Qualifiers Round 2

internet_user

baraca wrote: »

Could anyone who has he time post score updates from the wexford match, RTE site is slow

extra time just starting now

Hammer Archer

baraca wrote: »

Could anyone who has he time post score updates from the wexford match, RTE site is slow

http://www.shannonside.ie/
Click listen live.

Dick Turnip

Longford 14 wexford 2.8 apparently there was a huge fight at the end involving all players all subs and all management

Hammer Archer

Wexford take the lead after 4 minutes of extra time.

Edit: 2 points up now.

Hammer Archer

2-12 to 15 at half time in extra time.

Hammer Archer

2-13 to 15 now with less than 5 left I think.

internet_user

wexford win 2-15 to 0-16

manofwisdom

Eight round 3 sides


Tyrone
Kildare
Derry
Armagh
Laois
Cavan
Wexford
Galway

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Everyone will be hoping for Galway

Hopefully we get a home draw and to avoid Tyrone and Kildare, otherwise things could get ugly.

Ideal game for us would be Wexford at home, beat them comfortably in the league in Salthill but I suppose that counts for very little.

theoneeyedman

Poor quality game in longford. Errors all around, wexfords shooting was woeful and won the game in spite of themselves. Longford led for most of the game and might have won a free to win it on fulltime, but ref didn't call it. They died in extra time and wexford finally found a free taker and won by 5 in the end.
Big schemozzle on full time, seemed to start between wexford full back and paul barden and quickly escelated. Not helped by the amount of people on the pitch at the time, players, subs, physios, waterboys etc etc.

Tombo2001

68Murph68 wrote: »

There has been 17 games involving Division 4 teams this year.

The record of Division 4 teams is P17 W3 D1 L14

The wins were when Leitrim beat New York, London beat Leitrim and London beat Sligo. The draw was when Leitrim and London drew.

So out of the 3 wins, 1 was against another Division 4 side, 1 was against a side that isn't even in the league and the other was a one point win over a side that just avoided relegation to Division 4. The draw was against another Division 4 side.

The average losing margin in the 13 games that Division 4 sides have lost is 14 points.

Really have to wonder what Division 4 teams are doing in the Championship beyond making up the numbers.

Heard a guy on the radio yesterday, think it was Martin McHugh or Martin Carney.....Martin somebody anyway, one of the former players who are now media pundits.....

He said in the course of the discussion on this weekends games....."the championship doesn't really start until the first weekend of August".....and it does feel like that......its a less extreme version of the FA Cup where all the crap teams play each other in the first few rounds, and then Man U come in in Round 5 and hoover everyone up.

There are max 6 teams in the football championship......Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, Cork, Kerry, Mayo......after that one or two might join them.....but most teams are just going out and getting hockeyed by one of those six.

Meath will get ripped apart by the Dubs tomorrow, London will be hockeyed by Mayo.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Heard a guy on the radio yesterday, think it was Martin McHugh or Martin Carney.....Martin somebody anyway, one of the former players who are now media pundits.....

He said in the course of the discussion on this weekends games....."the championship doesn't really start until the first weekend of August".....and it does feel like that......its a less extreme version of the FA Cup where all the crap teams play each other in the first few rounds, and then Man U come in in Round 5 and hoover everyone up.

There are max 6 teams in the football championship......Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, Cork, Kerry, Mayo......after that one or two might join them.....but most teams are just going out and getting hockeyed by one of those six.

Meath will get ripped apart by the Dubs tomorrow, London will be hockeyed by Mayo.

It has almost always been this way.

The GAA is far too conservative so there probably won't be a change to the championship structure for quite a long while

Tom Joad

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Heard a guy on the radio yesterday, think it was Martin McHugh or Martin Carney.....Martin somebody anyway, one of the former players who are now media pundits.....

He said in the course of the discussion on this weekends games....."the championship doesn't really start until the first weekend of August".....and it does feel like that......its a less extreme version of the FA Cup where all the crap teams play each other in the first few rounds, and then Man U come in in Round 5 and hoover everyone up.

There are max 6 teams in the football championship......Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, Cork, Kerry, Mayo......after that one or two might join them.....but most teams are just going out and getting hockeyed by one of those six.

Meath will get ripped apart by the Dubs tomorrow, London will be hockeyed by Mayo.

