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RedRochey · 30-07-2019 10:12am

I thought Duignan was terrible yesterday, took everything very seriously and is always on about what he said or thought the last week, on about how he said Noel McGrath would be key this weekend and then he got man of the match, as if he needs to validate his analysis

corwill · 30-07-2019 11:33am

PhilipsR wrote: »

Jesus, Michael Duignan (sp?) says so much but literally says nothing at all.

As bad and all as he was, not as bad as McGrath and O'Cusack on the Sunday Game, talking complete squirt about sweepers. Apparently you're a Tan if you question the efficacy of the sweeper system, according to Donal Og.

But yeah, Duignan was as awful as ever. Who do you go to for decent hurling analysis in this country? It feels like everyone who might have something to offer is terrified of being the class swot.

Brian Hogan persisting with the auld nonsense that Cody and KK would never stoop so low as to soil themselves with tactics (spit), before giving a fairly detailed tactical breakdown of how he played for KK. Why this pathological horror at the suggestion that a great hurling team would tailor their play to exploit an opponent's weakness? So, so strange.

lawred2 · 30-07-2019 11:36am

corwill wrote: »

As bad and all as he was, not as bad as McGrath and O'Cusack on the Sunday Game, talking complete squirt about sweepers. Apparently you're a Tan if you question the efficacy of the sweeper system, according to Donal Og.

But yeah, Duignan was as awful as ever. Who do you go to for decent hurling analysis in this country? It feels like everyone who might have something to offer is terrified of being the class swot.

Brian Hogan persisting with the auld nonsense that Cody and KK would never stoop so low as to soil themselves with tactics (spit), before giving a fairly detailed tactical breakdown of how he played for KK. Why this pathological horror at the suggestion that a great hurling team would tailor their play to exploit an opponent's weakness? So, so strange.

RedRochey · 30-07-2019 11:46am

I don't mind Brendan Cummins but none of the rest seem to stand out. What's John Gardiner doing these days? He was a columnist for the42 last year and seemed to be alright.

Trimm Trabb · 30-07-2019 2:52pm

Did they cover the Sean O'Brien pub 'incident' at all?

They are in an awkward position in that they rely on access to rugby players for their coverage but on the other hand if an Irish soccer player did similar I can only imagine the coverage. Just wondering did I miss any mention of it as I sometimes forward through rugby chat.

kilns · 30-07-2019 3:42pm

Trimm Trabb wrote: »

Did they cover the Sean O'Brien pub 'incident' at all?

They are in an awkward position in that they rely on access to rugby players for their coverage but on the other hand if an Irish soccer player did similar I can only imagine the coverage. Just wondering did I miss any mention of it as I sometimes forward through rugby chat.

To be honest thats not really a sports story just a tabloid outrage story, leave that kind of stuff for Off the Ball to have a crusade against instead

dulux99 · 30-07-2019 4:22pm

Glad to see I'm not the only one to really be allergic to Michael Duignan. He's a terrible commentator and an even worse analyst.

30-07-2019 4:25pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

If Ken got an interview with Robbie keane and asked him the questions the daily mail journalist did...actually that just wouldn’t happen so interesting he totally defended the right of the journo to ask questions exclusively about singing, Christmas parties and decade old fights with Edgar Davids.

Murph’s protestations were batted away and unfortunately he lacked the backbone to fight his corner.

Robbie keane always gives the slight impression to me of being a bit of a big time Charlie but couldn’t blame him here.

sounds like keano was acting the proper football man out of nowhere here.

bit staunton-esque at this stage of his coaching career imo

Raoul · 30-07-2019 4:29pm

kilns wrote: »

To be honest thats not really a sports story just a tabloid outrage story, leave that kind of stuff for Off the Ball to have a crusade against instead

Was it covered on Off The Ball?

And nope, I don't think it was covered on Second Captains, I don't see why they shouldn't cover it though.

The Davestator · 30-07-2019 4:44pm

Raoul wrote: »

Was it covered on Off The Ball?

And nope, I don't think it was covered on Second Captains, I don't see why they shouldn't cover it though.

Oh yeasssss. They covered it and they covered the 'cover up' and bemoaned the lack of action taken by Leinster when it was publicly revealed to be SOB.
Bad example etc etc.

RedRochey · 30-07-2019 4:53pm

I think I remember them mentioning the academy player getting punched, there wasn't a discussion on any of it though, was probably just the headline that was mentioned

deisedude · 30-07-2019 5:00pm

corwill wrote: »

Who do you go to for decent hurling analysis in this country?

The GAA Hour is very good with Wooly Parkinson. Cheddar Plunkett Brian Carroll and JJ Delaney are regular contributors. Much more indepth than other hurling shows

30-07-2019 5:03pm

Haha it is funny to come on and see the Duignan stuff. I have never really thought about it much but the last 2 shows I have honestly been getting drowsy listening to him, wouldn't want to be driving with his episodes on!

Raoul · 30-07-2019 5:05pm

StockTwat29 wrote: »

I think I remember them mentioning the academy player getting punched, there wasn't a discussion on any of it though, was probably just the headline that was mentioned

Was that SOB also?

deisedude · 30-07-2019 5:09pm

Raoul wrote: »

Was that SOB also?

