Why do extremist Muslims hate/fear women so much?

3rdDegree

To go to these lengths to stop female education:


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0421/383689-afghanistan-schoolgirls-poison/?noredirection=true

Up to 74 schoolgirls in Afghanistan's far north fell sick after smelling gas and were being examined for possible poisoning.

There have been numerous cases of mass poisonings of schoolgirls by elements of Afghanistan's ultra-conservative society that are opposed to women's education.

Local officials said the girls became ill after smelling gas at their school, Bibi Maryam, in Takhar province's capital, Taluqan.

The city is about 250km north of the country's capital, Kabul.

The Takhar governor's spokesman, Sulaiman Moradi, blamed "enemies of the government and the country" for the mass illness and said the aim was to stop girls from going to school.

The girls were taken to the provincial hospital and most were released after being treated.

Several remained in a critical condition.

suicide_circus

Backward arseholes

southsiderosie

Why do extremists of every faith hate/fear women so much?

lkionm

southsiderosie wrote: »

Why do extremists of every faith hate/fear women so much?

Boob envy?

Cookie_Monster

because the bible / koran / whatever you're having generally insinuates it in their teachings / rules for life and the extremists can latch onto it easily and blow it out of all proportion to their own advantage.

Chuck Stone

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

*groan* Give it a rest will ye? Or rather, give her a rest.

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

I'd expect extremist rationalists to have.

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend here would probably by the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with.

Meh.

Chuck Stone

suicide_circus wrote: »

*groan* Give it a rest will ye? Or rather, give her a rest.

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

lkionm

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend here would probably by the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with.

Meh.

Can we bring Veronica Guerin as well for the craic?

lkionm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

Well it is half 6 on a monday morning, the internet is quiet for another bit.

Galwayguy35

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

No.

Maybe you missed it in the news when the results of the inquest came out.

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Unlike you and your type I try not to choose random variables and connect dots that aren't there.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend

I'm a Sinn Fein supporter? That's news to me.

the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with

Mc Cabe and Jean Mc Conville... the only two victims of the conflict useful idiots can name.

Yawn.

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yawn.

You should go to bed. It's 6.41am.

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Unlike you and your type I try not to choose random variables and connect dots that aren't there..

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

Chuck Stone

blatantrereg wrote: »

You should go to bed. It's 6.41am.

Why?

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why?

lol.

Ok you stay up if you want, but it will just make you more grumpy.

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

Just tired of seeing people dig up that woman time and again for their own agenda

WayneMolloy

lkionm wrote: »

Can we bring Veronica Guerin as well for the craic?

Sure why the f*ck not.

Mod

Cop on please and quit with the flaming and sniping.

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

You've extended your generalisations from a geographic area to a demographic.

Muslims and their treatment of women

What do you mean by the above? Is ill treatment of women an Islamic thing?

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You've extended your generalisations from a geographic area to a demographic.

Its the whole premise of this very thread. Muslims in Afghanistan and their mistreatment of women. Did you even read the opening piece?

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

Do you want to discuss the treatment of women or do you just want to discuss the treatment of women within Afghanistan because you feel like axe grinding?

Grayson

I'd say that the reason has more to do with culture & change. If you look at any place where people aren't that advanced and another group is subjugated, it's always change that people are afraid off. In India where the dalits are treated horribly, it's got nothing to do with gender.

Christian societies were like this until relatively recently. 25 years ago many women still needed their husbands permissions to access a joint account (not saying that's as bad as being forced to wear a burka and never go outside, but you hopefully get my point that discrimination was very real)

And strangely, although the Koran isn't very liberal with regards to womens rights, it's no worse than the bible ever was. Plus it makes the point of stating that women should be protected and looked after.

Shenshen

I think there might well be more than one answer.

The most obvious answer would be, they fear losing control. They currently find themselves in the nice position of being the head/sole owner of their family. In full control of everything, with all the rights anybody could give them over life and death of their wive(s) and offspring.

I would imagine the people who fear losing this control most would be the ones who know they've abused it the most, and fear a backlash.

But I do think it does go deeper than that. I suspect that there is a fear of not only losing control over their next of kin, but also a fear of losing control over themselves.
I always felt that the requirements placed on women by fundamentalist muslims show not so much a disdain for the women themselves, but a pathological fear of not being able to control oneself. I always thought that a burqa is a message to all men out there that at heart, they are nothing more but desire-driven animals who cannot possibly be trusted not to rape a woman once they glimpse her wrist or elbow. It's a statement that no man can be trusted to control himself.
Having grown up with this hidden message all around them, they might well fear that it's actually true.

Bassfish

One aspect to it is that boys and young men need their mother's blessing to engage in Jihad or become martyrs. For this to happen, they need to keep the female population ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Otherwise they might start copping that walking into a market with 50lbs of explosives strapped to you probably isn't a noble and godly thing to do. I know all religions subjugate women but the treatment of women in conservative Muslim societies is truly disgusting.

suicide_circus

Grayson wrote: »

Christian societies were like this until relatively recently. 25 years ago many women still needed their husbands permissions to access a joint account (not saying that's as bad as being forced to wear a burka and never go outside, but you hopefully get my point that discrimination was very real).

True but i dont recall any recent incidents of Christian extremists engaging in the gassing of school children.

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Do you want to discuss the treatment of women or do you just want to discuss the treatment of women within Afghanistan because you feel like axe grinding?

Is failing to legislate for the adequate medical treatment of pregnant women the same as trying to murder school kids?

Shenshen

suicide_circus wrote: »

True but i dont recall any recent incidents of Christian extremists engaging in the gassing of school children.

Well, not gassing them as such, but hurling abuse, throwing stones and fireworks, even urine-filled balloons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_dispute

The_Kew_Tour

I'm no lover of Catholic church, but comparing them to these extremists is bit lol worthy.

It's one thing not to have women involved in church, another to give them no rights in day to day life.