Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

jenny smith

NIMAN wrote: »

He is a publican, and the poster obviously considers it a drug. Most don't.

why did he not just say he is a publican then .? Don't see why the relative is brought into it. will only cause trouble for the thread

ancapailldorcha

This isn't the first time this thread has required cleaning up. I'm going to ask that posters refrain from posting potentially libellous information from here on.

Going Forward

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Eh, I went to bed. **** me, that was some rant.

I didn't answer because I don't think it's appropriate. And I thought it was a leading question.
You can defame who you want. I won't.

I was overly harsh about you leaving the thread, and I did have a bit of a rant.

About the "leading question". It leads from you saying you believe she was murdered.

And the next truly "leading question" would have been who do you think murdered her.

But I haven't and won't ask you that.

I wanted to know if you, as a crime reporter, thought that the account that was given was plausible.

Theres no automatic link between you saying whether you think the account was implausible and you assigning murderer status to the person who gave it.

Bearing in mind that according to the gaurds it could have been anyone.
Such as the guy they arrested in 2014.

If you're not permitted to have an opinion on it for legal reasons that's fine, I won't hound you about it.

K-9

brooke 2 wrote: »

That was written in 2004! Fair dues to Garda Tully, one of the good ones. A precursor to Sgt. Maurice McCabe.

'Squaring' and 'grace and favour' - this article reveals a lot of the rot. It might explain, in part, what went on in
the Mary Boyle case. It has been mentioned that the suspect is an ordinary member of FF. An extreme case of
'squaring', perhaps?

The practice of Ministers for Justice squashing driving bans was going on until a couple of years ago.

stuar

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It doesn't do much for your posts credibility when you refer to public and as drug pushers. Relatives of criminals are not responsible for crimes. Relatives of those accused of crimes even less so.

Hang on there, alcohol is a drug, the person in question had a price war for the lowest cost drug in the town (alcohol), he bought a laptop for a victim of crime, and got a photo-op in a national newspaper with smiling gardai all around.

All I was trying to state was relatives of criminals shouldn't get national attention with smiling gardai because they filled a box on the bar with other peoples money and took full credit for it.

Make a "Find Truth For Mary" box on the bar and see how long it lasts and see if the cnut will take a photo-op then.

stuar

Michael O'Toole write a book about this similar to "The Beast Of Baltinglass", you know enough, and know enough how not to make it libellous, you could do do it in your spare time when the fued is not active.

It would really give you credit as a crime reporter as this is a crime greater than any gangland assassination, and the players are higher, but the price may be your job seeing as Denis O'Brien is your boss and may be cozy with FF councillor I understand your reluctance.

oranbhoy67

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This isn't the first time this thread has required cleaning up. I'm going to ask that posters refrain from posting potentially libellous information from here on.

not backseating modding here but please I urge every one to take this into account , there was a great 49 page thread on Politics.ie deleted because of similar

Esel

Stuar, are you actually trying to have the thread closed or deleted? You are again posting identifying and possibly defamatory information. I purposely have not quoted the posts in question. Please, please think before you post.

stuar

Esel wrote: »

Stuar, are you actually trying to have the thread closed or deleted? You are again posting identifying and possibly defamatory information. I purposely have not quoted the posts in question. Please, please think before you post.

I am not, Sherlock Holmes may suss what I'm on about but the average politician, gardai, judge, wouldn't, if they can untangle my bullsh1t they should be on top of this case years ago.

Esel

stuar wrote: »

I am not, Sherlock Holmes may suss what I'm on about but the average politician, gardai, judge, wouldn't, if they can untangle my bullsh1t they should be on top of this case years ago.

You may think you are not. However, Sherlock was a figment of ACD's imagination. The topic here is real, so real rules apply.

Ipso

I remember reading an article about members of the public being present at Garda briefings, does anyone know more about this?

jenny smith

stuar wrote: »

I am not, Sherlock Holmes may suss what I'm on about but the average politician, gardai, judge, wouldn't, if they can untangle my bullsh1t they should be on top of this case years ago.

