Full Time Work...What a load

languagenerd

I think there are SOME jobs that are a waste of life - if you work long or unsociable hours, if you only find out your roster at the last minute (and have no say in it), if you're constantly on call, if you can't "switch off" when you get home... Basically, if your job is the biggest part of your life and stops you doing anything else or making any plans, or spendibg time with family and friends. After all, we work to make money to LIVE, we shouldn't live to WORK. But not all jobs (full or part time) are like that.

The reason people hate those who take the dole by choice is that they're taking money from everyone else and not giving anything in return. What the hell makes anyone entitled to get free money to fund their lifestyle??? And if everyone thought that way, then we'd have a massive problem cause no-one would work, society would crumble and there'd be no way to pay anyone dole.

By all means enjoy life, by all means work less hours than people say you "should" if you'd rather more free time (everyone is different and needs different things). But this notion of expecting everyone else to pay for you long-term is ridiculous.

bbam

It's all perspective folks.
Some like to have a few quid in the bank above the basics so they can buy something when they see it. Or treat the other half or kids.

Others seem content with little spare cash.

I can't condone nor understand those promoting life on the dole. It shows no moral fortitude to expect others to pay for your keep, healthcare and general facilities. Get out and take a part time job for your keep, you'll still have time to spare and at least contribute to society.
I'm not talking about someone just laid off from work. But the serial, intentionally long term unemployed need to be identified by the dept of SP and made get up of their ass.

dj jarvis

bbam wrote: »

It's all perspective folks.
Some like to have a few quid in the bank above the basics so they can buy something when they see it. Or treat the other half or kids.

Others seem content with little spare cash.

I can't condone nor understand those promoting life on the dole. It shows no moral fortitude to expect others to pay for your keep, healthcare and general facilities. Get out and take a part time job for your keep, you'll still have time to spare and at least contribute to society.
I'm not talking about someone just laid off from work. But the serial, intentionally long term unemployed need to be identified by the dept of SP and made get up of their ass.

jesus dont - i posed the same question 2 weeks ago on AH , and fook me the bleeding hearts were out in force :eek:

you just have to remember - its not their fault they are lazy bastrd2s and never work , its the state/church/the hulk/caffine/the moon/ their daddy / ect ect

every person on the dole who has never worked is actually a saint and should be carried shoulder high for us working fools to admire

Timistry

Its a crazy situation when working full time is seen as a bad thing. Things can change very quickly in life and people need to think ahead and try and plan for the unseen. You may be glad of a full time job in the future due to another economic crisis in europe or beyond. If you have the facility to save now, I would advise you do. God knows if you will even have a state pension when you retire....

Im living in Perth at the moment and a 40 hour week sounds like a holiday to me. Im doing 50 hours a week standard and up to 60 hours every second week and im on 24/7 call 2 weeks in every 7 on top of this. Not to mention after-hour emails etc. I cant even find the time to go to the bank or do other important things, not to mind the gym or cycling. Only had 2 days holidays since January because I need to save them for Christmas (and the 2500eu for flights...) thus 4 trips abroad since january sounds excessive to me

Mrs Garth Brooks

suicide_circus wrote: »

Lucky for you OP that there are suckers out there who choose to have dependants so that you can have a functioning society and economy

Im sure people arent having babies just so they can pay taxes. Thats just cruel. I want a baby to inflict tax on the little fcuker.

They have babies because they want to. Im sure the parents aren't thinking who will pay for the OP.

dd972

Maybe you've got to seriously think about what type of work you'd like to do OP, one person's Caramel Frap is another's Arsenic, I've hated all the Call Centre and Office jobs I've ever done and am looking for something where I'm out and about and not at everybody's whim, long distance Lorry Driving would appeal to me but others would abhor it.

I've always been envious of people whom I call 'workheads', these people go to Offices or Call Centre's, their faces effortlessly fit, they're as happy and relaxed at work as they would be in a pub or sat in their homes, they thrive on the arse licking, banter, hierarchies and office politics which people like me regard as B.S and have an unquestioning attitude to the 'Centre of the Universe' vibe that companies and these types of workplaces foster.

There was a good thread recently on Workplace Bullying and someone brought up the topic of feeling Social Isolation in the workplace which I believe is far more common than outright bullying and affects those whose faces and personalities don't fit and are either unwilling or unable to 'play the game' expected of you in the workplace.

Eathrin

miss tickle wrote: »

In all honesty, I have seen this on a few forums, is this what you really would aspire to?

Absolutely not but it is clearly a flaw in the Irish welfare system seeing as one can get by without ever having to work a day in their life.

Carnegie

Mollyd90 wrote: »

How do you pay for rent/mortgage and other bills on 180 per week? Then gym fees on top of it.

Quite easily actually. Heres my monthly outgoings:

House share in Dublin: 300
electric/heating: 70
upc broadband and all the tv channels: 30
flyefit gym: 29
cinema twice a month(5 euro on wednesdays at the odeon): 10
any song I want on deezer: 10
food and drink/alcohol: 270
any book I want: free in the library and kindle has tons of free books too
netflix: 7
Total monthly outgoings: 726

Dole is 815 euro a month so that leaves me with 89 euro left for clothes and other infrequent costs such as going to the dentist.

