Full Time Work...What a load

krudler

Shenshen wrote: »

And I find it interesting that you would assume that researching the potential of stem cell therapy as treatment for people incapacitated by stroke for example is not an important job.

"I take magic baby dust and use it to help people's broken brains"

there ya go. science for 5 year olds.

OldNotWIse

Some of us actually want more than to merely exist.

Shenshen

krudler wrote: »

"I take magic baby dust and use it to help people's broken brains"

there ya go. science for 5 year olds.

Perfect.

So in short, there ARE no jobs out there you couldn't explain to a 5-year-old?

Playboy

coolemon wrote: »

As a successful and professional landlord with over 35 properties to my portfolio, I think people who do not work are nothing but spongers. This is the main reason why I do not even accept rent allowance. I see it as money for nothing.

I made 489600 euro last year before tax.

I PAY for peoples social welfare from my hard earned money. I work a full 30 hours per week from my office where I mostly browse the internet and scout for the cheapest plumber or electrician in the event that something goes wrong with one of my properties. Im getting fat so I sometims take a few days off work at my discretion to go for a jog or a cycle.

I worked my way up from relative nothingness. I inherited a measely five properties from my parents, and worked hard renting them out and taking out loans to invest in more properties. Some of my peers went belly up taking out too many risks. Some call it gambling, but I, my fellow millionaires in the media and politicians call it entrepreuneurship. But they declared bankrupt and got to keep their family homes thank God.

If nobody worked I wouldnt be able to spend my hard earned money. If nobody worked I myself would be out of a job. People should EARN their money, and they will earn their money where I spend it. Like on my two domestic servents who, unintelligent, un hard working and as talentless as they are, earn only a fraction of what I get.

These people, you got to believe it, are just total wasters. We do have a laugh about them down in the county club with tales of their ineptness.

But anyway, I have to go back to work. Its a hot day out there so I might turn on the Aircon in the office and see if I can find any electricians or plumbers cheaper than the ones I have on the books at the moment. Business stuff, you know. Some of you with high intelligence and who are hard working would know what im talking about.

Moral of the story is: Work hard and you can all make it to where I am now.

lol.... of course anyone can. It's not rocket science. So the guy got a leg up from his parents.. so what? They paid their taxes and are entitled to pass on money to their children. You are not entitled to a portion of that income just because you are a lazy fecker. Why should his wealth be redistributed whether inherited or not. The guy already pays a small fortune in tax to support the welfare state.. more than anyone who wants to criticise him does. At the end of the day we live in a knowledge economy... if you know something or are good at something then you can earn a nice living. If you cant be bothered to avail of all the hand outs and knowledge out there to improve yourself then you deserve to be where you are.

From what I can remember anyone can go back to University and pay minimal fees (in comparison to other countries) and work part time to support them through it. I did it.. was in Uni every morning and worked until midnight 6 days a week. Didnt get anything from Mammy and Daddy and didnt spend my time moaning about what others have and I dont.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but if someone is on the dole can they not go to 3rd level completley free and get paid their dole while in Uni along with allowances for rent and books etc? Used to be the case when I lived in Ireland. No excuses for anybody when that option is available to them.

OldNotWIse

Nicolas Shallow Banjo wrote: »

Most people are not happy to just get by as you describe, that doesn't mean they are hungry for money.

I want to be able to buy a house, have a nice car, buy stuff I want e.g. electronic equipment, clothes etc. Have money for socialising, when I go on holidays I don't want to slum it in hostels or on someones couch I want to be able to stay in proper hotels and be able to enjoy the holiday. These are just some of the reasons why I (and most people) would much rather work 40+ hours per week than barely survive on part-time work or dole.

If you are only working around 40 hours per week there is no reason you cannot do all the cycling, running etc you want. You have all evening and all weekend for doing it.

Exactly. I spent the last year working 39/40 hours a week. I attended college 4 nights a week and every second Saturday - still managed to get the children in the house washed (so to speak) and never missed an opportunity to have a few scoops with friends, spend quality time with parents/OH etc. Still have functioning relationships, the house hasn't fallen down and I haven't gone mad (yet lol)

Caliden

twowheelsonly wrote: »

The highlighted bits are where I would be taking money off your dole - excluding alcohol it adds up to €86. None of these items are what I would call essentials and therefore the State (Me, you and everyone else that's working) shouldn't be paying for them.
Not aimed at you personally poster, but in general terms.

