Why do extremist Muslims hate/fear women so much?

3rdDegree

To go to these lengths to stop female education:


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0421/383689-afghanistan-schoolgirls-poison/?noredirection=true

Up to 74 schoolgirls in Afghanistan's far north fell sick after smelling gas and were being examined for possible poisoning.

There have been numerous cases of mass poisonings of schoolgirls by elements of Afghanistan's ultra-conservative society that are opposed to women's education.

Local officials said the girls became ill after smelling gas at their school, Bibi Maryam, in Takhar province's capital, Taluqan.

The city is about 250km north of the country's capital, Kabul.

The Takhar governor's spokesman, Sulaiman Moradi, blamed "enemies of the government and the country" for the mass illness and said the aim was to stop girls from going to school.

The girls were taken to the provincial hospital and most were released after being treated.

Several remained in a critical condition.

suicide_circus

Backward arseholes

southsiderosie

Why do extremists of every faith hate/fear women so much?

lkionm

southsiderosie wrote: »

Why do extremists of every faith hate/fear women so much?

Boob envy?

Cookie_Monster

because the bible / koran / whatever you're having generally insinuates it in their teachings / rules for life and the extremists can latch onto it easily and blow it out of all proportion to their own advantage.

Chuck Stone

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

*groan* Give it a rest will ye? Or rather, give her a rest.

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

I'd expect extremist rationalists to have.

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend here would probably by the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with.

Meh.

Chuck Stone

suicide_circus wrote: »

*groan* Give it a rest will ye? Or rather, give her a rest.

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

lkionm

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend here would probably by the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with.

Meh.

Can we bring Veronica Guerin as well for the craic?

lkionm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

Well it is half 6 on a monday morning, the internet is quiet for another bit.

Galwayguy35

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

No.

Maybe you missed it in the news when the results of the inquest came out.

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Muslims and their treatment of women being criticised - divert, divert. Bring up Savita.

Unlike you and your type I try not to choose random variables and connect dots that aren't there.

Our Sinn Fein supporting friend

I'm a Sinn Fein supporter? That's news to me.

the first to roll his eyes when his opponents wheel out Garda McCabe or Jean McConville as a stick to bash shinners with

Mc Cabe and Jean Mc Conville... the only two victims of the conflict useful idiots can name.

Yawn.

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yawn.

You should go to bed. It's 6.41am.

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Unlike you and your type I try not to choose random variables and connect dots that aren't there..

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

Chuck Stone

blatantrereg wrote: »

You should go to bed. It's 6.41am.

Why?

blatantrereg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why?

lol.

Ok you stay up if you want, but it will just make you more grumpy.

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm flattered that your only contribution to this thread is a lame critique of my contribution.

Would you like to follow me and comment on everything I contribute?

Would that make you happy?

Just tired of seeing people dig up that woman time and again for their own agenda

WayneMolloy

lkionm wrote: »

Can we bring Veronica Guerin as well for the craic?

Sure why the f*ck not.

Mod

Cop on please and quit with the flaming and sniping.

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

You've extended your generalisations from a geographic area to a demographic.

Muslims and their treatment of women

What do you mean by the above? Is ill treatment of women an Islamic thing?

WayneMolloy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You've extended your generalisations from a geographic area to a demographic.

Its the whole premise of this very thread. Muslims in Afghanistan and their mistreatment of women. Did you even read the opening piece?

Chuck Stone

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Indeed. That is why you brought the Savita case up, in a thread about treatment of women in Afghanistan.

Do you want to discuss the treatment of women or do you just want to discuss the treatment of women within Afghanistan because you feel like axe grinding?

Grayson

I'd say that the reason has more to do with culture & change. If you look at any place where people aren't that advanced and another group is subjugated, it's always change that people are afraid off. In India where the dalits are treated horribly, it's got nothing to do with gender.

Christian societies were like this until relatively recently. 25 years ago many women still needed their husbands permissions to access a joint account (not saying that's as bad as being forced to wear a burka and never go outside, but you hopefully get my point that discrimination was very real)

And strangely, although the Koran isn't very liberal with regards to womens rights, it's no worse than the bible ever was. Plus it makes the point of stating that women should be protected and looked after.

Shenshen

I think there might well be more than one answer.

The most obvious answer would be, they fear losing control. They currently find themselves in the nice position of being the head/sole owner of their family. In full control of everything, with all the rights anybody could give them over life and death of their wive(s) and offspring.

