Qualifiers Round 2

Lemlin

Draw is this morning at 8.30. I'll be keeping a keen eye on it as Cavan are involved.

I don't think there's anything we can call an easy draw as a Division 3 team in the pot we're in.

Would hope to avoid Tyrone and Derry and hoping we don't get a rematch against Fermanagh or Armagh.

I think the best we can hope for is a home draw against Longford, Laois or Louth.

Dubliner28

;)Tyrone v Kildare please !!

leonidas83

Dubliner28 wrote: »

;)Tyrone v Kildare please !!

any updates yet?

Dubliner28

Clare - Laois
Cavan - Fermanagh
Kildare- Louth

beertons

Kidare get Louth. Doesn't sound too exciting.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Update? Kildare best not get Tyrone.

leonidas83

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Clare - Laois
Cavan - Fermanagh
Kildare- Louth

Two very close games already

golfball37

Cavan and Fermanagh have already played each other?

munchkin_utd

from gaa.ie:

To be played on July 6/7
Clare v Laois
Derry v Down
Leitrim v Armagh
Roscommon v Tyrone
Galway v Waterford

To be played on July 13/14
Longford v Wexford
Cavan v Fermanagh
Kildare v Louth

Dubliner28

Based on 1st day out/form for the teams in Round 2, wins in bold for below

Clare v Laois
Derry v Down
Leitrim v Armagh
Roscommon v Tyrone
Galway v Waterford
Longford v Wexford
Cavan v Fermanagh
Kildare vLouth . This one is touch and go. If its in Newbridge, Louth have a better chance than if the game is moved to Portlaoise for safety reasons. It shouldn't be but I know there are issues with the ground in Newbridge...

No stand out ties.

cournioni

golfball37 wrote: »

Cavan and Fermanagh have already played each other?

Yup. Joke of a system.

Dubliner28

Teams only avoid each other lets say if Dublin beat Meath, Meath win there Round 4 match , they cant play again in the 1/4 final.

Agree, joke of a system.

FrToddUnxious

Again... this just shows the unfairness of this championship yet again.
Roscommon are last team to play C ship on 16 June and against Mayo. No. 2 in the country. And now drawn against Tyrone. Probably No. 6 in the country.
Game over. Ball burst for that county's team and supporters for the year. All that training for what?
IMO provincial competitions should play off in spring. And have a champs league format in the Summer. Where all teams get 3 games with strong, medium and weak teams in each group.

leonidas83

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Based on 1st day out/form for the teams in Round 2, wins in bold for below

Clare v Laois
Derry v Down
Leitrim v Armagh
Roscommon v Tyrone
Galway v Waterford
Longford v Wexford
Cavan v Fermanagh
Kildare vLouth . This one is touch and go. If its in Newbridge, Louth have a better chance than if the game is moved to Portlaoise for safety reasons. It shouldn't be but I know there are issues with the ground in Newbridge...

No stand out ties.

I wouldnt be so sure about those predictions, Longford had a very good win against Limerick over the weekend & are playing at home too. On top of that I wasnt overly impressed with Wexford on Sunday, Meath disposed of them fairly easily in the end.

Also the last time Cavan played Fermanagh it couldnt have tighter & since then Fermanagh have beaten the Div.2 runners up down in Mullingar. Wouldnt call that one either.

And finally, I dont know how you can come to the conclusion that Derry are definitely going to beat Down at home. Down already beat them there recently murdering them in the second half. On top of this I felt Down played very well against Donegal & had they been more clinical might have won that match. They had Donegal on the ropes at certain stages.

Down & Tyrone are the two best teams in the qualifiers at the moment imo having both only been knocked out by the All Ireland champions.

The rest of the ties pick themselves

Dubliner28

FrToddUnxious wrote: »

Again... this just shows the unfairness of this championship yet again.
Roscommon are last team to play C ship on 16 June and against Mayo. No. 2 in the country. And now drawn against Tyrone. Probably No. 6 in the country.
Game over. Ball burst for that county's team and supporters for the year. All that training for what?
IMO provincial competitions should play off in spring. And have a champs league format in the Summer. Where all teams get 3 games with strong, medium and weak teams in each group.

Was there a lower tier football championship along the lines of the Christy Ring/Nicky Rackard cup a few years ago ??

