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Communions/confirmations, utter farce?

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    #62
    Rev Hellfire
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    Doesn't this stuff happen on a weekend anyway.

    The only 'issue' is the preparation done in school time, not sure how having a dance or something helps.


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    #63
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    shes_crazy wrote: »
    So you're saying that Catholicism had no role in gaining independence from Britain?!

    No.....
    Birroc wrote: »
    No he isn't. He is saying that the Catholic Church will usually side with the winning team.


    Cheers for that Birroc, you summed it up rather well.

    I don't doubt that Catholicism had some part in Ireland's struggle for independence but to suggest that if it wasn't for Catholicism we would be under British rule is almost laughable. Indeed the only reason I'm not laughing at your ignorance is that so many other Irish people would believe you.


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    #64
    eyescreamcone
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    Religion in schools is a big terrorist training ground waiting to happen.
    There I said it.

    While we are arguing about communions and confirmations, the real issue is that we are funding "religious ethos" in schools.
    This wasn't a major problem when everyone was a Catholic and okay there were a few Prods but they generally kept themselves quiet.

    We are now funding Muslims to have their own schools.
    So our state policy now is to keep Muslim kids away from ours - causing a certain ghettoisation and isolation of Muslims.

    Down the road when the population of Muslims continue to rise and we ensure they don't mix with us by providing separate schools for them - we will reap what we sow.

    We should keep all religion out of our state funded schools.

    By ensuring that children of all religions and none grow up, play, and learn together we might avoid what is coming if we maintain the status quo.

    It might not be politically correct but that is my opinion.


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    #65
    PopePalpatine
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    Sarky wrote: »
    Somebody give me funding and a barrel full of monkeys, and I'll make it happen.

    Well, there's always Kickstarter.


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    #66
    Sarky
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    Stretch goal 1: outfit all the monkeys in butler costumes.


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    #67
    PopePalpatine
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    How about bowler hats?
    Electroniumhat.jpg


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    #68
    Sarky
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    I'm not looking to make a monkey re-enactment of Clockwork Oran- Hey, that's a way better idea!


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    #69
    Hotblack Desiato
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    article in the IT today about communion, written by someone whose daughter is not making it:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/religious-control-of-schools-is-neither-tolerant-nor-inclusive-1.1403265

    i like this comment below:
    The warriors of liberal democracy are at the gates and only the righteous indignation will stop them.. as Buddha says ' take the things that are yours and put pretty little flowers on them and make them all nice and stuff'. The warriors of liberal democracy have taken the non eating of fish on Fridays as a their doctrine for the ages... it is an example of what can happen with secularism. One must resist long wavy hair in all forms and challenge what is known and unknown - fight against the warriors of liberal democracy and make sure the little ones can get their communion money.

    Pretty sure that commenter was set up to lampoon another one on the IT (who does go on about the supposed evils of 'liberal democracy' ALL the time.)
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    We are now funding Muslims to have their own schools.
    So our state policy now is to keep Muslim kids away from ours - causing a certain ghettoisation and isolation of Muslims.

    Not only does current policy cause ghettoisation (remember the 'immigrant school' in north Dublin?) it is also extremely wasteful of resources and diminishes the employment prospects of non-Catholic teachers.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #70
    Hotblack Desiato
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    StillWaters wrote: »
    No, not a Catholic school. I think you will find that many 12 year olds who have been brought up to be questioning critical thinkers have a fair idea of what organised religion is about.

    Most rational tolerant atheists bring their children up to form their own opinions, and do not foist their own beliefs or lack of upon them. That is what I have always striven to do. My daughter has made an informed decision and I support her in that.