With a houseshare you can't exactly say to your housemate, I need to cut costs so I won't watch the tv/use the wireless...

270 a month on food/drink seems like there could be some room to save there.

Agricola

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And I can't be the only one who finds the 'but I want a routine and need to work full time otherwise I'd go mad' responses quite depressing. Surely you shouldn't need a job to define you?

Yeah find that astonishing myself. Have a relative who does 40 hours on a factory line. He was off work for 2/3 weeks due to an injury and was going absolutely spare. Couldnt wait to get back to work. Many would say its admirable, but I think its a bit pathetic if you can't find something, anything to interest you outside of your mind numbing job.

krudler

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Some of us actually want more than to merely exist.

That's the thing, the thoughts of working 40 hours a week until I'm in my 60's (probably be later the way things are going these days) then sitting around trying to enjoy the time I have left is kinda terrifying. I have no problem working, I'd just love to do something I love, I envy people who genuinely enjoy their jobs, am leaving mine soon to move abroad and can't wait, gonna try get into something creative rather than a desk job.

Barna77

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I teach English to adults in Madrid and I have a couple of high-achieving friends who have a (gentle) go at me sometimes for not doing more with my life. I work about 25 hours a week from Monday to Thursday (3 day weekend) and on a good month, I earn 1500 after tax, which is a very decent salarly for Spain

That's pretty decent over in Spain. Madrid can be expensive but you'd manage with that sort of money

OldNotWIse

krudler wrote: »

That's the thing, the thoughts of working 40 hours a week until I'm in my 60's (probably be later the way things are going these days) then sitting around trying to enjoy the time I have left is kinda terrifying. I have no problem working, I'd just love to do something I love, I envy people who genuinely enjoy their jobs, am leaving mine soon to move abroad and can't wait, gonna try get into something creative rather than a desk job.

What does that even mean? All jobs that involve desks are boring?

OldNotWIse

Agricola wrote: »

Yeah find that astonishing myself. Have a relative who does 40 hours on a factory line. He was off work for 2/3 weeks due to an injury and was going absolutely spare. Couldnt wait to get back to work. Many would say its admirable, but I think its a bit pathetic if you can't find something, anything to interest you outside of your mind numbing job.[/QUOTE]

Some people actually like their jobs.

Shenshen

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Some people actually like their jobs.

True, but there are also people who simply can't stand their home life and take refuge in a job - any job.

It's a bit hard to say here if he was just wanting to get back to work, or wanting to not be at home for so much time.

Feathers

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

As I've said, I've no interest in that kind of life, the idea of taking a loan for something you can't afford is nonsensical

Would be more non-sensical to take out a loan for something you can afford, surely?

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

And remember, if you can't explain your job to a five year old, it's not important

Does that mean that my job is important if I can explain it to a 5 year-old?

krudler

OldNotWIse wrote: »

What does that even mean? All jobs that involve desks are boring?

Nope, but I'd had enough of working in a retail/customer care environment, working with the public would put years on you. I dont mind the office environment (free coffee!) just dont want to deal with Joe Public anymore, had enough :pac:

OldNotWIse

krudler wrote: »

Nope, but I'd had enough of working in a retail/customer care environment, working with the public would put years on you. I dont mind the office environment (free coffee!) just dont want to deal with Joe Public anymore, had enough :pac:

Ah, I hear ya Nothing as bad as repetitious, collective stupidity

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

You just happened to meet a life-long dole recipient in the pub, and press him to explain himself, right on time to chime in with your findings on a thread about the subject... right yeah.

Ehh...where did I say he was a life-long dole recipient? He works with my fiance (we're all abroad), but he has loads of friends back home who treat the dole as a lifestyle and he sees nothing wrong with it. He might well do the same when he goes back. The topic came up because it's constantly in the papers and on TV in the UK. I love when people try to claim you're lying because something so normal seems so far-fetched.

If you can support yourself while working part-time fair enough.

As for why I work full-time - just scraping by isn't enough for me.
Going part-time now would be feasible given my current circumstances but it would probably limit future opportunities.

