High Court moron forces ISP's to block Torrent sites

partyatmygaff

They're fools if they think they can stop piracy by blocking torrent sites. Blocking things never works, people will always find a workaround.

Paramite Pie

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

The Pirate Bay doesn't break any laws. Any Hight Court Justice that incorrectly applies a law (that is fundamentally unjust anyway) deserves some critique.

But the people who upload copywrited materials are breaking the law though. And refusing to remove this material (unlike other torrent sites which will remove torrents when requested) is illegal.

I torrent stuff myself but at least I'm aware it's illegal. I just don't care...:pac:

Sure I wouldn't steal a car but if I could download one I would!! But I don't think torrenting is an entitled human right and I do understand why law makers would try to stop it... it just won't work.

CruelCoin

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Sure I wouldn't steal a car but if I could download one I would!!

Once 3d printers come in at larger size and at greater affordability, you may very well be able to find the latest ford mondeo schematics up for download from tpb and print a new car for yourself at home.

Will be illegal, but in a sense, you will be able to download a car.

I'm sure you could already download a car. Just do it like Johnny Cash did in "One Piece at a Time" and print/manufacture the car through individual pieces using 3D printers.

Paramite Pie

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sure you could already download a car. Just do it like Johnny Cash did in "One Piece at a Time" and print/manufacture the car through individual pieces using 3D printers.

3D printers are well out of my budget for now... but awesome!:D

I think it'll be a long time before us oridinary folk have acess to such technology.

farna_boy

Paramite Pie wrote: »

3D printers are well out of my budget for now... but awesome!:D

I think it'll be a long time before us oridinary folk have acess to such technology.

You can buy a basic 3D printer for ~€1000.

CruelCoin

Paramite Pie wrote: »

3D printers are well out of my budget for now... but awesome!:D

I think it'll be a long time before us oridinary folk have acess to such technology.

http://store.makerbot.com/replicator2.html

You can get decent ones for 1500 these days. Will take a while before it gets cheap enough to justify its outlay on an industrial level. its on the way.

And that will have huge implications for copyright.

Anyone with a 3d printer will be able to self-manufacture everything, with the aid of pirated schematics.

This noise about music/films pirating is small fish compared to the 3d printing storm only a few years down the road....

Paramite Pie

^^ Ok that's not as expensive as I thought but somethings will probably not be easily printed. Can it only produce plastic?

Also, I don't think that a future domestic printer will be able to replicate glass, considering glass is created at extremely high temperatures. I'm sure there will be many limitations. Very exiting though....I can make 3d models so I'd love to be able to print toys for my future kids or something:D

To steer things back on topic, I haven't use the pirate bay in years. Loads of other sites not blocked. I don't download much, mostly things I would never bother to buy anyways.

Mr.David

CruelCoin wrote: »

Once 3d printers come in at larger size and at greater affordability, you may very well be able to find the latest ford mondeo schematics up for download from tpb and print a new car for yourself at home.

Will be illegal, but in a sense, you will be able to download a car.

No you won't. Not a car I'd want to sit in anyway.....you might be able to make something that LOOKS like a car, but it will not be the same.

MadsL

Mr.David wrote: »

No you won't. Not a car I'd want to sit in anyway.....you might be able to make something that LOOKS like a car, but it will not be the same.

You may regret those words, given we already have a fully functional printed bicycle.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1736992/introducing-3-d-printed-bicycle

EdCastle

Without 3d printers, people have already been building their own cars....they come in kits which you assemble yourself.

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Also, I don't think that a future domestic printer will be able to replicate glass, considering glass is created at extremely high temperatures. I'm sure there will be many limitations.
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WTF? Why would you want to replicate glass? You can buy it down in the local hardware. You can also buy toys...in a toyshop, duh!

Look a few of you are running away with yourselves regarding 3d printers, nobodys going to be 3d printing off anything when they can just head out to a store and buy it. People aren't that self motivated.

If this was the way things worked, then everyone would be in their garages already building every single thing they needed in life. Only some people do this...they're called inventors!

3d printers will be a tool for designers and budding entrepreneurs, it won't go any further then that. There is no comparsion between downloading music, films for entertainment and downloading a pile of schematics to 3d print your cutlery. ....ridiculous stuff altogether.

