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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    The current leader of fianna fail seems to have a soft spot for the politican in question


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    cosanostra wrote: »
    Yes this is where Mary lived but she went missing from her Mother's home house in the south of the county near bundoran

    http://donegal.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapTour/index.html?appid=c642f51592294d999ae6ad0ee0c49987#


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭cosanostra


    The current leader of fianna fail seems to have a soft spot for the politican in question

    He is known as the sugar Daddy to FF hierarchy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    fryup wrote: »
    oranbhoy67 - has the suspect been involved in any sexual deviance before and after this event ??
    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    not that I'm aware of but then again if the gards couldn't arrest him for a murder I've no faith they'd arrest him for anything else neither

    so why is a sexual motive being suggested ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 r4110


    what age is gerry boyle?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    fryup wrote: »
    so why is a sexual motive being suggested ??

    When a child is killed/disappeared in that manner, the vast majority of the time the motive is sexual.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    FF, you are rotten to the core...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    fryup wrote: »
    so why is a sexual motive being suggested ??

    I hadn't heard that being suggested until recently.

    But the theory that she was killed to eliminate the threat of her reporting something else seems remote to me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    fryup wrote: »
    TOR :confused:

    TOR, the deep/dark web where anonymity is nearly guaranteed with public and private keys that would take 25 million years at 1 trillion guesses per second to decrypt, the fella in the pic is a paedo from wexford who use's foster care as a way of obtaining children.


    https://www.torproject.org/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    stuar wrote: »
    TOR, the deep/dark web where anonymity is nearly guaranteed with public and private keys that would take 25 million years at 1 trillion guesses per second to decrypt, the fella in the pic is a paedo from wexford who use's foster care as a way of obtaining children.


    https://www.torproject.org/

    Uses or used?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    I'm not saying she should do anything differently. Sometimes you have to cross the line to get the result and I understand that.

    I am just empathising with Ann Boyle. A mother would like their family to stick together when it comes to horrible situations like this. Her daughter has chosen to go another way and Margo has taken her under her wing. That would be hurtful to most mothers I am sure.

    Since I read that Ann Jr. had a daughter whom she called Mary and whom her mother helped to raise, and more recently, since
    Mary Jr. had a daughter whom she called Charley, after her grandfather, I am experiencing some empathy for Ann Boyle. Her great-granddaughter would now be about eleven years old. I presume she is also living with her. It is the way of life to move on and concentrate on providing for the children's future.

    Who can deny the trauma she must have endured when her little daughter disappeared all those years ago, never to be found. She has had to come to terms with that in her own way. Surely, no one would have suffered more than she and her husband did at the loss of Mary? Her grief would have been undoubtedly compounded at the discovery that her child might have died at the hands of her own flesh and blood. Somehow, she has managed to live with it. In that film, it was remarked that she is regularly seen at the memorial to Mary which was erected close to the church. She often walks the fields where Mary disappeared. I can't imagine how agonising her thoughts must be. Having navigated her own way through the horrors she has experienced, she could be forgiven for not wanting to stir it all up again.

    I would be curious as to what caused the estrangement between her and her namesake, Ann. I can't get over the feeling that Ann Doherty might be manipulated. I don't doubt the veracity of her statements regarding how much she missed her 'feisty' twin while she was growing up. But, thankfully, she was also able to move on - have her daughter Mary, who seems to have brought joy to her parents, get married and have her own family. Perhaps, now that her family are that bit older, she can revisit the case of her sister's disappearance. The fact is that Mary's killer is still walking free. He is living in the same community as Ann Boyle, no doubt having reared his own family there. Making him account for his crime would undoubtedly rip that community apart, but, doesn't little Mary Boyle deserve justice, even after almost forty years? :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    stuar wrote: »
    TOR, the deep/dark web where anonymity is nearly guaranteed with public and private keys that would take 25 million years at 1 trillion guesses per second to decrypt, the fella in the pic is a paedo from wexford who use's foster care as a way of obtaining children.


    https://www.torproject.org/

    Eh has this person been tried and found guilty in a court of law? If not maybe you should take down his pic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2



    Well, Séamus Ó Dómhnaill looks too young to have been the FF politician
    in question!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    r4110 wrote: »
    what age is gerry boyle?

    no such named person involved


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    groovyg wrote: »
    I wasn't judging them I don't care what age they had their kids, thats what was in the RTE bio. I just thought it was odd that she left her own kid with her own mother when she got married but then another poster mentioned it was era of Magdalene laundries so makes sense really. That programme was shown in 2007 so obviously a lot has gone on since between Ann and her mother as now they are no longer speaking. Gemma tweeted earlier that Ann was asking for her mother to be arrested https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/751172129064882176

    fair enough


    I think Gemma was naive for Tweeting that at this time, whilst i do agree with the sentiment we have another Aunt who died yesterday who we are burying on Sunday and lives on the same road as the mother Ann

    not as if the Gards are going to act anyways I suppose so no odds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    Since I read that Ann Jr. had a daughter whom she called Mary and whom her mother helped to raise, and more recently, since
    Mary Jr. had a daughter whom she called Charley, after her grandfather, I am experiencing some empathy for Ann Boyle. Her great-granddaughter would now be about eleven years old. I presume she is also living with her. It is the way of life to move on and concentrate on providing for the children's future.