20 Times 20 Times

I fear for Louth and the backlash they will get from Kildare after that horrific defeat yesterday.

munchkin_utd

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Was there a lower tier football championship along the lines of the Christy Ring/Nicky Rackard cup a few years ago ??

there was
Tommy Murphy Cup

FrToddUnxious

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Was there a lower tier football championship along the lines of the Christy Ring/Nicky Rackard cup a few years ago ??

There was yes for about 5 yrs... teams who exited very early played off against each other during the summer... stopped in 2008 I think. Only had about 8 teams in it

munchkin_utd

has anyone info on the reasoning behind the home advantage allocation or was it just random?

Dubliner28

Little Pea wrote: »

I fear for Louth and the backlash they will get from Kildare after that horrific defeat yesterday.

If I was part of a Louth team, I wouldn't be losing any sleep. They beat them by 5-6 pts a couple of years ago in the Championship.

leonidas83

Little Pea wrote: »

I fear for Louth and the backlash they will get from Kildare after that horrific defeat yesterday.

I dont know tbh, I think this is the end of the road for this Kildare management team, since 2011 they have regressed imo. They've taken two severe beatings in their last two campaigns. Coming out against Dublin in the second half on Sunday they looked like they were already beaten, the players dont seem to be responding to McGeeny anymore. I wouldnt write them off but I think Louth will feel they are there for the taking & if they put in a performance they can win.

Last year in the qualifiers Limerick should have beaten them in Portlaoise were it not for Limerick allowing them to run the length of the pitch without a single foul & score in the last minute.

20 Times 20 Times

Well hopefully Louth will come through , but with our Goalie suspended , two players leaving for the states we are up against it already I feel.

I agree with the point made above in relation to the management team of Kildare, surely Kierans time is up.

Cosmo Kramer

munchkin_utd wrote: »

has anyone info on the reasoning behind the home advantage allocation or was it just random?

There would have been a separate draw for each tie for home advantage.

Two repeat Ulster clashes, that's the last thing people want to see. Teams that had played before used to be kept apart but it was done away with a few years ago because it was apparently overcomplicating the draw, so you're left with this mess. Would it really be that hard to keep teams that had played previously apart from each other through the qualifier rounds. Why have it for the All-Ireland quarters but not for the qualifiers?

Hidalgo

munchkin_utd wrote: »

has anyone info on the reasoning behind the home advantage allocation or was it just random?

Didnt hear the draw but I assume it was first team out gets home advantage. That's how it worked for the hurling qualifiers anyhow.

Always_Running

Could have a lot of Ulster sides in the last eight this year. Why aren't Leitrim given the week off? bit much playing three weeks in a row.

robbiezero

Little Pea wrote: »

I fear for Louth and the backlash they will get from Kildare after that horrific defeat yesterday.

Kildare are not good enough to back lash anyone. Louth could well win this.

markc1184

Hidalgo wrote: »

Didnt hear the draw but I assume it was first team out gets home advantage. That's how it worked for the hurling qualifiers anyhow.

It was beaten teams in one pot, 1st round winners in another. One taken from each and put into a 3rd pot, first team drawn got home advantage.

Hidalgo

Derry V Down the pick of next weekends games for a TV game. Although KK V Tipp in hurling will surely be televised Sat evening so maybe one game @5p.m and the other @7.
Sunday TV time slots taken up with provincial finals afaik

munchkin_utd

Hidalgo wrote: »

Didnt hear the draw but I assume it was first team out gets home advantage. That's how it worked for the hurling qualifiers anyhow.

it doesnt seem to follow any pattern so it could well be the way.

It used to be "strongest" team played away which one year showed itsself to be a farce when the then very strong Derry team was deemed to be weaker than Cavan, because obviously having a whole heap of provincial titles from pre-history is very relevant to current team form!

Dubliner28

munchkin_utd wrote: »

from gaa.ie:

Why are the matches split over two weekends? Is this the norm? Taught they were all played on the one weekend?

intellectual dosser

GAA accumulators are the hardest in Sport - but here goes!

Clare v Laois
Derry v Down
Leitrim v Armagh
Roscommon v Tyrone
Galway v Waterford
Longford v Wexford
Cavan v Fermanagh
Kildare v Louth

Cosmo Kramer

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Why are the matches split over two weekends? Is this the norm? Taught they were all played on the one weekend?