If I had worked part-time in my 20s (given the alternative of working full-time) I don't think I would be in as comfortable a position as I am now.

Seachmall

the_monkey wrote: »

why should the taxpayer pay for your holiday lifestyle ?

They shouldn't have to, but they will.

looking_around

Playboy wrote: »

That's a novel way of looking at things! So tell me why the people who do work should share the profits of their labour with people who choose not to? Something for nothing, that's what you want is it? Lol people really do live on another planet...

emmm you can't exactly blame the babies for doing nothing 0o

And those who have billions they all work so hard do they? I mean.. there's a hotel, in either iran or iraq can't remember now, that's selling a gold plated ipad. Those poeople spending money on that clearly have too much.. it'd be so wrong for them to share that down?

Jonny7 wrote: »

You are living in the easiest period in history, with the highest standard of living, the most options and opportunities, equality and diversity.

In your spare time you can learn a trade, teach yourself to code webpages, study an MIT course for free, a thousand things.. you can use any of this to help you find a job you enjoy doing, or self employment, or take a FAS course, or work abroad in a country you love, there is literally no excuse

What measures standard of living? being materialistic?
How much must people learn before they can say, I've learned enough in this life time and it's time to have fun?
Not everyone wants to live to learn, nor live to work.
(btw I personally love to learn)
And also, I never said I hated this country or working..but that 40 hours a week is too much.

krudler

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Ah, I hear ya Nothing as bad as repetitious, collective stupidity

Ah stop, what's that phrase common sense ain't common? never a truer word spoken, you'd wonder how some people make it through the day without severely injuring themselves through their own lack of intelligence.

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twowheelsonly wrote: »

The highlighted bits are where I would be taking money off your dole - excluding alcohol it adds up to €86. None of these items are what I would call essentials and therefore the State (Me, you and everyone else that's working) shouldn't be paying for them.
Not aimed at you personally poster, but in general terms.

Thankfully you're not the decision maker here

How can you expect somebody to look for a job without internet? Makes it very difficult.

The trip to the cinema, netflix, alcohol, can be considered essentials if you seriously consider mental health issues.

Feathers

Feathers wrote: »

Would be more non-sensical to take out a loan for something you can afford, surely?

Not necessarily, I got a low interest car loan secured against savings rather than spending the savings on the car.

That way I keep the lump sum of the savings, get the car and all for a small amount of interest.

Its also a hell of a lot easier to pay a loan than save money, for me anyway.

Playboy

looking_around wrote: »

emmm you can't exactly blame the babies for doing nothing 0o

And those who have billions they all work so hard do they? I mean.. there's a hotel, in either iran or iraq can't remember now, that's selling a gold plated ipad. Those poeople spending money on that clearly have too much.. it'd be so wrong for them to share that down?

Why should they have to? Do you share all your possessions with the poor in africa, asia and south america? Wealth is relative to where you are on the ladder. You are faboulously wealthy compared to others in the world.

krudler

Khloe Damp Voodoo wrote: »

Thankfully you're not the decision maker here

How can you expect somebody to look for a job without internet? Makes it very difficult.

The trip to the cinema, netflix, alcohol, can be considered essentials if you seriously consider mental health issues.

Annoys me when people say internet access isnt an essential, it is these days, there's more to the internet than cat pictures and boards, need it for banking, contacting people, buying stuff online etc etc. and it's definitely true stuff you spend your free time doing is an essential, if i had to just come home from work and sit in every night watching drivel on the telly as I had no money to go cinema or out and meet friends I'd go mental, that's not living.

looking_around

Playboy wrote: »

Why should they have to? Do you share all your possessions with the poor in africa, asia and south america? Wealth is relative to where you are on the ladder. You are faboulously wealthy compared to others in the world.

Quote me where I said they had to :rolleyes:

I just said would it be so bad..

btw, I have nothing to share with those in Africa, they're welcome to use my wireless though.

Gosh... now we have the poor third world countries, we should be ashamed of ourselves ..:pac: //..you do know most of them don't actually work yeah?

Feathers

Nicolas Shallow Banjo wrote: »

Not necessarily, I got a low interest car loan secured against savings rather than spending the savings on the car.

That way I keep the lump sum of the savings, get the car and all for a small amount of interest.

Its also a hell of a lot easier to pay a loan than save money, for me anyway.