No Stan Wright, a former player punched Jack Dunne at some reunion for the 09 team

applehunter · 30-07-2019 10:52pm

Why was the report on the FAI AGM treated as a big joke by Gavin Cooney?

If you are involved in football in Ireland it is a serious issue.

Pidae.m · 30-07-2019 11:00pm

deisedude wrote: »

corwill wrote: »

Who do you go to for decent hurling analysis in this country?

The GAA Hour is very good with Wooly Parkinson. Cheddar Plunkett Brian Carroll and JJ Delaney are regular contributors. Much more indepth than other hurling shows

I never thought I'd ever have something good to say about woolberto but his show is excellent. Cheddar plunket talks so much sense.

corwill · 30-07-2019 11:22pm

applehunter wrote: »

Why was the report on the FAI AGM treated as a big joke by Gavin Cooney?

If you are involved in football in Ireland it is a serious issue.

If you don't laugh, you'd cry. It's hard not to be flabbergasted by the farce of it all, at this stage.

Arghus · 31-07-2019 1:39am

applehunter wrote: »

Why was the report on the FAI AGM treated as a big joke by Gavin Cooney?

If you are involved in football in Ireland it is a serious issue.

Seems to be kind of his tone every time they have him on. Though I still think he gets a lot of information across.

Though I agree with the above poster to an extent that that you have to laugh at the extent of the FAI's gowlery at times - and I all hope they eventually get their well deserved comeuppance.

lawred2 · 31-07-2019 8:15am

deisedude wrote: »

The GAA Hour is very good with Wooly Parkinson. Cheddar Plunkett Brian Carroll and JJ Delaney are regular contributors. Much more indepth than other hurling shows

Agreed. Analysis of the weekend's games was excellent. Wooly is very good at keeping the agenda moving on and making sure that everything gets discussed.

Dr_serious2 · 31-07-2019 9:50am

Pidae.m wrote: »

I never thought I'd ever have something good to say about woolberto but his show is excellent. Cheddar plunket talks so much sense.

Do the contributors to these podcasts get paid?

RedRochey · 31-07-2019 10:14am

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Do the contributors to these podcasts get paid?

Ya they have to be, can't see them doing it just for the craic, now it's probably not much

Dots1982 · 31-07-2019 10:45am

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Do the contributors to these podcasts get paid?

Maybe uncle Jim doesn’t because he doesn’t even realize he’s on a podcast and just thinks his nephew has rang him to chat GAA but of course all the others are getting paid.

Cienciano · 31-07-2019 11:34am

corwill wrote: »

If you don't laugh, you'd cry. It's hard not to be flabbergasted by the farce of it all, at this stage.

I agree, but has there ever been a stage where the FAI hasn't been a joke? It's a shambles as far as I can remember from the 90's, and by all accounts it was even worse back to the early 70's.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-07-2019 11:43am

Read "Who Stole Our Game" by Daire Whelan, your library should be able to get it

Unfortunately it was written just as JD was taking over, and the author hoped he'd be a breath of fresh air! But yes you wouldn't believe what went on in the 70s and 80s, lots of away friendlies in Poland in the 70s because the blazers could get the ride cheap over there (allegedly.)

EltonJohn69 · 31-07-2019 2:24pm

Are contributors paid by the word ? minute ? strength of their point ? a combination of all three ? .... maybe its down to their rep(reputation) and have a set fee e.g. Gary Neville would cost a thieves ransom !

corwill · 31-07-2019 2:56pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Agreed. Analysis of the weekend's games was excellent. Wooly is very good at keeping the agenda moving on and making sure that everything gets discussed.

Just given their Monday pod a twirl, I'm sold.

Dots1982 · 31-07-2019 3:57pm

Wooly has an enormous amount of tactical insight for a man who never coached any team at any level. His ability to rubbish managers and coaches who will achieve far more than he ever will is a turn off. He’s a good broadcaster but his ego is out of control. He’s not the time to change but a dose of humility would do him good.

Cienciano · 31-07-2019 4:03pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Read "Who Stole Our Game" by Daire Whelan, your library should be able to get it

Unfortunately it was written just as JD was taking over, and the author hoped he'd be a breath of fresh air! But yes you wouldn't believe what went on in the 70s and 80s, lots of away friendlies in Poland in the 70s because the blazers could get the ride cheap over there (allegedly.)

I remember an email going round ages ago (about 2003) about some of the madness of the FAI. One was along the lines of (and I can't remember the details here) an idiot was voted in as chief executive (or whatever the position was in the early 80's) because the guy making the deciding vote thought the more qualified guy who was also running threw a bun at him at a party several years earlier so he voted against him.

lawred2 · 31-07-2019 4:05pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Wooly has an enormous amount of tactical insight for a man who never coached any team at any level. His ability to rubbish managers and coaches who will achieve far more than he ever will is a turn off. He’s a good broadcaster but his ego is out of control. He’s not the time to change but a dose of humility would do him good.

ah jaysus

shur we better all shut up then :rolleyes:

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