelstown.

I can understand your concerns but surely the education of all our children is more important than an open space,

For now the trees are staying,I wouldn't be too worried about it,there are more important things in life..

J.P.M

A map would not really explain it. you would have to see it.

J.P.M

Kev. wrote: »

I can understand your concerns but surely the education of all our children is more important than an open space,

For now the trees are staying,I wouldn't be too worried about it,there are more important things in life..

It is such a small space and one many enjoy. Yes education is important but not at the expense of everyone else. That will be one to tell them when they are growing up, "we can't go out and play football with you, cause there is no room"

Trust me I can see the trees going.

dickwod1

This is the location of the field ... there putting a fence around it at the moment

Blanchguy

The whole field or just the part between the school and the road where there are no footpaths?

ciaran76

Hope this link works.

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=FW11A/0077&theTabNo=8

ThisRegard

J.P.M wrote: »

We are being boxed in. Might as well move to Tyrrelstown.

Eh, apart from your weird rant about the increase in class room space, wtf has that sentence got to do with anything ?

Gaspode

OP I dont think there's any need for snide remarks about Tyrellstown

Godge

Reading the planning application and looking at the map, am I right in thinking that only part of the open space is being taken and that the part that is being taken will be used to build sports facilities?

Gaspode

Just looked at the planning maps and seriously, there's green areas all around there, one directly in front of the area involved in the planning. I think OP you're over-reacting a tad here.

J.P.M

Gaspode wrote: »

Just looked at the planning maps and seriously, there's green areas all around there, one directly in front of the area involved in the planning. I think OP you're over-reacting a tad here.

If enough money is thrown at it then no where is safe

J.P.M

Gaspode wrote: »

OP I dont think there's any need for snide remarks about Tyrellstown

It was not a snide remark, Just an obsevation. No offence meant.

J.P.M

ThisRegard wrote: »

Eh, apart from your weird rant about the increase in class room space, wtf has that sentence got to do with anything ?

Call it what you will, but I got it wrong, it's sports facilities now:rolleyes:

It does not change the outcome.

No disrepect meant about Tyrrelstown. We looked at properties there a few times back in the day, but found it to much of a maze. It was just my opinion. Sorry.

J.P.M

dickwod1 wrote: »

This is the location of the field ... there putting a fence around it at the moment

And That is the problem with maps! It is just not a field!

J.P.M

Blanchguy wrote: »

The whole field or just the part between the school and the road where there are no footpaths?

It is not a field and the footpath that now will be a bottle neck will need to be seriously adressed. It has not been maintained since it craked up due to the snow we had. How long ago was it?

J.P.M

dickwod1 wrote: »

This is the location of the field ... there putting a fence around it at the moment

You make it sound like its not a problem lol

J.P.M

ciaran76 wrote: »

Hope this link works.

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=FW11A/0077&theTabNo=8

Planning permission or not, does not make it right. Sports facilities yeah right! we have enough of those.

ongarboy

Isn't there plenty of open green space in Hartstown park? It takes at least an hour to walk the entire perimeter of that park so no shortage of green space in my opinion.

J.P.M

ongarboy wrote: »

Isn't there plenty of open green space in Hartstown park? It takes at least an hour to walk the entire perimeter of that park so no shortage of green space in my opinion.

Oh yeah there is sports facilities in Hartstown park as well. By day inconsiderate dog owners letting them **** everywhere and after dark the scumbags arrive. I am talking about a walk around the block and now it is blocked by this.

An hour to get round the park? are you slow walking?

ciaran76

I lived in Hartstown from 1985 to 2000 and if I go with your view the whole place has been destructed.
When I went to that school we had no facilities at all so I am happy the kids have something now.

To be honest I think you are over reacting. I remember when that area you are talking about actually housed a prefab church for years.

Hartstown park is pretty big if you walk the perimeter path inside down past Woodvale and Huntstown too.

J.P.M

ciaran76 wrote: »

I lived in Hartstown from 1985 to 2000 and if I go with your view the whole place has been destructed.
When I went to that school we had no facilities at all so I am happy the kids have something now.

To be honest I think you are over reacting. I remember when that area you are talking about actually housed a prefab church for years.

Hartstown park is pretty big if you walk the perimeter path inside down past Woodvale and Huntstown too.

It will be part of the school. I don't think that will make any of the kids happy. Hartstown park also used to have a house but they knocked that down.

I think everyone is under reacting

January

No, it's definitely you overreacting...

With the bad weather in Ireland, indoor sports facilities are a great thing to have.

There are plenty of green areas around the school for you and your family to kick a ball around in if you need to.