EdCastle

MadsL wrote: »

You may regret those words, given we already have a fully functional printed bicycle.

You can buy bikes in a .....yeah you got it.....bikeshop!

People can barely assemble a flatback piece of furniture, never mind a bike.

Look at the pub industry, its suffering because supermarkets are selling cans at 1 euro and their price is fixed by the government. Thousands of jobs have been lost.

Yet the Music industry takes precedence ??

AntiRip

EdCastle wrote: »

Look a few of you are running away with yourselves regarding 3d printers, nobodys going to be 3d printing off anything when they can just head out to a store and buy it. People aren't that self motivated.

If this was the way things worked, then everyone would be in their garages already building every single thing they needed in life. Only some people do this...they're called inventors!

3d printers will be a tool for designers and budding entrepreneurs, it won't go any further then that. There is no comparsion between downloading music, films for entertainment and downloading a pile of schematics to 3d print your cutlery. ....ridiculous stuff altogether.

I think you should watch this and just see what 3D printers can actually do

Antar Bolaeisk

So... in a hypothetical scenario where I'm an artist who, being hip and in tune with all that modern technology offers, has chosen to distribute a new album on piratebay.org in the belief that people will come to my concerts on the back of having hear and enjoyed my music. Can I now sue the state for loss of business

Antar Bolaeisk

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

So... in a hypothetical scenario where I'm an artist who, being hip and in tune with all that modern technology offers, has chosen to distribute a new album on piratebay.org in the belief that people will come to my concerts on the back of having hear and enjoyed my music. Can I now sue the state for loss of business

I put a question just like that to Sherlock last year and he told me "don't be ridicolous " I asked him to expand on his answer and what exactly did he mean but he wasn't interested.

EdCastle

AntiRip wrote: »

I think you should watch this and just see what 3D printers can actually do]

I already know what 3d printers can do as I have seen them in action and i'm trained as a designer so just because it prints gun parts doesn't impress me....big deal! In America people can buy guns not print them.

Go over to the design forum to find a thread on what they really can do and the people that are using them, its not average Joe Soap and it never will be.

3d printers are a tool for industrial designers, modelmakers, creative professionals, they are not entertainment in the same way that a hammer and chisel aren't entertaining. To average Joe Soap they are entertaining for like 5 minutes then they serve no further purpose.

Jericho.

Deleted User wrote: »

I put a question just like that to Sherlock last year and he told me "don't be ridicolous " I asked him to expand on his answer and what exactly did he mean but he wasn't interested.

Not at all surprised by this. His attitude to the whole thing has been that he is right and everyone else is wrong.

FoxT

A long time ago, when we were all much poorer and much happier than we are today, the internet was invented.
It was amazing! Anybody who had access could communicate & share freely with those who had common interests.
It was exciting! You could find out loads of stuff about Underwaterbasketweaving, or transcendental numbers,
or fly-fishing, or whatever it was you wanted in life.

It was liberating! You could watch stuff on it, any time you liked. You could fast forward, rewind, pause,
go for a pee, or whatever, and the 'content' would be there , waiting patiently for you on your return.It
was multimillion times better than TV.

The world is full of powerful vested interests who hate all that. Governments are appalled by the idea
that citizens can communicate freely & anonymously. Commercial organisations are horrified that they can
no longer manipulate prices in different markets the way they used to. Advertisers are fascinated by the idea that
they can use technology to direct high-value ads direct to your desktop. Copyright holders
are fighting now against abuses of copyright - but the real driver for them is they want to get back to the
good old days of manipulating pricing & release dates in diferent markets.

All of this is going to happen. If you want to know what the internet will be like in 10 years time, then
just go to your living room & turn on the TV. The internet will never be quite as restrictive as broadcast TV,
but you will be forced to pay for things that are free today. You will be forced to watch advertising, that you
will be unable to skip past or FF through. the sites that you can visit will be restricted, and your browsing history,
will, to all intents & purposes, become public.

Here is an example: Google for 'where am i located' - see how accurate it is.

The internet knows exactly where you are, and, in time, it will get to know exactly who you are.

this court order to get ISPs to block websites is a small part of a bigger picture, and just another
step on the trajectory that the internet is on.