Yes, there was always a five/three split in the schedule to try to avoid six or seven day turnarounds for losing teams. I thought they might hold the Leitrim game back for a week because their first match went to a replay, but it seems that won't happen.

If I was going to call a surprise result from that lot, I think Laois might be vulnerable having to go to Clare. Micko will have Clare well up for that one.

wow sierra

Always_Running wrote: »

Could have a lot of Ulster sides in the last eight this year. Why aren't Leitrim given the week off? bit much playing three weeks in a row.

Yes totally unfair - it would be differenent if all the games were next weekend. It is obvious that the other beaten SemiFinalists from this weekend were deliberatly given an extra week - Cavan, Kildare, WEXFORD. Surely it wasn't so hard for someone to think of including Leitrim.

wow sierra

FrToddUnxious wrote: »

Again... this just shows the unfairness of this championship yet again.
Roscommon are last team to play C ship on 16 June and against Mayo. No. 2 in the country. And now drawn against Tyrone. Probably No. 6 in the country.
Game over. Ball burst for that county's team and supporters for the year. All that training for what?
IMO provincial competitions should play off in spring. And have a champs league format in the Summer. Where all teams get 3 games with strong, medium and weak teams in each group.

I am from Roscommon and while we have had bad luck in the draw today and I am sick about it - I think it is the best system. The Provincial Championship would lose it's appeal if it lost the link with the All Ireland series. There were 20 thousand at the MayoRoscommon game - including me - not a hope would you get that kind of interest in the lopsided draws in a Champions League format. The whole London story which is huge this year could never happen and the Roscommon/Sligo Connaught Final of 2010. These are the amazing GAA days that sustain people on the bad days. And then the Qualifiers are there for the great teams like Tyrone etc who are unlucky to be beaten in strong provinces.

Dubliner28

Hidalgo wrote: »

Derry V Down the pick of next weekends games for a TV game. Although KK V Tipp in hurling will surely be televised Sat evening so maybe one game @5p.m and the other @7.
Sunday TV time slots taken up with provincial finals afaik

Think KK and Tipp is on TV3 with RTE having a game also

munchkin_utd

Hidalgo wrote: »

Derry V Down the pick of next weekends games for a TV game. Although KK V Tipp in hurling will surely be televised Sat evening so maybe one game @5p.m and the other @7.
Sunday TV time slots taken up with provincial finals afaik

Kildare v Louth might be a more likely pick for the TV company seeing as theres such a dislike for competitive Ulster football down south and 2 teams in the Pale would fit more the Dublin-centric world view of TV 3/ RTE to be honest.

awec

Don't watch much GAA, but what are Leitrim like? From my very limited knowledge of Armagh we are a bit hit and miss, whats the chances of us going through?

Fowler87

Derry/Down and Cavan/Fermanagh... any of these not play each other already this year Or have the GAA changed the qualifier system?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

awec wrote: »

Don't watch much GAA, but what are Leitrim like? From my very limited knowledge of Armagh we are a bit hit and miss, whats the chances of us going through?

I'm fairly sure there are a few clubs with a bigger player selection than Leitrim. Armagh should beat them easily. Jamie Clarke is one of the best forwards, of not the best, in the game. He's also backed up by a very decent team. Leitrim on the other hand are probably one of the worst counties in the country, but again, their small population is obviously a big factor. Emlyn Mulligan is their standout player, and would probably start for most teams in the country, but unfortunately he's not in a very good team. Armagh by more than 6 for me.

WallyGUFC

Excellent draw again for Galway. Could finally start building some momentum in the qualifiers, at long last.

leonidas83

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Excellent draw again for Galway. Could finally start building some momentum in the qualifiers, at long last.