Kev.

J.P.M wrote: »

I think everyone is under reacting

I think your over reacting..

nikpmup

Tbh, I think the green area to the rear of where they're digging is constantly littered and dirty looking - if a school facility takes it over at least there's some chance it'll look tidier! There's oodles of green space around, it's across the road from hartstown park and only a short spin/walk to millennium park for smaller kids. I've only ever seen that space be used as a shortcut to the garage/shops from the meadows estate behind it, rarely to I see it being used as a facility in itself, and if the fencing is anything to go by, there's still a big space left behind.

ciaran76

J.P.M wrote: »

It will be part of the school. I don't think that will make any of the kids happy. Hartstown park also used to have a house but they knocked that down.

I think everyone is under reacting

Have you seen the size of the PE hall in St Ciarans? Its tiny. There is a need for a better sport facility for the school considering they have many teams like football/GAA/Basketball etc.

Its not always good weather so the kids need a place to train.
I don't know how this cannot be seen as a good thing.


The house in Hartsown park was falling into ruins when I moved there. Lots of teenagers used to be over there drinking etc at night so it became a no go area.
Yes it would have been lovely to keep if the Council had decided to invest but they didnt.

Larbre34

Most of what is currently fenced off is working space and a safety cordon, I dont think its going to make an earth shattering difference to the amount of local open space when you consider the Park and the open land between the various estates. This part of Dublin 15 will still be one of the best served with recreational land

Gaspode

There were no objections placed to the planning prmission application - that was the time to express your opinions as to why the area shouldn't be closed off, not when permission has already been granted and work is commencing.

Morag

Sounds like someone is miffed they will have to detour around the new fencing on their way to the pub or shop.

ozmo

J.P.M wrote: »

It is such a small space and one many enjoy. Yes education is important but not at the expense of everyone else. That will be one to tell them when they are growing up, "we can't go out and play football with you, cause there is no room"

Trust me I can see the trees going.

If I were a resident there I would be insisting that the properly protect the trees they are supposed to be saving...

In our estate all the trees were damaged by road works - we lost several 300 year old trees - mosty by driving and parking tractors on the roots


All the main roots are barly under the surface of the ground and extend out very far. Any damage and they tend to die a few years after the building.

Here's an idea of the absolute mininum distance they should be marking off as a no-go area if they really intend to keep the trees... Really it should be much more.



(Image is of some other country doing it right)

Omackeral

Can I ask what house was ever in Hartstown Park and where was it located? I've lived literally beside the park in a corner house since '85 and know nothing of this.

ozmo

Omackeral wrote: »

Can I ask what house was ever in Hartstown Park and where was it located? I've lived literally beside the park in a corner house since '85 and know nothing of this.

You can see it on the 1920's maps - and also on the early 1800's maps here link
Its seems just slightly north of the area being built on.

fletch

ozmo wrote: »

You can see it on the 1920's maps - and also on the early 1800's maps here link
Its seems just slightly north of the area being built on.

Wow I'm nearly 30yrs living in Hartstown and I don't remember it! What year was it knocked down?

J.P.M

January wrote: »

No, it's definitely you overreacting...

With the bad weather in Ireland, indoor sports facilities are a great thing to have.

There are plenty of green areas around the school for you and your family to kick a ball around in if you need to.

Ahh yeah blame the weather!

J.P.M

Gaspode wrote: »

There were no objections placed to the planning prmission application - that was the time to express your opinions as to why the area shouldn't be closed off, not when permission has already been granted and work is commencing.

The notice was concealed on the ever open gate at the school, so most people did not see it.

J.P.M

nikpmup wrote: »

Tbh, I think the green area to the rear of where they're digging is constantly littered and dirty looking - if a school facility takes it over at least there's some chance it'll look tidier! There's oodles of green space around, it's across the road from hartstown park and only a short spin/walk to millennium park for smaller kids. I've only ever seen that space be used as a shortcut to the garage/shops from the meadows estate behind it, rarely to I see it being used as a facility in itself, and if the fencing is anything to go by, there's still a big space left behind.

I am sure the area you are talking about will be tidied up when theland is re zoned and built on.

Yes most use it as a shortcut and it was a pleasent one too. I guess you are calling people who appreciate the beauty of it lazy?

J.P.M

ciaran76 wrote: »

Have you seen the size of the PE hall in St Ciarans? Its tiny. There is a need for a better sport facility for the school considering they have many teams like football/GAA/Basketball etc.

Its not always good weather so the kids need a place to train.
I don't know how this cannot be seen as a good thing.