Amirani

FoxT wrote: »

this court order to get ISPs to block websites is a small part of a bigger picture, and just another
step on the trajectory that the internet is on.

I'm not so sure. With the way the internet is built, and the ease at which it can be accessed, the open-minded should always be a step ahead of the closed-minded.

FoxT

NiallSparky wrote: »

I'm not so sure. With the way the internet is built, and the ease at which it can be accessed, the open-minded should always be a step ahead of the closed-minded.

I agree with you - but it will get more difficult. And, people who do take those steps will be automatically subjected to more scrutiny by authorities etc. The vast majority will either not have the knowledge to do it, or will not want to deal with the inconvenience.

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Proxy are your friends.

Wacker The Attacker

Can we still watch squirt porn?

Allyall

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Can we still watch squirt porn?

Squint Porn?

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

Look at the pub industry, its suffering because supermarkets are selling cans at 1 euro and their price is fixed by the government. Thousands of jobs have been lost.

Yet the Music industry takes precedence ??

I'm not sure if you're being serious about the pubs there. The government doesn't fix prices for the pubs or supermarkets. Consumers have decided that pubs are too expensive and are taking their business elsewhere. If pubs are losing money, it's because their business model, or more specifically their pricing model is wrong and they should adjust it accordingly. They don't have some kind of entitlement to make money...

...and this brings us back on topic. The music promotion industry was allowed to get so big that they can't adapt. They expect to make the same profits and control the distribution system as effectively as they've done for the past 60 years without changing their business model.

Thankfully, their stubbornness has left them years behind pirates. Bittorrent has been around for over 15 years and only now have they managed to get a couple of sites shut down. They'll never be able to compete with pirates. Pirates will always be years ahead.

kowloon

Paramite Pie wrote: »

^^ Ok that's not as expensive as I thought but somethings will probably not be easily printed. Can it only produce plastic?

Also, I don't think that a future domestic printer will be able to replicate glass, considering glass is created at extremely high temperatures. I'm sure there will be many limitations. Very exiting though....I can make 3d models so I'd love to be able to print toys for my future kids or something:D

There's already 3d printing with powdered steel and other metals. The machine builds up the component layer by layer using a focused laser. I'm sure someone has already tried this with glass.

CrazyRabbit

Paramite Pie wrote: »

But the people who upload copywrited materials are breaking the law though. And refusing to remove this material (unlike other torrent sites which will remove torrents when requested) is illegal.

I torrent stuff myself but at least I'm aware it's illegal. I just don't care...:pac:

Sure I wouldn't steal a car but if I could download one I would!! But I don't think torrenting is an entitled human right and I do understand why law makers would try to stop it... it just won't work.

TPB can't remove the illegal material because it doesn't host it. It just provides search results. The actual illegal content is on the end users machines.

CruelCoin

Paramite Pie wrote: »

^^ Ok that's not as expensive as I thought but somethings will probably not be easily printed. Can it only produce plastic?

Also, I don't think that a future domestic printer will be able to replicate glass, considering glass is created at extremely high temperatures. I'm sure there will be many limitations. Very exiting though....I can make 3d models so I'd love to be able to print toys for my future kids or something:D

To steer things back on topic, I haven't use the pirate bay in years. Loads of other sites not blocked. I don't download much, mostly things I would never bother to buy anyways.

These printers don't replicate.....

You insert a block of material, and the printer carves the shape out of it.

In the case of glass, it will soon be possible to just place a block of glass on the printer, and it carve it out.

CruelCoin

EdCastle wrote: »

3d printers will be a tool for designers and budding entrepreneurs, it won't go any further then that. There is no comparsion between downloading music, films for entertainment and downloading a pile of schematics to 3d print your cutlery. ....ridiculous stuff altogether.

So all these product patents mean nothing then?

OEM plastic bumpers for your car, why pay 500 when you could print it for 100?

Looks the same as oem, acts the same as oem, all thats changed is you haven't paid a fortune to the copyright holders.

It absolutely matters.

CruelCoin

Allyall wrote: »

Squint Porn?

I really really want to open that link, but i'm at work....