Would be very surprised if Meath get ripped apart by Dublin tomorrow. Yes London will be destroyed by Mayo but Connacht is a non-contest for a long-time. Monaghan won't be destroyed by Donegal so I think this two-tier while it has some element of truth is getting exaggerated out of all proportions. In my book the provincial system is causing the inequity.

The championship not starting til August is a load of arsé too - we've already had Donegal v Tyrone and Derry v Down (2 cracking games) and try telling any Cavan man tonight that the Championship hasn't started.

Its up to teams to come up to the level set by Donegal, Dublin and Mayo but these things go in cycles. Only 3 years ago Antrim beat Donegal who were a shambles and Cavan who were even worse to reach an Ulster final - look at the change in fortunes off those teams since that - it goes in cycles and barring maybe 5-6 counties there is no reason why any county can come from a low place to challenge the big teams.

Tombo2001

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It has almost always been this way.

The GAA is far too conservative so there probably won't be a change to the championship structure for quite a long while

A few differences in my book...

I) In the past a team like Roscommon or Monaghan had a chance of getting to an all Ireland final......they've got pretty much no chance now.

II) In the past, it was a big deal to win a provincial title.

The provincial title isn't as relevant now because of the backdoor......so it is less of a prize for these guys.

In the past, I am guessing a team like Wicklow or Leitrim would approach the championship with excitement, even if they couldn't win it, but they could win the local contest against their local rivals.

But there are no bragging rights for Leitrim in playing Armagh......even if they do win, chances are they get knocked out the next day.

The backdoor is a nowhere-land for these weaker teams, it must be impossible to motivate players for it.

Lemlin

kksaints wrote: »

Was there a brawl at half time in the Cavan match? Rte text commentary said something about unsavory images at Brefini park.

Yep, there was. Fermanagh's Sean Quigley, Cavan selector Anthony Forde and the Fermanagh water boy were all sent off at the start of the second half.

ArmaniJeanss

Tombo2001 wrote: »

The backdoor is a nowhere-land for these weaker teams, it must be impossible to motivate players for it.

But so many 'weaker' teams have worked their way to the last 8, (even the last 4) via the qualifiers. Off the top of my head (I'm no expert) I'm thinking of Wexford, Sligo, Fermanagh and Limerick.
If some management/players can't get themselves motivated then its their fault, not the structures fault.

manofwisdom

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A few differences in my book...

I) In the past a team like Roscommon or Monaghan had a chance of getting to an all Ireland final......they've got pretty much no chance now.

II) In the past, it was a big deal to win a provincial title.

1. When Roscommon reached 1980 All Ireland final they had very good team they don't have that now. Monaghan reached one All Ireland final in 1930 and lost.

2. Provincial titles don't mean much to Dublin,Kerry,Mayo who have won loads of them however it still means plenty to those that haven't won as much.

Always_Running

When Mayo reached their first All Ireland final for 30 odd years in 1989. Tyrone,Derry,Donegal hadn't won All Ireland between them now they have won six All Irelands between them. Anything could happen in the next 25 years but hey lets change everything as some teams will never improve right?

Fr Tod Umptious

manofwisdom wrote: »

1. When Roscommon reached 1980 All Ireland final they had very good team they don't have that now. Monaghan reached one All Ireland final in 1930 and lost.

2. Provincial titles don't mean much to Dublin,Kerry,Mayo who have won loads of them however it still means plenty to those that haven't won as much.

Provincial titles mean a good bit to the likes of Mayo, Dublin, Donegal Kerry etc.

On a year where three "likely" and one already provincial champions are also four "likely" All Ireland champions, winning your provincial title means that you avoid one of your fellow contenders in the quarter finals, something that Cork will find our about if they make out that far.

Plus on this day and age of ultra fitness and preparation winning a provincial title makes planning for the next stage a lot easier

manofwisdom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Provincial titles mean a good bit to the likes of Mayo, Dublin, Donegal Kerry etc.

On a year where three "likely" and one already provincial champions are also four "likely" All Ireland champions, winning your provincial title means that you avoid one of your fellow contenders in the quarter finals, something that Cork will find our about if they make out that far.

Plus on this day and age of ultra fitness and preparation winning a provincial title makes planning for the next stage a lot easier

You are then talking about stepping stone towards the main aim of reaching All Ireland final. My point was how much it means in the terms of celebrating provincial championship.