The risk is that the dole could be cut, but worse case scenario it would be cut to 150 per week, in which case I could simply shop at lidl/aldi for my food instead of tesco/dunnes.

.jacksparrow.

Carnegie wrote: »

Quite easily actually. Heres my monthly outgoings:

House share in Dublin: 300
electric/heating: 70
upc broadband and all the tv channels: 30
flyefit gym: 29
cinema twice a month(5 euro on wednesdays at the odeon): 10
any song I want on deezer: 10
food and drink/alcohol: 270
any book I want: free in the library and kindle has tons of free books too
netflix: 7
Total monthly outgoings: 726

Dole is 815 euro a month so that leaves me with 89 euro left for clothes and other infrequent costs such as going to the dentist.

The risk is that the dole could be cut, but worse case scenario it would be cut to 150 per week, in which case I could simply shop at lidl/aldi for my food instead of tesco/dunnes.

Clothes? Toiletries, and I don't mean wiping your arse with a baby wipe every few days.

Carnegie

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Clothes? Toiletries, and I don't mean wiping your arse with a baby wipe every few days.

the food and drink of 270 euros includes toiletries, and as I said the 89 euro left at the end of the month covers clothes and other misc items

coolemon

The problem is capitalism.

Hunter-gatherer societies, despite not having any great productive capacity or technology, spent something like five times less time working to produce their requirements and needs.

Here today, with robots, mass production and advanced agricultural methods, we not only have people working longer than they have done so for much of human history, but we have people starving to death and living in grinding poverty.

Capitalism needs people to constantly work, spend, work, spend, work, spend, work. Otherwise the wheels of profit would come off the cart. And this is one reason why rather than the working day decreasing in accordance with the ever growing productive capacity, that they have been steady or increasing.

The biggest "spongers" are the millionaires who are living it up on their superyachts in the Med.

Those who are not working should feel ashamed of that fact when the ultra-
sponging millionaires/billionaires do. And for whom all those working are in servitude due to the ultra-spongers huge buying power.

Get away with doing as little as you can is what I say. If the wheels come off the cart then perhaps a more rational system of social and economic organisation could be ushered in.

MadYaker

I'm really sh!t at managing my finances. I impulse buy stuff constantly. I also have a car to run which is why I couldn't survive on the dole.

coolemon

bbam wrote: »

I can't condone nor understand those promoting life on the dole. It shows no moral fortitude to expect others to pay for your keep,

Then the whole economic system is rotten. Unless you think the wealthy are "looking after themselves"?

Whats that song by the Dubliners. "The Rich must help the poor, so must I, so must I".

healthcare and general facilities. .

Those making massive money are externalising the healthcare of their workers (or lack thereof).

People are paying with their own inability to afford health insurance or health care for the profit of their employers, since their pay often does not cover the costs.

So who is looking after who...

jobeenfitz

Arawn wrote: »

You sicken me op. I was unemplyed for ages and hated every bit of it. Now I'm in a position to offer other people a job, 70 a day after a tax and lazy people such as yourself think it's not worth it

this is just a nasty post, in my opinion.

seenitall

Work, Buy, Consume, Die.

Playboy

As long as you manage to pay your way and you aren't scrounging off the state now or in the future then good luck to you. Although at this rate you will likely be scrounging off the state when retired as you will prob have paid less in than you took out by then.

Femme_Fatale

If people see working full-time as a waste of life, and a social construction while there are babies starving (or something ) that's their opinion which they're entitled to, but no need to project that onto people who want to work full-time (or close to it) and would have a meltdown if they were on the dole.

Playboy

coolemon wrote: »

The problem is capitalism.

Hunter-gatherer societies, despite not having any great productive capacity or technology, spent something like five times less time working to produce their requirements and needs.

Here today, with robots, mass production and advanced agricultural methods, we not only have people working longer than they have done so for much of human history, but we have people starving to death and living in grinding poverty.

Capitalism needs people to constantly work, spend, work, spend, work, spend, work. Otherwise the wheels of profit would come off the cart. And this is one reason why rather than the working day decreasing in accordance with the ever growing productive capacity, that they have been steady or increasing.

The biggest "spongers" are the millionaires who are living it up on their superyachts in the Med.

Those who are not working should feel ashamed of that fact when the ultra-
sponging millionaires/billionaires do. And for whom all those working are in servitude due to the ultra-spongers huge buying power.

Get away with doing as little as you can is what I say. If the wheels come off the cart then perhaps a more rational system of social and economic organisation could be ushered in.

Haha this is brilliant! Why don't you go live a hunter gatherer lifestyle in the outback of Australia if its so great. What age are you by the way? I only ask because you could well already be dead if living in that kind of society.

