Season 3: Episode 6 * Have NOT read the books *MOD Note Post 1

SherlockWatson

Another enjoyable episode, interesting scenes with melisandre(sp?) and Thoros.

First off, ****ing hell Joffreys a sick ****, as is Mr torture boy with Theon, making him beg to cut off his finger!



MOD NOTE

Usual things apply, no book discussion etc

Kilkenny14

Everytime I think Joffrey can't get more evil, he goes and does something worse; poor Ros

The scene with Tywin and Oleanna was the highlight for me, with her admitting her grandson is “a sword-swallower through and through! to admitting Tywin lives up to his reputation.

Oh and I laughed at "The laws of my fist are about to compel your teeth."

thomond2006

Who are the Reeds exactly? I'm not really following that storyline with Bran and why they are involved.

Rosy Posy

thomond2006 wrote: »

Who are the Reeds exactly? I'm not really following that storyline with Bran and why they are involved.

They're children of a lord who fought with Ned Stark in the rebellion. I think that the biggest connection is that both Jojen and Bran are wargs and Jojen has seen Bran in his visions and wants to help him harness his powers.

Rosy Posy

I'm enjoying the development of the relationship between Ygritte and Jon Snow. It was nice to see him return the favour and save her life for a change, especially after Thormund had a dig at him before they started out. Orell is a pr!ck, he really seems to hate Jon, and it looks like the feeling is mutual.

The opening scene gave me the heebiejeebies, kept expecting White Walkers to pop out of a bush. I really want Sam and Gilly to make it although it doesn't look like they'll find much safety at Castle Black. Sam is a great character- so gormless in some ways but really smart in others. I bet there's some significance to the black dagger he found.

I wonder what Melisandre is going to do with Gendry- my guess is either sacrifice him or ride him and make another smoke baby.

Great scene with Tywin and Oleyna...so many classic lines. She's such an old battle ax- one of my favourite characters at the moment.

Really got a sense of how dangerous and evil Baelish is- poor Sansa is definitely going to run away with him and probably end up as his wife. She would have been better off with Tyrion.

And of course, just in case we'd forgotten, a little reminder that Joffery truly is the most sadistic fcuker that ever lived. Poor Ros!

Duckworth_Luas

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Orell is a pr!ck

MadYaker

I'm surprised Jon Snow didn't chop is head off as soon as they got to the top.

It seems unlikely to me that the Tyrells will go through with this royal marriage at the moment. They already know jeoffrey is a bit of a sicko but if they find out what he did to that hooker theres gonna be trouble.

DerekDGoldfish

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I'm enjoying the development of the relationship between Ygritte and Jon Snow. It was nice to see him return the favour and save her life for a change, especially after Thormund had a dig at him before they started out. Orell is a pr!ck, he really seems to hate Jon, and it looks like the feeling is mutual.

The opening scene gave me the heebiejeebies, kept expecting White Walkers to pop out of a bush. I really want Sam and Gilly to make it although it doesn't look like they'll find much safety at Castle Black. Sam is a great character- so gormless in some ways but really smart in others. I bet there's some significance to the black dagger he found.

I wonder what Melisandre is going to do with Gendry- my guess is either sacrifice him or ride him and make another smoke baby.

Great scene with Tywin and Oleyna...so many classic lines. She's such an old battle ax- one of my favourite characters at the moment.

Really got a sense of how dangerous and evil Baelish is- poor Sansa is definitely going to run away with him and probably end up as his wife. She would have been better off with Tyrion.

And of course, just in case we'd forgotten, a little reminder that Joffery truly is the most sadistic fcuker that ever lived. Poor Ros!

Both, death by snu-snu, there are worse ways to go I suppose.

grizzly

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I bet there's some significance to the black dagger he found.

I've not read any of the books, but my guess is that it has some magical property that is fatal to dragons.

Dempsey

A fairly boring episode tbh

Joffrey should have been smothered at birth, a truly despicable character. Littlefinger isnt far behind him.

royster999

How did Melisandre know about Gendry?

heebusjeebus

royster999 wrote: »

How did Melisandre know about Gendry?

The Lord of light told her.

DeepBlue

At this rate Theon will still be stuck on that cross at the end of this season and we'll be none the wiser as to who's holding him or why. :rolleyes: Daenerys has raised an army and sacked a city in the same amount of time so they're really dragging his story out. I wouldn't mind but I'm not even that interested in it.