Anyone can tell who you are talking about and the person has no connection to Mary Boyle. Do you want to get the thread closed or do you not understand the difference

oranbhoy67

stuar wrote: »

I am not, Sherlock Holmes may suss what I'm on about but the average politician, gardai, judge, wouldn't, if they can untangle my bullsh1t they should be on top of this case years ago.

you can bet your bottom dollar that every gardai in this county at least knows who it is who is the main suspect by now.. and every FF person in the country too , the politician is a bit harder for people to work out but the suspect is the main one we need to focus on for the moment anyway , once we hopefully get a confession from him then the other parts will fit into place and we can look towards the politician

jenny smith

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

you can bet your bottom dollar that every gardai in this county at least knows who it is who is the main suspect by now.. and every FF person in the country too , the politician is a bit harder for people to work out but the suspect is the main one we need to focus on for the moment anyway , once we hopefully get a confession from him then the other parts will fit into place and we can look towards the politician

you think he will confess? After brazening it out for 40 years

stuar

jenny smith wrote: »

Anyone can tell who you are talking about and the person has no connection to Mary Boyle. Do you want to get the thread closed or do you not understand the difference

I apologise, I really don't want to get the thread closed, I know some of the sh1t I come out with while drunk could cause that, again, sorry.

jenny smith

stuar wrote: »

I apologise, I really don't want to get the thread closed, I know some of the sh1t I come out with while drunk could cause that, again, sorry.

you were drunk ? lol. stay off the bottle or off the net:) No offence but if the thread gets closed it will have a bad effect. and someone will be suing for defamation. everyone wants justice for mary but we have to work within laws

stuar

jenny smith wrote: »

you were drunk ? lol. stay off the bottle or off the net:) No offence but if the thread gets closed it will have a bad effect. and someone will be suing for defamation. everyone wants justice for mary but we have to work within laws

Agreed:):P, sorry.

oranbhoy67

jenny smith wrote: »

you think he will confess? After brazening it out for 40 years

the ex gardai reckon they were close to getting it from him just from informal questioning.

I think a real interrogation could get it out of him yeah, if ever he was to get one , as I said to him myself that if I was accused I would be going down the station myself to try and clear my name


if you can get ocean FM then the organiser of Saturdays March in Ballyshannon will be on tomorrow to chat about that at 9:45am

if there's a podcast version I will link it here when/if it comes on

stuar

A friend who had no knowledge of any of this just asked if I'd ever heard of Mary Boyle, she said a politician has gone into hiding because of it, it's gaining ground.

Dtp1979

If it's allowed, could someone pm these suspects names. I'm so curious.

Going Forward

stuar wrote: »

A friend who had no knowledge of any of this just asked if I'd ever heard of Mary Boyle, she said a politician has gone into hiding because of it, it's gaining ground.

This is where it gets tricky.

She maybe read it on facebook? It may be true, it may not.

An Garda Siochana should be actively handling this now to determine the truth of the recently aired allegations, instead of relying on social media to either screw up the case or bring pressure on whoever was involved to rock up to the hatch to confess.

missdock.1

PUBLIC MARCH THIS SATURDAY IN BALLYSHANNON (Please share)

March for Mary Boyle on the 16th of July at 2pm in Ballyshannon. #JusticeForMaryBoyle

missdock.1

Yr mail box is full, delete old messages

stuar

Finally this case may be getting somewhere, the pressure is mounting, threats of journalists being sued by FF.........to be continued.

All evidence in case of disappearance of Mary Boyle (6) to be re-examined
A fresh investigation into the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle will be launched with all evidence and suspects to be re-examined.

The Irish Daily Star reports that senior gardai have confirmed that the cold case unit of the gardai is launching a new investigation into the mystery.
Detective Superintendent Walter O’Sullivan said the investigation will be launched in the next few weeks and will last up to six months.

“The first thing that will happen is that the team will go to Donegal (where Mary disappeared) to get a feel for the area,” a source told newspaper.
The source also revealed that the detectives would draw up a list of all serving and retired gardai that investigated Mary’s disappearance in 1977.

The source said that the new cold case team would have no pre-conceived ideas of who was or wasn’t a suspect and that all evidence would be followed.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/all-evidence-in-case-of-disappearance-of-mary-boyle-6-to-be-reexamined-34876265.html


Cold case gardai launch fresh probe into disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle
Officers are revisiting the case with a new team, days after an investigative documentary was released about the child who vanished.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/cold-case-gardai-launch-fresh-8402231