I would imagine the people who fear losing this control most would be the ones who know they've abused it the most, and fear a backlash.

But I do think it does go deeper than that. I suspect that there is a fear of not only losing control over their next of kin, but also a fear of losing control over themselves.
I always felt that the requirements placed on women by fundamentalist muslims show not so much a disdain for the women themselves, but a pathological fear of not being able to control oneself. I always thought that a burqa is a message to all men out there that at heart, they are nothing more but desire-driven animals who cannot possibly be trusted not to rape a woman once they glimpse her wrist or elbow. It's a statement that no man can be trusted to control himself.
Having grown up with this hidden message all around them, they might well fear that it's actually true.

Bassfish

One aspect to it is that boys and young men need their mother's blessing to engage in Jihad or become martyrs. For this to happen, they need to keep the female population ignorant, uneducated and gullible. Otherwise they might start copping that walking into a market with 50lbs of explosives strapped to you probably isn't a noble and godly thing to do. I know all religions subjugate women but the treatment of women in conservative Muslim societies is truly disgusting.

suicide_circus

Grayson wrote: »

Christian societies were like this until relatively recently. 25 years ago many women still needed their husbands permissions to access a joint account (not saying that's as bad as being forced to wear a burka and never go outside, but you hopefully get my point that discrimination was very real).

True but i dont recall any recent incidents of Christian extremists engaging in the gassing of school children.

suicide_circus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Do you want to discuss the treatment of women or do you just want to discuss the treatment of women within Afghanistan because you feel like axe grinding?

Is failing to legislate for the adequate medical treatment of pregnant women the same as trying to murder school kids?

Shenshen

suicide_circus wrote: »

True but i dont recall any recent incidents of Christian extremists engaging in the gassing of school children.

Well, not gassing them as such, but hurling abuse, throwing stones and fireworks, even urine-filled balloons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_dispute

The_Kew_Tour

I'm no lover of Catholic church, but comparing them to these extremists is bit lol worthy.

It's one thing not to have women involved in church, another to give them no rights in day to day life.

stoneill

suicide_circus wrote: »

True but i dont recall any recent incidents of Christian extremists engaging in the gassing of school children.

Depends on what you mean by recent. probably not in your living memory but
there are still thousands of people alive in Ireland that bear the physical and emotional scars of christian fundamentalism and families directly affected by violence in religious institutions so severe that children were killed.

token101

It's not fear, they just want control. Everyone wants control. It's just a really extreme, demented form of control in Islamic countries. It's really got nothing to do with religion, it's an insecurity thing. It's primitive thinking, but it's fairly natural really. There's Irish men and women like that as well!

Bullseye1

I think the OP is looking specifically at Muslims. The title is a bit of a giveraway.

OP I guess it's all about ensuring men maintain the power. An educated woman is a danger to their ideas of society. In many ways it is similar (although no where near as extreme nowadays) to how the Vatican controls what position women hold in the church.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why do we expect extremists of any kind to have rational explanations for their behaviour?

Was the death of that Indian woman in the hospital in Galway a result of extremism?

WayneMolloy

token101 wrote: »

It's not fear, they just want control. Everyone wants control. It's just a really extreme, demented form of control in Islamic countries. It's really got nothing to do with religion, it's an insecurity thing. It's primitive thinking, but it's fairly natural really. There's Irish men and women like that as well!

Everyone wants control? Its not fear but insecurity (bit of an oxymoron, no?). It mostly happens in Islamic countries, but its not a religous thing? Its primitive but natural? There is Irish people who are not fearful, but insecure, who want a demented form of control like in Islamic countries?

Defuq am I reading here.

Have you had your weetabix yet?

bacon n eggs

My point of view for what it is worth, rarely do you hear of women raping, torturing, holding against will, towards men. I am not saying it doesn't happen it does and has but in the instances compared to women there is a massive difference. Also it has feck all to do with culture and geography or religion, some societies have evolved and realised their wrongs a lot quicker than others.

WayneMolloy

bacon n eggs wrote: »

My point of view for what it is worth, rarely do you hear of women raping, torturing, holding against will, towards men. I am not saying it doesn't happen it does and has but in the instances compared to women there is a massive difference. Also it has feck all to do with culture and geography or religion, some societies have evolved and realised their wrongs a lot quicker than others.

Which would suggest it has everything to do with culture, geography and religion, no?

bacon n eggs

Yes in some cases but bad things happen all over the world in all cultures but are tolerated as normal in a lot of places.