Not really sure why Sansa was crying at the end. She escaped being carted off by Littlefinger and avoided marrying the gay guy. Ok she ends up with Tyrion but at least he's about the only one in King's Landing that actually cares about her. It could be worse. :pac:

Hyzepher

Would it not have been easier to go through the wall rather than over it - didn't look too thick?

MadYaker

Sansa didn't know Loras was gay, she just saw him as the handsome knight who was go to take her away to a blissful paradise far from all the misery at kings landing. I doubt she's overjoyed about marrying tyrion but she's better off with him than with joeffrey. Seems to me joeffrey will be going the same way as the mad king. I normally find littlefinger annoying but I thought his monologue at the end about chaos being a ladder was great, it really revealed his determined ambition.

No progression of daenarys in this episode which is a pity. They are really struggling to cram all those story lines into one episode.

royster999

Where is Robbs ally, Lord Jon Umber?Cant remember seeing him in ages.

thomond2006

MadYaker wrote: »

No progression of daenarys in this episode which is a pity. They are really struggling to cram all those story lines into one episode.

The show feels like a collection of mini-stories at the moment, where in every episode we get a trickle of progresssion. Hopefully some will converge soon.

PhiloCypher

royster999 wrote: »

Where is Robbs ally, Lord Jon Umber?Cant remember seeing him in ages.

Roose gets more page time then Umber in the books so they obviously decided to have him at the forefront and fill the role umber did in the first season as Robbs chief advisor.

Also the actor who played Umber had his ear bitten off in an altercation at a travel lodge so he's probably in no fit state.

Ms. Captain M

I thought Frey's terms would have been a bit harsher, I remember when Robb's mother was negotiating with him in season 1 and she put it very clearly to Robb that he's not a man to cross.

Did I miss something at the end, when Littlefinger and Varys were saying something about Aegon's (I think) swords, and it all being a lie. I didn't quite follow that.

royster999

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Roose gets more page time then Umber in the books so they obviously decided to have him at the forefront and fill the role umber did in the first season as Robbs chief advisor.

Also the actor who played Umber had his ear bitten off in an altercation at a travel lodge so he's probably in no fit state.

Jeez, his character had his fingers bitten off by the Direwolf.
In a way life imitiating art....

mikemac1

I'm useless with names!

The chubby lad and the girl & her new born got a few minutes.

I've no idea how important they will be. A few days walk back to the Wall but Mance Raydar and his followers are already ahead of them.

The spear head looks interesting. Might be relevant later but I don't know how

royster999

Cersei and Tyrion unlikely allies in this episode.
I think Tywin better watch his back

Anachrony

DeepBlue wrote: »

Not really sure why Sansa was crying at the end. She escaped being carted off by Littlefinger and avoided marrying the gay guy.

She's had a thing for Loras since the tournament in season 1. He's her fantasy husband, and unlike everyone else in King's Landing she has no clue that he's gay. As far as she knows, Littlefinger is a loyal, trustworthy friend of the family who will keep her safe. She's disgusted by Tyrion. Everyone in Westeros treats him like crap because of his height, and Sansa is at least as superficial about appearances as anyone.

KerranJast

He's also a Lannister who's nephew is responsible for her father's death and who's family have been keeping her hostage.

Rosy Posy

DeepBlue wrote: »

Not really sure why Sansa was crying at the end. She escaped being carted off by Littlefinger and avoided marrying the gay guy. Ok she ends up with Tyrion but at least he's about the only one in King's Landing that actually cares about her. It could be worse. :pac:

I agree but she is a naive superficial teenager. I think it's interesting how she changes her hair depending on which family she looks up to/is betrothed to. She has no idea that Loras is gay, despite his excessive interest in trimmings and fabric. She also thought that there was a chance that the Starks and the Lannisters/Tyrells might call a truce to celebrate her wedding. She's utterly self absorbed and also a poor judge of character, which will be her downfall when she ends up married to Baelish.