    I don't get this position at all.
    Religion takes advantage of impressionable minds, which is the whole reason the RCC imposes its ceremonies on children as young as possible, and why it values conformity and attacks individual thought on any issue.
    I absolutely will protest against anyone attempting to get my children to take part in a religion of any kind. 12 is not old enough to make up one's own mind about sex, drugs, alcohol, etc, or even educational choices, how on earth anyone can think a 12 year old can make an informed rational decision on making what is supposedly a lifetime commitment to a religion beats me.
    When the subject arises with my kids I won't hold back on what I think about religions and I will make no apologies for doing so.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #71
    Magenta
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    jimd2 wrote: »
    if you have a recent thread that makes your point better on the Catholics slagging off non Catholics then post a link. We are all big boys here.

    There are women here too, you know. I know that your religion treats us as second-class citizens and sees us as little more than baby vessels, but we do at least deserve to be acknowledged.


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    #72
    Birroc
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    ninja900 wrote: »
    Religion takes advantage of impressionable minds, which is the whole reason the RCC imposes its ceremonies on children as young as possible, and why it values conformity and attacks individual thought on any issue.
    I absolutely will protest against anyone attempting to get my children to take part in a religion of any kind. 12 is not old enough to make up one's own mind about sex, drugs, alcohol, etc, or even educational choices, how on earth anyone can think a 12 year old can make an informed rational decision on making what is supposedly a lifetime commitment to a religion beats me.
    When the subject arises with my kids I won't hold back on what I think about religions and I will make no apologies for doing so.

    +1


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    #73
    shes_crazy
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    ninja900 wrote: »
    I don't get this position at all.
    Religion takes advantage of impressionable minds, which is the whole reason the RCC imposes its ceremonies on children as young as possible, and why it values conformity and attacks individual thought on any issue.
    I absolutely will protest against anyone attempting to get my children to take part in a religion of any kind. 12 is not old enough to make up one's own mind about sex, drugs, alcohol, etc, or even educational choices, how on earth anyone can think a 12 year old can make an informed rational decision on making what is supposedly a lifetime commitment to a religion beats me.
    When the subject arises with my kids I won't hold back on what I think about religions and I will make no apologies for doing so.

    Did you give your child a name? (that is, if you have children)

    Why don't you allow your child to reach 18 before making a "lifetime commitment" such as choosing their name?


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    #74
    Birroc
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    shes_crazy wrote: »
    Did you give your child a name? (that is, if you have children)

    Why don't you allow your child to reach 18 before making a "lifetime commitment" such as choosing their name?

    The words "clutch" and "straw" spring to mind...:D


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    #75
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,510 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    A guy I used to work with is an atheist and made no secret of the fact that he didn't believe in God and all Catholics were paedo supporters etc.

    Anyway a while ago I log on to Facebook and there he is with his kid outside a Church on Communion day.

    So in my book he is nothing but a hypocrite, if you don't believe in God fair enough but stay away from ceromonies that mean nothing to you.

    And making an excuse that the kid would feel left out is a cop out.


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    #76
    otto_26
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    lazygal wrote: »
    Sure its a lovely day out, isn't it? Sure, everyone else is doing it, they'll be gutted if they're left out. Ah, its different from our day, the priest is lovely and they teach them about being friends, that kinda thing. Sure why wouldn't you want them doing it? Ah, the grannies would be devastated if we didn't do it, they love the day out. It won't do them any harm, sure I don't agree with the church but, sure we have our own faith, you have to believe in something, don't you? Ah, they've been doing it in school, you couldn't back out when they've been hearing about it since they were in baby infants.

    Etc, etc, etc. Never once have I heard any parents say they are including their children in the sacraments because they are important to them as a family raising children in Catholic doctrine. Its always a list of 'nice' bits about the church, wrapped up with tradition, the auld 'everyone else is doing it line' (because that's a good lesson to teach your children) and the nice memories they have of their own magic wafers.

    I do. So at least now you have heard it once.


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    #77
    Birroc
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    So in my book he is nothing but a hypocrite, if you don't believe in God fair enough but stay away from ceromonies that mean nothing to you.