Autonomous Cowherd

I watched the documentary this morning, it is very disquieting. Kudos to Gemma O' Doherty, well made piece of work and she is brave. There is much information I had not heard of before. Leaves one with more than a hint of that eerie incestuous underbelly of a silent rural Ireland. Shudders.
Am I getting some suggestion in this discussion that there was some sort of paedophile ring that Mary Boyle might have squealed on??? Is that what is suggested in the subtext? Maybe I am completely off the mark here, and apologies if I am. But why else would politicians and senior police personnel be scrambling to block investigations?
If this is the case, it is something I fail to understand - how so much of this kind of vile behaviour is kept consistently under wraps. We have had so many hints of evil and sloppy investigations at home and abroad, between (for example) rotten UK MPs, Kincora Boy's Home, and further afield in judicial circles in Belgium, and in US with Epstein/Clinton associations. I just do not understand how those in power - politicians, police, big business people - brazenly weather these awful suspicions. If there is any truth to such possibilities, bring down governments, investigate and punish all the great and mighty who are in any way implicated, bring whole countries to their knees, I do not care. Whether in a family or a nation, never connive to harbour monsters.

LCD

Have been following this thread from very early on & am equally fascinated & sickened by it. The thoughts of some of the things that have been done & things that could be going on makes me sick. I feel for a little girl who had her life stolen from her & potentially her innocence taken before that.

I am at a loss as to what a mother could deem more important than her own child's death

I`d love if everyone could post exactly what they know.

I fear the truth will never come out.

Satriale

stuar wrote: »

The Irish Daily Star reports that...

Dont know who wrote the article until I get to a shop, but fair dues Mick o Toole...

Dtp1979

missdock.1 wrote: »

Yr mail box is full, delete old messages

Done

Going Forward

stuar wrote: »

Finally this case may be getting somewhere, the pressure is mounting, threats of journalists being sued by FF.........to be continued.

All evidence in case of disappearance of Mary Boyle (6) to be re-examined
A fresh investigation into the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle will be launched with all evidence and suspects to be re-examined.

The Irish Daily Star reports that senior gardai have confirmed that the cold case unit of the gardai is launching a new investigation into the mystery.
Detective Superintendent Walter O’Sullivan said the investigation will be launched in the next few weeks and will last up to six months.

“The first thing that will happen is that the team will go to Donegal (where Mary disappeared) to get a feel for the area,” a source told newspaper.
The source also revealed that the detectives would draw up a list of all serving and retired gardai that investigated Mary’s disappearance in 1977.

The source said that the new cold case team would have no pre-conceived ideas of who was or wasn’t a suspect and that all evidence would be followed.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/all-evidence-in-case-of-disappearance-of-mary-boyle-6-to-be-reexamined-34876265.html


Cold case gardai launch fresh probe into disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle
Officers are revisiting the case with a new team, days after an investigative documentary was released about the child who vanished.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/cold-case-gardai-launch-fresh-8402231

I'm not inspired by news of a Garda "probe" into a case alleging failures of the Gardai, the findings of which will be given to the Garda Commisioner?

Was the case actually closed?

Why these further machinations about investigating it?

What happens if any who belive they are suspects decide to flee the country on hearing this news?

Presumably they have their passports and however unlikely the chance of them taking flight might seem, they are free to do as they please.

Would such a "probe" in whats supposed to be an active case be announced in other circumstances, drugs cases, gangland cases?

It smells.

NIMAN

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I watched the documentary this morning, it is very disquieting. Kudos to Gemma O' Doherty, well made piece of work and she is brave. There is much information I had not heard of before. Leaves one with more than a hint of that eerie incestuous underbelly of a silent rural Ireland. Shudders.
Am I getting some suggestion in this discussion that there was some sort of paedophile ring that Mary Boyle might have squealed on??? Is that what is suggested in the subtext? Maybe I am completely off the mark here, and apologies if I am. But why else would politicians and senior police personnel be scrambling to block investigations?
If this is the case, it is something I fail to understand - how so much of this kind of vile behaviour is kept consistently under wraps. We have had so many hints of evil and sloppy investigations at home and abroad, between (for example) rotten UK MPs, Kincora Boy's Home, and further afield in judicial circles in Belgium, and in US with Epstein/Clinton associations. I just do not understand how those in power - politicians, police, big business people - brazenly weather these awful suspicions. If there is any truth to such possibilities, bring down governments, investigate and punish all the great and mighty who are in any way implicated, bring whole countries to their knees, I do not care. Whether in a family or a nation, never connive to harbour monsters.

Possibly? Who knows?
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/10/22/a-corner-of-ireland/