DL Saint

I actually really enjoyed this episode. More interesting character development. We got to hear about Thoros' experience with the Lord of Light, not to mention why he was sent to Westeros. The relationship between Jon and Ygritte is growing, she can see right through his ulterior motives but doesn't care as long as he keeps her safe. Not much with Sam and Gilly just that small scene. I'm going to guess that the Dragonglass is something that can kill the White-Walkers and that's why it may become significant. That scene with Vary's and Littlefinger was just great, so much insight into Baelish's true characteristics.

MadYaker

Anachrony wrote: »

She's had a thing for Loras since the tournament in season 1. He's her fantasy husband, and unlike everyone else in King's Landing she has no clue that he's gay. As far as she knows, Littlefinger is a loyal, trustworthy friend of the family who will keep her safe. She's disgusted by Tyrion. Everyone in Westeros treats him like crap because of his height, and Sansa is at least as superficial about appearances as anyone.

I doubt she is disgusted by Tyrion, he is one of the few people who has been nice to her at Kings Landing. At the moment she is basically a tool that the lanisters are using to consolidate as much power as possible, she is in a crappy situation but at least she isn't strapped to a bed post riddled with crossbow bolts.....

iamanengine

What was that whole exchange between Littlefinger and Varys in regards to Aegon and something being a lie? Or are we not meant to know?

Littlefinger is looking really dangerous at this stage. Poor Ros

Granny Tyrell is looking like a right badass!

Anachrony

MadYaker wrote: »

I doubt she is disgusted by Tyrion, he is one of the few people who has been nice to her at Kings Landing.

That assumes that she's a good judge of character, which she's not, and has an enlightened, modern attitude about the non-relationship between appearance and character, which does not appear to be the case.

ceegee

iamanengine wrote: »

What was that whole exchange between Littlefinger and Varys in regards to Aegon and something being a lie? Or are we not meant to know?

Littlefinger is looking really dangerous at this stage. Poor Ros

Granny Tyrell is looking like a right badass!

The aegon bit was about how the iron throne is made of 1000 swords of people he defeated. Littlefinger points out theres actually less than 200. The point of it was that what people believe to be true is more important than the actual truth, likewise the realm is only important because everyone believes it to be important that the 7 kingdoms stay united etc

AlmightyCushion

Interesting to see the dragonglass show up again. When they discovered it last season it seemed like a pretty big deal and then they never mentioned it again. Given that they actually do show it and bring it up, it's clear it's important. Given that it was buried north of the wall, it's probably good at taking down the white walkers.

When the witch said Arya was going to shut their eyes for good, I take it we're meant to think it's Joffrey, Cersie and Tywin she was talking about. Any one know if their eye colours match up to what she said? It could be a red herring and Arya actually kills a bunch of other people instead.

ceegee

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Interesting to see the dragonglass show up again. When they discovered it last season it seemed like a pretty big deal and then they never mentioned it again. Given that they actually do show it and bring it up, it's clear it's important. Given that it was buried north of the wall, it's probably good at taking down the white walkers.

When the witch said Arya was going to shut their eyes for good, I take it we're meant to think it's Joffrey, Cersie and Tywin she was talking about. Any one know if their eye colours match up to what she said? It could be a red herring and Arya actually kills a bunch of other people instead.

All 3 of those have blue eyes

AlmightyCushion

ceegee wrote: »

All 3 of those have blue eyes

I thought Lena Headley had green or brown eyes.

DL Saint

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When the witch said Arya was going to shut their eyes for good, I take it we're meant to think it's Joffrey, Cersie and Tywin she was talking about. Any one know if their eye colours match up to what she said? It could be a red herring and Arya actually kills a bunch of other people instead.

What I was thinking at that scene was she may know about Arya's future killings alrite. However I couldn't help but feel that this may have something to do with Jaquen offering her to become a faceless assassin, so she may go down that road...

Rosy Posy

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When the witch said Arya was going to shut their eyes for good, I take it we're meant to think it's Joffrey, Cersie and Tywin she was talking about. Any one know if their eye colours match up to what she said? It could be a red herring and Arya actually kills a bunch of other people instead.

Her litany of enemies, afair are Joffery (blue eyes) Cersei (blue eyes) Ser Ilyn Payne (green eyes) Ser Meryn (brown eyes) and the Hound (brown eyes). I think she will make it her life's mission to hunt them down and kill them.

Kold

Jon reminds me of a woman in an abusive relationship taking that sh1t and convincing himself he loves her.