Yes, that second half for Galway against Tipperary was extremely important, their confidence in Qualifiers must have been rock bottom after the dissapointments of recent years. If they beat Waterford I could see them giving one of the bigger counties a hell of a game

FrToddUnxious

wow sierra wrote: »

I am from Roscommon and while we have had bad luck in the draw today and I am sick about it - I think it is the best system. The Provincial Championship would lose it's appeal if it lost the link with the All Ireland series. There were 20 thousand at the MayoRoscommon game - including me - not a hope would you get that kind of interest in the lopsided draws in a Champions League format. The whole London story which is huge this year could never happen and the Roscommon/Sligo Connaught Final of 2010. These are the amazing GAA days that sustain people on the bad days. And then the Qualifiers are there for the great teams like Tyrone etc who are unlucky to be beaten in strong provinces.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I dont think the provincial competition would lose that much appeal if played in feb march april. And of course we could see surprises in a champs league style in the summer. Im not too worried if 20, 000 turn out to watch mayo hammer roscommon. Id rather 8000 turn out to a competitive game. This system is going to widen the gap. Of course Irish people in general dont like change. Do it the way we always did lads......

robbiezero

The provincial championships only appeal to those teams who have no chance in the All-Ireland series, There is no real reason to link them to the All Ireland series any more.
The 4 provincial finals will be largely worthless affairs this year. Dublin and Mayo likely to win easily. Donegal likely to just strangle Monaghan, and I'm not sure if Kerry and Cork will be flat out either in their final.

Fireball07

Disappointed that Derry & Down...and Cavan & Fermanagh have been drawn together again. I'm sure the games will be good, but I like to see new matchups at the same time.

jkmanc1974

Galway blessed again here....big chance of building some momentum and hopefully Mulholland will keep his role.....feel sorry for Roscommon with a terrible draw though!

Brgds
Johnny

Lemlin

Fireball07 wrote: »

Disappointed that Derry & Down...and Cavan & Fermanagh have been drawn together again. I'm sure the games will be good, but I like to see new matchups at the same time.

It's very boring for supporters tbh. It's the third time we'll have played Fermanagh this year and the fourth time in the last two years. We'll also be playing them at least once next year in the league.

It also leaves all the momentum lieing with them. They're coming off the back of a good win and will be eager to put us back in our place.

We're coming off a narrow loss that will have hit a young team that had their backs up.

Teams who've played each other shouldn't be drawn again when there are 8 sides in each pot.

munchkin_utd

Lemlin wrote: »

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Teams who've played each other shouldn't be drawn again when there are 8 sides in each pot.

it was said that it makes the draw too complicated but obviously you are going to have some level of complexity with a draw and I cant see how this could be too complicated to follow.

If I understand it right, one pot was the winners of the last round and the other pot was the loosers of provincial semis.
So very simply, you were to say line up the 8teams who won as team A1, A2, A3, A4 etc etc.
Then pull teams from pot B, the first to play A1, second A2 etc and should a clash be a repeat (and you need to be careful coming to end of the draw too) then move the drawn semifinal looser to the next available slot.
You'd need to draw home and away advantage separately then, but sure thats not really making it overcomplicated is it?

Lemlin

munchkin_utd wrote: »

it was said that it makes the draw too complicated but obviously you are going to have some level of complexity with a draw and I cant see how this could be too complicated to follow.

If I understand it right, one pot was the winners of the last round and the other pot was the loosers of provincial semis.
So very simply, you were to say line up the 8teams who won as team A1, A2, A3, A4 etc etc.
Then pull teams from pot B, the first to play A1, second A2 etc and should a clash be a repeat (and you need to be careful coming to end of the draw too) then move the drawn semifinal looser to the next available slot.
You'd need to draw home and away advantage separately then, but sure thats not really making it overcomplicated is it?

Laughable coming from an organisation the size of the GAA.

eamonpk

When do they announce confirmed dates and times for the fixtures - tonight? A number of games will be played this Saturday which is 5 days away so hopefully they will announce them soon

scatman carruthers

Id say tomorrow morning everything will be confirmed eamon. We may have some Sunday qualifiers again seeing as I think Derry v Sligo and Armagh v Wicklow were played yesterday, first time I can remember those on a Sunday being played

Always_Running

Saturday, July 6

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 2

Galway v Waterford, Pearse Stadium, Salthill, 2.30pm
Clare v Laois, Cusack Park, Ennis, 5pm
Derry v Down, Celtic Park, 5pm
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr Hyde Park, 6pm

Saturday, July 13

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 2

Longford v Wexford, Glennon Brothers Pearse Park, 2pm
Leitrim v Armagh, Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada, 5pm
Cavan v Fermanagh, Kingspan Breffni Park, 7pm
Kildare v Louth, Newbridge, 7pm

Leitrim given the week off afterall