The house in Hartsown park was falling into ruins when I moved there. Lots of teenagers used to be over there drinking etc at night so it became a no go area.
Yes it would have been lovely to keep if the Council had decided to invest but they didnt.

I don't care about the size of the PE hall. Why not use Hartstoen park. The house was in ruins but is gone and still the scumbags drink there.

J.P.M

Larbre34 wrote: »

Most of what is currently fenced off is working space and a safety cordon, I dont think its going to make an earth shattering difference to the amount of local open space when you consider the Park and the open land between the various estates. This part of Dublin 15 will still be one of the best served with recreational land

That is the Passive kind of attitude that has this country in the state we are in now. Take away major amounts from us and then its ok to take the simple pleasures and no one bats an eyelid

J.P.M

Morag wrote: »

Sounds like someone is miffed they will have to detour around the new fencing on their way to the pub or shop.

Yep I am miffed.The walk to the shop was nice, now it is just an eyesore

J.P.M

ozmo wrote: »

If I were a resident there I would be insisting that the properly protect the trees they are supposed to be saving...

In our estate all the trees were damaged by road works - we lost several 300 year old trees - mosty by driving and parking tractors on the roots


All the main roots are barly under the surface of the ground and extend out very far. Any damage and they tend to die a few years after the building.

Here's an idea of the absolute mininum distance they should be marking off as a no-go area if they really intend to keep the trees... Really it should be much more.



(Image is of some other country doing it right)

Thanks. These trees have been here since, before I was here. Now fenced off to be abused.

J.P.M

fletch wrote: »

Wow I'm nearly 30yrs living in Hartstown and I don't remember it! What year was it knocked down?

You need to pay attention my friend. Everything will be gone if we let it.:pac:

J.P.M

All in all I am ashamed with most of you:o

Gaspode

Why didn't you object to the planning application then?

ciaran76

fletch wrote: »

Wow I'm nearly 30yrs living in Hartstown and I don't remember it! What year was it knocked down?

There used to be pictures in the Hartstown pub of the old house if you wanted to see what it looked like.
I remember the house basement was filled in around 1986 before the railings where around the park. They put the green containers/ changing rooms on the spot where it would have been.
They planted trees and made a small hill behind the containers. When I was in the school our class went there to plant a tree for each pupil.

nikpmup

J.P.M wrote: »

I am sure the area you are talking about will be tidied up when theland is re zoned and built on.

Yes most use it as a shortcut and it was a pleasent one too. I guess you are calling people who appreciate the beauty of it lazy?

No I'm not at all, and please don't put words in my mouth. I simply observed that most people ONLY use it as a shortcut rather than as a facility in itself; ie, there's not many kids on it playing games or what have you. And as a shortcut it had its shortcomings - in the winter it's often mucky as the path didn't extend all the way across, and I certainly never crossed it on dark evenings on my own as there would often be gangs of young lads hanging around. The school obviously needs the extra facilities, and yes, I do hope it gets tidied up as there's nothing as depressing , IMO, as any green area strewn with litter - that, to me, certainly ruins any beauty. If people who use it and live near it don't care enough to keep it tidy then maybe it should be rezoned?

dodzy

J.P.M wrote: »

An hour to get round the park? are you slow walking?

4.5km. Bout right for some folk.

J.P.M

Gaspode wrote: »

Why didn't you object to the planning application then?

I tried but got no support, as this thread shows. The planning notice was hidden away in a spot where noone would have seen it

J.P.M

nikpmup wrote: »

No I'm not at all, and please don't put words in my mouth. I simply observed that most people ONLY use it as a shortcut rather than as a facility in itself; ie, there's not many kids on it playing games or what have you. And as a shortcut it had its shortcomings - in the winter it's often mucky as the path didn't extend all the way across, and I certainly never crossed it on dark evenings on my own as there would often be gangs of young lads hanging around. The school obviously needs the extra facilities, and yes, I do hope it gets tidied up as there's nothing as depressing , IMO, as any green area strewn with litter - that, to me, certainly ruins any beauty. If people who use it and live near it don't care enough to keep it tidy then maybe it should be rezoned?

The path never extened across because the land was owned by the school and they would not allow it. That area was always tidy as it was maintained by the school, It was the area behind it you mentioned and that is down to Fingal and the residents. Even areas that have been rezoned still have bad fly tipping. So yeah lets build a big apartment block on it!

Now you will have to pass gangs of lads bottle necking the path, no escape lol.

J.P.M

dodzy wrote: »

4.5km. Bout right for some folk.

Ok I admit I haven't walked the perimeter but I sure will give it a go:)

Gaspode

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