Also nothing stopping anyone making millions... Just takes some talent, brains and hard work. Not going to make millions sitting on the dole moaning about how other people don't take care of you well enough. This sense of entitlement is everything wrong with today's society. I'd love to drop some of you in a poor country with nothing but your wits for a few years.

Handsome Bob

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

I've a few mates on the dole, one trains all he wants and is always doing different things, the other is off on his 4 holiday of the year already(yes thats 4 trips abroad since January)

/rant

I'm sure that he has and is.

Esoteric_

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I'm sure that he has and is.

He's not legitimately claiming the dole if he's on 4 holidays per year, anyway. The dole allows you two weeks of holiday time per year, so unless these 'holidays' are weekends away, he's defrauding the State if he is indeed going on several holidays per year.

_Kaiser_

Forget about the whole "you chose to have kids/a mortgage/car etc" argument (which is true in fairness) - what I find gas about this thread and some of the replies is the idea that the dole is or can be a "lifestyle choice"

The dole is there as a TEMPORARY support mechanism to help people who lose their jobs until they find another. Although there ARE people who think they can just sit on their ass instead, that's not what it is intended for and these people should be cut down to the bare minimum of support (paid in vouchers/directly to their landlord or bank etc)

It'd be funny watching some people here trying to defend/justify this idea if it wasn't for the fact that these people are actually serious! :rolleyes:

Jonny7

coolemon wrote: »

The problem is capitalism.

Hunter-gatherer societies, despite not having any great productive capacity or technology, spent something like five times less time working to produce their requirements and needs.

Here today, with robots, mass production and advanced agricultural methods, we not only have people working longer than they have done so for much of human history, but we have people starving to death and living in grinding poverty.

Capitalism needs people to constantly work, spend, work, spend, work, spend, work. Otherwise the wheels of profit would come off the cart. And this is one reason why rather than the working day decreasing in accordance with the ever growing productive capacity, that they have been steady or increasing.

The biggest "spongers" are the millionaires who are living it up on their superyachts in the Med.

Those who are not working should feel ashamed of that fact when the ultra-
sponging millionaires/billionaires do. And for whom all those working are in servitude due to the ultra-spongers huge buying power.

Get away with doing as little as you can is what I say. If the wheels come off the cart then perhaps a more rational system of social and economic organisation could be ushered in.

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Ulysses Gaze

Originally Posted by coolemon
The problem is capitalism.

Hunter-gatherer societies, despite not having any great productive capacity or technology, spent something like five times less time working to produce their requirements and needs.

Here today, with robots, mass production and advanced agricultural methods, we not only have people working longer than they have done so for much of human history, but we have people starving to death and living in grinding poverty.

Capitalism needs people to constantly work, spend, work, spend, work, spend, work. Otherwise the wheels of profit would come off the cart. And this is one reason why rather than the working day decreasing in accordance with the ever growing productive capacity, that they have been steady or increasing.

The biggest "spongers" are the millionaires who are living it up on their superyachts in the Med.

Those who are not working should feel ashamed of that fact when the ultra-
sponging millionaires/billionaires do. And for whom all those working are in servitude due to the ultra-spongers huge buying power.

Get away with doing as little as you can is what I say. If the wheels come off the cart then perhaps a more rational system of social and economic organisation could be ushered in.

What is the alternative to Capitalism? Communism? A system that has not, and will never, work.

monkeysnapper

I agree with everybody in this thread........can I get some thanks please.


Life is a lemon and I want my money back

coolemon

Playboy wrote: »

Also nothing stopping anyone making millions... Just takes some talent, brains and hard work.

Says who? You?

The reality is very different.

coolemon

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

What is the alternative to Capitalism? Communism? A system that has not, and will never, work.

What is Communism?

The term means many things. None of which you have defined.

coolemon

Sitec wrote: »

Yeah Ireland would be in a much better position if nobody worked.

Who said it would?

Ferris_Bueller

Don't think it's fair to criticise the OP, I think a lot of it depends on what age you are. Personally am not looking forward to having to work full time after college, but I understand as you get older you have more of a need for money (house, kids, car, etc.) but tbh right now I am more than happy working my 20 hours a week and enjoying my spare time the rest of the week. The money I earn does me, and while I might not be living the most luxurious lifestyle, I'd rather that right now than be working every day and have minimal time to enjoy myself.

A_Sober_Paddy

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I'm sure that he has and is.

Its actually 3 not 4, that was a mistake, now in fairness his accommodation is sorted everywhere his been...his either crashed on a mates couch or stayed with family of his girlfriend, still tho his been able to go to the FA cup final while on the dole, while I had to work and couldn't even watch the final on the box which made a little sick

Esoteric_

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Its actually 3 not 4, that was a mistake, now in fairness his accommodation is sorted everywhere his been...his either crashed on a mates couch or stayed with family of his girlfriend, still tho his been able to go to the FA cup final while on the dole, while I had to work and couldn't even watch the final on the box which made a little sick

If he's going away that regularly, he's not entitled to the dole and is defrauding the state. You have to be available for, and actively seeking work. How can he be available for work if he's going away so frequently?