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Leicester Tigers v. Northampton Saints - Premiership Final

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    #62
    trouttrout
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    Hartley, I mean, he's a good player, but not as good as Best, not nearly as good. He's got clear discipline issues, so why the hell did Gatland pick him

    Really bugs me


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    #63
    Stev_o
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Dorian makes a point there.

    You could see Richard Cockerill swearing and blinding at officials the whole way through the first half!

    Although there's no way Hartley was calling his own players that!

    Cockers went for seconds too which is far worse. Tbh Dowson should of been captain anyway. Sure 90% of players give Ref's all sort of crap during games. But you could tell Barnes was sick of Hartley.


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    #64
    trouttrout
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    #65
    Stev_o
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Abusing a ref could be a serious ban no? Particularly with his record, he wouldn't get much mitigation (aside from saying he is so so sorry at the hearing :rolleyes: )

    Here is the sanction: http://www.ercrugby.com/images/content/IRB_Sanctions.pdf

    LE – 6 weeks
    MR – 12 weeks
    TE – 18+weeks

    Maximum = 52 weeks

    A 6 week ban would rule him out of the tour. It would be interesting to see how long a ban would have to be before Gatland says "Ah...no".

    How in sweet Jebus is attacking a player far less then telling an official off.


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    #66
    trouttrout
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    Even if he gets the lowest end ban he's gone for 6 weeks. One would assume that is his Lions tour down the drain so?


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    #67
    irishbucsfan
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    Nice score


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    #68
    irishbucsfan
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Even if he gets the lowest end ban he's gone for 6 weeks. One would assume that is his Lions tour down the drain so?

    Unless the committee decide to let him off without a ban for whatever reason


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    #69
    Stev_o
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    JP Doyle is basically reffing this match.


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    #70
    lologram
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Even if he gets the lowest end ban he's gone for 6 weeks. One would assume that is his Lions tour down the drain so?

    Some of the short bans we've seen this season have been based on a reduction because of "exemplary disciplinary records". Can't see anyone selling that story about Hartley. If they low end is 6 weeks he surely has to get that.

    Even if the ban was reduced to 4 weeks somehow I think Gatland would be better off just dropping him. They would be stuck with 2 hookers for half of the tour. An injury to one would be a big problem then.


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    #71
    thomond2006
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    Stev_o wrote: »
    How in sweet Jebus is attacking a player far less then telling an official off.

    I get what you mean but disrespect to officials has to be stamped out before it becomes endemic.


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    #72
    rchendz92
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I get what you mean but disrespect to officials has to be stamped out before it becomes endemic.

    Too right. I've seen some soccer forums praising this decision already as its got so bad in that sport. Hope Hartley is out of the Lions for sure now.


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    #73
    irishbucsfan
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    I'd be surprised if Hartley gets a ban that compromises his Lions tour. It'll be Englishman on the panel, they aren't going to remove an compatriot from a Lions tour.

    Maybe I'm being a bit cynical about the whole disciplinary process because of certain other events in the past though.


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    #74
    trouttrout
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    what a try


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    #75
    Stev_o
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I get what you mean but disrespect to officials has to be stamped out before it becomes endemic.

    Players constantly disrespect officials really.

    What a try.


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    #76
    trouttrout
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    Stev_o wrote: »
    Players constantly disrespect officials really.

    What a try.

    They certainly don't in the manner Hartley did

    I'd go as far to say as the respect shown to officials in rugby is one of the best things about the game


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    #77
    Stev_o
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    They certainly don't in the manner Hartley did

    I'd go as far to say as the respect shown to officials in rugby is one of the best things about the game

    Not in the way Hartley did no, but to think that there is some yes sir no sir going on in pro rugby is generally not true.


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    #78
    trouttrout
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    Imagine if Saints win it, Hartley lifting the cup


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    #79
    irishbucsfan
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Imagine if Saints win it, Hartley lifting the cup

    I might switch over from the Rabo for that if it happens. That'd be a good laugh


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    #80
    ScrubsfanChris
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    Game has to be over now, another try for Leicester....


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    #81
    Rightwing
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Imagine if Saints win it, Hartley lifting the cup

    No chance of that.


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    #82
    trouttrout
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    No chance of that.

    Hence having to use your imagination :rolleyes:


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    #83
    spank_inferno
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    Tigers coach giving loads to the ESPN anchor.


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    #84
    canine
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    Hartley has previous which will mean he,ll probably get at least the minimum ban irrespective of who is on the judging committee,thats 6 weeks at least ,tour over


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    #85
    toomevara
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    canine wrote: »
    Hartley has previous which will mean he,ll probably get at least the minimum ban irrespective of who is on the judging committee,thats 6 weeks at least ,tour over

    6 weeks minimum. Hartley's out. Thank God. I dont rate him as a player and tbh I don't think he's fit to pull on a Lions Jersey.


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    #86
    shuffol
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    I couldn't imagine there could be much mitigation for Hartley, I'm pretty sure Barnes warned him for his language at the previous scrum a few minutes earlier.


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    #87
    thomond2006
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    shuffol wrote: »
    I couldn't imagine there could be much mitigation for Hartley, I'm pretty sure Barnes warned him for his language at the previous scrum a few minutes earlier.

    If anything they will add weeks for his previous. IMO it will be least cancel out any mitigation in Hartley's favour.

    If he is not banned or gets off lightly, it creates a spotlight that the Lions could do without.


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    #88
    canine
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    seemingly Mallinder has said he swore at a leicester player (which he has to say ),this is,nt quite cut and dry yet ,much will depend on video evidence as its hard to see Barnes screwing him considering whats at stake


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    #89
    toomevara
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    canine wrote: »
    seemingly Mallinder has said he swore at a leicester player (which he has to say ),this is,nt quite cut and dry yet ,much will depend on video evidence as its hard to see Barnes screwing him considering whats at stake

    AFAIK, Hartley swore at the ref and called him a 'cheat'. Unprecedented stuff and he'll get a decent ban if true.


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    #90
    irishbucsfan
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    toomevara wrote: »
    AFAIK, Hartley swore at the ref and called him a 'cheat'. Unprecedented stuff and he'll get a decent ban if true.

    Ah so you didn't see any of this?


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    #91
    toomevara
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Ah so you didn't see any of this?

    Was listening to it on BBC radio5 live. That was Brian Moore's/Matt Dawson's take on it. So if he's correct..but no I didn't actually see it myself.


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