Excellent little to and fro between Varys and Baelish. You really get that Varys has a sense of dread. I came out of it wondering is Baelish something supernatural such was his fear.

Bacchus

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

... dragonglass... Given that it was buried north of the wall, it's probably good at taking down the white walkers.

Could be a good call that. Fire vs ice.

Cracking episode. So much going on, where to begin...

Loved the bit when Tyrion had to tell Sansa the news with Shae (sp?) in the room.... "awkward" Looking forward to seeing the fallout from that.

Joeffrey... his lack of screen time recently makes you forget just what an evil pr*ck he really is. That was pretty shocking. Great monologue leading to it from LittleFinger too. He's really up'ed his "evil" ranking in the past while. His transition from sly manipulator to evil masterplanner (...or rather, his reveal, when you consider he's probably been this evil all along) was superb. Really sheds a new light on his relationship with Vary's.

Nice to see Tyrion and Cersei unite under a common "enemy" and to finally reveal that it was Joeffrey, the idiot, who tried to have Tyrion killed. I feel that Joeffrey's time may be running out... possibly in some end of season drama... though there is a lot of story left in this Tyrell plot so maybe he'll hang on for another while. Who knows!

North of the wall was where we got our action kick. The climbing of the wall was quiet intense and looked great. The final shot on top of it was epic too. Nice to have a happy ending to an episode for once

The Lord of Light stuff still doesn't hold much interest in me. Hopefully that changes because it's becoming a bigger part of the story each week. I assume Gendry will live. I think the witch would have told him straight up if he was going to die. I think he's going to be a badass. It was clear early on that he was destined for more than just being an ironsmith. Actually, his involvement with the Lord of Light story has made it more interesting. He is a blood heir to the throne. How will Stannis feel about that.

And in between all that there were loads of great scenes... Sansa still not having a clue about Loras, Arya training with a bow, the continued torture of Theon (that was f*ckin gross btw :eek:), Tywin and Oleyna talking business.

Top, top episode.

Potential-Monke

DL Saint wrote: »

What I was thinking at that scene was she may know about Arya's future killings alrite. However I couldn't help but feel that this may have something to do with Jaquen offering her to become a faceless assassin, so she may go down that road...

I be thinking along this line too.

As for the Dragonglass, unless i missed something, would it be possible that by having that Sam was spared death by the White Walkers at the end of Season 2? There was no explanation that i can remember as to why they walked by him, but having the Dragonglass could be a deterrent to them.

krudler

Poor Ros, they could have given her a bit more of a sendoff, I know she's a tv show only character but she's been in a lot of episodes so was weird seeing her dead with no reason for it.

No Dany this week, I kinda like that though instead of trying to cram everyone into every episode, granny Tyrell is hilarious I hope she sticks around. the "casual buggery" line made me bust out laughing.

Liamalone

krudler wrote: »

Poor Ros, they could have given her a bit more of a sendoff, I know she's a tv show only character but she's been in a lot of episodes so was weird seeing her dead with no reason for it.

No Dany this week, I kinda like that though instead of trying to cram everyone into every episode, granny Tyrell is hilarious I hope she sticks around. the "casual buggery" line made me bust out laughing.

She was dead because Pete Baelish found out about her playing two sides, in cahoots with Varys, so Pete lad gave her to Joffery for some crossbow practice.

Skylinehead

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I be thinking along this line too.

As for the Dragonglass, unless i missed something, would it be possible that by having that Sam was spared death by the White Walkers at the end of Season 2? There was no explanation that i can remember as to why they walked by him, but having the Dragonglass could be a deterrent to them.

Didn't a White Walker attack him at the very start of this season? It didn't seem to stop him :pac:

duploelabs

A fleshing out of last night's episode, no spoilers but gives insight and historical back story http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/1dt44q/s03e06_followup_for_nonreaders_the_climb

squonk

Great episode again for all the reasons mentioned above. I'm becoming disillusioned with Robb at this point. His whole storyline just seems to be going nowhere. He was rightly fúcked if Edmure had stuck to his guns and wanted to choose who he was to marry himself, like Robb. Roose Bolton stole the show in terms of the Northern Lords this week. He's a cagey guy. I'm starting to like him. Robb could do with a bit more of that sort of cop on I think.

Mellisander and Arya was just the most brilliant scene. The actress playing Mellissandre deserves an award for that scene. She was so captivating and charismatic. I think I'm actually a bit scared of her now.