    Yes he is a complete hypocrite. And Ireland is absolutely full of them. It's pathetic. Nation of sheep.


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    #78
    otto_26
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    Birroc wrote: »
    Yes he is a complete hypocrite. And Ireland is absolutely full of them. It's pathetic. Nation of sheep.

    Ya hate all those hypocrites that celebrate Christmas and they try to justify celebrating Christmas by saying it's not about the birth of Jesus to them, so that's why it's OK for them to celebrate the religious event.


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    #79
    Turtwig
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    otto_26 wrote: »
    Ya hate all those hypocrites that celebrate Christmas and they try to justify celebrating Christmas by saying it's not about the birth of Jesus to them, so that's why it's OK for them to celebrate the religious event.

    This may just be the earliest "stealing Christmas" related comment yet.


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    #80
    PopePalpatine
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    Tell me otto, what is your alternative name for Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday?

    Also, as of 2010 80% of non-Christians in the USA celebrate Christmas.


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    #81
    otto_26
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    Jernal wrote: »
    This may just be the earliest "stealing Christmas" related comment yet.

    My post isn't about stealing it's about hypocrites.


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    #82
    otto_26
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »

    Also, as of 2010 80% of non-Christians in the USA celebrate Christmas.

    Ya I know that was my point.


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    #83
    Delirium
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    Jernal wrote: »
    This may just be the earliest "stealing Christmas" related comment yet.

    seems to be earlier every year :pac:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #84
    otto_26
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    Birroc wrote: »
    Yes he is a complete hypocrite. And Ireland is absolutely full of them. It's pathetic. Nation of sheep.
    .


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    #85
    Galvasean
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    I think otto is trying to imply that atheists shouldn't enjoy themselves at Christmas for fear of making hypocrites of themselves. It's a bit of an apples and oranges fallacy to be honest. Presents at Christmas =/= Indoctrinating one's kids into a specific religion.


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    #86
    Galvasean
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    Actually, what the hell am I doing having this discussion?
    IT'S NOT EVEN JUNE YET!!!!


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    #87
    Hotblack Desiato
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    shes_crazy wrote: »
    Did you give your child a name? (that is, if you have children)

    Why don't you allow your child to reach 18 before making a "lifetime commitment" such as choosing their name?

    Yes I did. If either of my kids decide they really don't like their name, when they reach adulthood it's a lot easier to change it than it is to officially leave the Roman Catholic Church :p

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #88
    Hotblack Desiato
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    otto_26 wrote: »
    Ya hate all those hypocrites that celebrate Christmas and they try to justify celebrating Christmas by saying it's not about the birth of Jesus to them, so that's why it's OK for them to celebrate the religious event.

    I celebrate mid-winter, as humans have done for many thousands of years :)

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #89
    Kiwi in IE
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    I love Christmas. For me it as about spending time with family and friends, showing appreciation with gifts and preparing lovely food. It is a day where families come together and our family celebrates that. The fact we have each other. Has nothing to do with Christianity for us. I adore Christmas Trees, decorating the house, Santa coming etc. I don't care that Christians place religious significance on the day at all. We all have holidays and dinners at each others houses to celebrate friends and family.

    I don't know if I've even told my son that Christians think it's Jesus birthday. Might have mentioned it, but he wouldn't care a less so long as Santa is coming. I like Santa because it's a fairytale full of magic, but unlike religion children are expected to realise the truth at a certain age.


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    #90
    Red Pepper
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    otto_26 wrote: »
    Ya hate all those hypocrites that celebrate Christmas and they try to justify celebrating Christmas by saying it's not about the birth of Jesus to them, so that's why it's OK for them to celebrate the religious event.

    Do you celebrate the pagan Halloween?


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    #91
    Galvasean
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    Red Pepper wrote: »
    Do you celebrate the pagan Halloween?

    Or more to the point, the Pagan practice of putting up a tree in your house and decorating it as the Bible strictly forbids...


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