    Who can deny the trauma she must have endured when her little daughter disappeared all those years ago, never to be found. She has had to come to terms with that in her own way. Surely, no one would have suffered more than she and her husband did at the loss of Mary? Her grief would have been undoubtedly compounded at the discovery that her child might have died at the hands of her own flesh and blood. Somehow, she has managed to live with it. In that film, it was remarked that she is regularly seen at the memorial to Mary which was erected close to the church. She often walks the fields where Mary disappeared. I can't imagine how agonising her thoughts must be. Having navigated her own way through the horrors she has experienced, she could be forgiven for not wanting to stir it all up again.

    I would be curious as to what caused the estrangement between her and her namesake, Ann. I can't get over the feeling that Ann Doherty might be manipulated. I don't doubt the veracity of her statements regarding how much she missed her 'feisty' twin while she was growing up. But, thankfully, she was also able to move on - have her daughter Mary, who seems to have brought joy to her parents, get married and have her own family. Perhaps, now that her family are that bit older, she can revisit the case of her sister's disappearance. The fact is that Mary's killer is still walking free. He is living in the same community as Ann Boyle, no doubt having reared his own family there. Making him account for his crime would undoubtedly rip that community apart, but, doesn't little Mary Boyle deserve justice, even after almost forty years? :(

    Im sorry but you are way off the mark with this and i think overthinking things a little bit , it never mentioned anything in the documentary about the mother visiting the shrine it was me who said it here .

    As I've said earlier we are burying another member of our family this weekend who is going to the grave without knowing where her niece is, something that could be sorted out in days ecades ago should certain people you have mentioned here face facts like they did the last 3 decades until recently (albeit in private) and come public to the gards and relevant authorities about what they know.


    Personally i have zero sympathy for her now and if all this does come out as i think then I would like to see her punished accordingly

    If anyone was to lay a finger on my child no matter how close they were to me id see fit that they were punished. no 2 ways about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    I hadn't heard that being suggested until recently.

    But the theory that she was killed to eliminate the threat of her reporting something else seems remote to me.

    why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    fryup wrote: »
    so why is a sexual motive being suggested ??

    he hasn't been convicted of any "sexual deviance" that doesn't mean he isn't one

    he also has never been formally interrogated,never mind convicted, of this crime we believe he is responsible for


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    why?

    There is talk of paedo rings.

    There is talk of a widescale cover up and reluctance to properly investigate this case.

    It's is a leap but not a huge one to suggest that there was a fear that Mary may have known something.

    Something that someone thought that she would disclose.

    If the general feeling is that the "official explanation" which has been left hanging for the last 39 years, which was that she disappeared into thin air for no reason is now being rubbished, this might be a reason for someone doing what they did.

    And then there's the talk of the truth destroying the family.

    But it's all speculation.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    The case is mentioned in the Journal today.

    Comments closed.

    Sorry they're open. For the moment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Emmadilema123


    The case is mentioned in the Journal today.

    Comments closed.

    Sorry they're open. For the moment.

    I'm glad it's being brought back up in Irish media. It's clearly something that everyone wants answers on. Even if opinions do differ, at the heart of this, there is a little girl and her family who never got justice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,769 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    cosanostra wrote: »
    He is known as the sugar Daddy to FF hierarchy

    According to one online article I read he claims to be the Irish Donald Trump


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 r4110


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    no such named person involved

    sorry Gerry Gallagher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    r4110 wrote: »
    sorry Gerry Gallagher

    I heard somewhere he was like 74 or something like that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    RE the sexual deviant history of suspect , there has been potential breakthroughs since the documentary on that front from people who have watched it and are coming forward .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    RE the sexual deviant history of suspect , there has been potential breakthroughs since the documentary on that front from people who have watched it and are coming forward .
    How many people.? Did they ever complain to the gardai?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,769 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    RE the sexual deviant history of suspect , there has been potential breakthroughs since the documentary on that front from people who have watched it and are coming forward .

    That is good news, with fresh allegations the Gardai will have to investigate. It puts the focus back on it. Also I see the documentary is up to 60,000 views now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    How many people.? Did they ever complain to the gardai?

    at very early stages yet but the suspect also lived in the UK for a time and we have been contacted by people there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    at very early stages yet but the suspect also lived in the UK for a time and we have been contacted by people there
    Great - maybe UK police involved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    According to one online article I read he claims to be the Irish Donald Trump

    Again before jumping to conclusions, this is not the politician but a relative in the article in question.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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