One thing I don't get so far is why Jon, Ygritte and the rest are climbing over the wall. It's not like they're bringing an army so I don't really get what their motivation is. It made for some brilliant scenes though.

Granny & Tywin were great, as was the Tyrion/Cersei pairing and Varys/Baelish. Oh my god, Sansa, will she ever learn? I'm reading book 1 at the moment, just almost finished and I do feel incredibly sorry for her at what she's suffering at the hands of Joffrey but, just like watching the show at the time, I figured she'd have to wise up eventually and start plotting to look out for herself. Tyrion isn't perfect but, for all his faults, he's decent when it comes to Sansa and the whole idea of the match was as repulsive to him as it was to Sansa. One of the things I like about Tyrion is that he always seemed like the moral conscience of the Lannisters. He might like whoring and drinking but, that aside, he's a fair enough guy. She'll do better with him than anybody else. The whole scene with Sansa and Loras was painful. I'd say if he put up a big sign saying 'Not interested', she'd have still fawned over him. How much more obvious did he have to make it. Stupid girl!

On the other hand, I'm expecting lots more Dany and the Dragons next week. Now that's a girl who knows how to look after herself. Sansa could learn a whole heap there!

Hyzepher

I think two things were obvious from this episode.

First, they are putting a lot of emphasis on Frey and the marriage fiasco. I feel there is something up - either Rob's uncle (cant remember his name) will decide not to go through with the wedding and the frey's will get pissed off and Rob will have half an army (or worst if they side with the Lannisters, unlikely though) OR the Frey's are already pissed off due to Rob's marriage. I just can't see the whole marriage promise going without being punished.

Also, politics in Kings Landing are getting very complex and I wouldn't rule out some type of plot by the Tyrells. They have backed the Lannisters heavily but I just don't trust them nor do I trust Geoffrey to go ahead with his own wedding - his not as stupid as people make out and if he discovers a plot he's likely to go mental and kill everyone.

Bacchus

squonk wrote: »

One thing I don't get so far is why Jon, Ygritte and the rest are climbing over the wall. It's not like they're bringing an army so I don't really get what their motivation is. It made for some brilliant scenes though.

Wasn't there some sort of plan to set a big fire where they were going to open the gates? So, the rest of the wildlings are waiting for the signal to move.

Liam O

Book reader lurking, wanted to just say It's Joffrey, not Geoffrey. It's just a personal annoyance.

krudler

Can't believe there's only 3 episodes left feels like its just getting going, really wish they'd bump it to 13 episodes next year for a bit of breathing room.

Mr.Prodston

krudler wrote: »

Can't believe there's only 3 episodes left feels like its just getting going, really wish they'd bump it to 13 episodes next year for a bit of breathing room.

I have good news, there's 4 episodes left. Episode 7, 8, 9 and 10.

Valar Dohaeris :cool:

krudler

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I have good news, there's 4 episodes left. Episode 7, 8, 9 and 10.

Valar Dohaeris :cool:

Ah there is ha, still though, there's a lot to cram in to resolve all these stories.

Lemlin

squonk wrote: »

Great episode again for all the reasons mentioned above. I'm becoming disillusioned with Robb at this point. His whole storyline just seems to be going nowhere. He was rightly fúcked if Edmure had stuck to his guns and wanted to choose who he was to marry himself, like Robb. Roose Bolton stole the show in terms of the Northern Lords this week. He's a cagey guy. I'm starting to like him. Robb could do with a bit more of that sort of cop on I think.

I raised it in the thread about the last episode too. Last season I found Dany's storyline very boring. This season it's Robb's. I really think that idiot Edmure is going to get him into trouble. I certainly wouldn't like to be relying on him.

I thought last night was a poor enough episode, with the exception of Tywin and Granny Tyrell and the ending. Found the wall parts very boring and the opening scene with the girl from Skins and Sam was just, well, odd.

Sansa is a character that you love to hate. She's just so stupid it isn't right. You'd never think her and Arya were sisters.

Here's hoping Dany and the dragons return for a bit of excitement next week.

krudler

yeah you'd really think Sansa would have some cop on by now, but its still all weddings and princes with her, wake up you dope. Arya is the best character in the show by far, Tyrion a close second.