If your loan is secured against your savings, I'm presuming you then can't use your savings for the life of the loan. Wouldn't the interest you make from the savings have to be higher than the interest rate of the loan for this to be beneficial?

TBH, I find paying into a savings account or paying off a loan the same — either way it's a direct debit from my main account — IMO, the only reason to get a loan secured is so as not to have to liquidate an asset in order to spend money. Won't do it against cash though, as you're paying for the privelege.

Feathers

Feathers wrote: »

If your loan is secured against your savings, I'm presuming you then can't use your savings for the life of the loan. Wouldn't the interest you make from the savings have to be higher than the interest rate of the loan for this to be beneficial?

TBH, I find paying into a savings account or paying off a loan the same — either way it's a direct debit from my main account — IMO, the only reason to get a loan secured is so as not to have to liquidate an asset in order to spend money. Won't do it against cash though, as you're paying for the privelege.

Only secured against the outstanding balance of the loan. So every repayment frees up that amount of the savings.

There is a very low interest rate on the savings and Im under no illusion that its costing me a few 100 euro in interest (the interest on the loan is low too) over the course of the loan. But to be honest I just wouldn't save it, I'd come up with a reason to stop the standing order for this or that and end up with nothing left where as with the loan I have to pay it.

cd07

OP you should get a job as a greenkeeper in a golf club! Start work at 6 in the morning and finish at 1pm! whole afternoon and evening to do whatever the fock you want and the pay aint to bad either! great job in that weather too!!

Legs.Eleven

Stingerbar wrote: »

I never gave a crap what people thought, I loved it and was proud of it, my friends were jealous as heck.. people are taking their precious 2 weeks of the year just to go to that place.. I lived there!

I suppose the fundamental difference between you and me is that you probably saw it as a stop gap - something temporary. You´re in a well paid job now, so obviously you gave it up. This is a life I´ve decided to continue on with into my adulthood (I´m already 33) and unfortunately I find myself doing a bit more "justifying" of my choices now, especially as nearly all my Irish friends are very successful in their fields.

However, the biggest amount of justifying I´ve had to do was with myself. I was never the most studious of people but I was considered smart enough in school and I´ve got a degree (whatever those things mean) and because of the friends I had and how high-achieving they almost all were, I always thought I´d have a "proper" career as an adult. My family didn´t expect it of me but my peers did. I didn´t want to be seen as someone opting for this kind of life when so much focus was put on getting a good career during the Celtic Tiger. I felt stupid and part of me felt this life was beneath me, probably because I was a bit embarrassed as teaching TEFL is not seen as a long-term career choice (back then but not now) and I made excuses for it. Things have changed hugely with the crisis and my mentality is only catching up with it. Only a month or two ago I coped on. Although not ideal by any means, I`m essentially happy in what I do, I´ve loads of free time (I´m finished work already for the day), no stress, enough disposable income for most things I want and I live well enough in a beautiful city in a hot country, so really, what more could I possibly want? Someone here on Boards gave me the advice that you need to decide what to do, take that decision and be content in where youo are now instead of runing the present with what ifs. Probably the best bit of advice I´ve ever got but only something I´ve took on recently. I think they call this growing up and giving less of a **** what people think about you. It´s a nice bit of progression in my life anyhow.

barbiegirl

Just some quick questions for the OP. When he gets sick who will pay his doctor, hospital bills, etc? Yep we stooges will because if he's working part-time he's basically paying no tax.
Who paid for his education? yep more 40 hour stooges.
When he gets too old to work who'll provide his pension? yep us again.
I am a full time worker and proud to be so. I was brought up to be socially conscious, that we who can work do to help educate and care for those who need it. I love my job, it's fun, challenging, has a chance at career progression and if I do it right I help other businesses to run better.
I also have time for family, friends, hobbies etc. I take great holidays because I can, I pay my bills and occasionally treat myself to nice things. My husband and I also pay into a savings account, two pension accounts, health insurance and life assurance.
We enjoy our lives, we are not stressed most of the time, we like what we do. OP if you can cover yourself working part-time, can save enough to cover yourself when sick and old and are sure that living in a house share is what you want forever, off you go. I just don't think it's fair to then ask us, who you seem to see as nothing but mindless plebs to cover your ass when you can't.