Shenshen

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Which would suggest it has everything to do with culture, geography and religion, no?

Not really. One society may well share a religion with another, but due to cultural differences the way one society will actually live the religion can be quite different. The US and Northern Europe are both mainly protestant Christian, but due to different cultures people in the US will treat religion very differently than people in, say, Sweden.

The same goes for culture, Ireland and the UK have a very similar culture, but one is mainly Catholic while the other is half Protestant, half indifferent.

So to blame the failings of a society on a culture or a religion or the geography means simplifying matters to such an extend that no actual insights can be gained.

simply simple

why do people believe everything media and news channels have to say, Think rationally, are we not devoted to criticize muslims for their acts and shift our responsibility as humans. Is helping with MONEY our only responsibility, cant the ones who have better understanding of extremism of any gruesome act, stand up to show better way of living instead of blaming. People belonging to any religion are part of our human race. Women are fighting for their rights in every corner of the globe. Like extreme riches in one part of the globe there are other extremes in other part of the globe. Rich cant be blamed for being cunning and unfair and religion cant be blamed for suppression of women, Both are a result of our social environment in some ways.

bacon n eggs

I think what I am trying to say (takes a while I know) I believe it not only muslims who hate and fear women, and as for extremists they care for no gender. If all countries looked back in history the fact that women had a back seat in home, work etc and no votes suggest that they all men feared/hated women at one time or another.

Wibbs

It's an incredibly patriarchal belief system/society. In such a culture the one thing that men fear is loss of reproductive control* and since women are biologically more in control the society seeks to reduce that as much as possible, hence all the covering up, restricted movement, polygamy, virginity being lauded etc. Any deviation from this causes real discomfort and anger.









*a general fear in men throughout history, for obvious reasons. Women always know a child is theirs, men can never be sure, well until DNA testing came along.

desertcircus

There is something unsettling about the media focus on Islam and predominantly Islamic countries, when it's far from clear that conservative Islam is unique in its treatment of women. I'd wager you'd be a long time waiting for someone to start a thread on AH about bride burnings and sex-selective abortions in India...

General General

desertcircus wrote: »

There is something unsettling about the media focus on Islam and predominantly Islamic countries, when it's far from clear that conservative Islam is unique in its treatment of women. I'd wager you'd be a long time waiting for someone to start a thread on AH about bride burnings and sex-selective abortions in India...

India has no oil.

Hindus don't talk about the restoration of the Hindu world empire, demand parallel courts, blow up people in western Europe & north America... nor do they tell us what we can & cannot say... or burn in hell for not being one of them.

Eh.

Grayson

General General wrote: »

India has no oil.

Hindus don't talk about the restoration of the Hindu world empire, demand parallel courts, blow up people in western Europe & north America... nor do they tell us what we can & cannot say... or burn in hell for not being one of them.

Eh.

No, but neither do most Muslims. Hindus do have a separate legal system if i remember correctly. half of India is governed by village courts. Indian extremists have been known to lock people in churches and mosques and set fire to the buildings. The violence perpetrated by Hindus against other faiths is horrible. But then again, you only said western europe. So you don't care how many are tortured and killed if they're not white?

And maybe if the US was bombing hindus every second day, they might want to blow up a few Americans.

It should also be remembered that Hindus also have a caste system. If you think they're soooo much better than Muslims or Christians, you should look up the word Dalit.


But to be fair, most groups in india have performed some type of ethic violence at some stage. Blaming a particular religion is rarely correct and really just racism.

CommanderC

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I'm no lover of Catholic church, but comparing them to these extremists is bit lol worthy.

It's one thing not to have women involved in church, another to give them no rights in day to day life.

Magdelene Laundries.

General General

Grayson wrote: »

No, but neither do most Muslims. Hindus do have a separate legal system if i remember correctly. half of India is governed by village courts.

Parallel courts, I'm sure you understand, refers to those in the UK for example. Why are you talking about village courts in India?

Grayson wrote: »

Indian extremists have been known to lock people in churches and mosques and set fire to the buildings. The violence perpetrated by Hindus against other faiths is horrible. But then again, you only said western europe. So you don't care how many are tortured and killed if they're not white?

Stupid question. Playing to some gallery in your head?

Grayson wrote: »

And maybe if the US was bombing hindus every second day, they might want to blow up a few Americans.

And maybe if me auntie had balls, she'd be me uncle..

Grayson wrote: »

It should also be remembered that Hindus also have a caste system. If you think they're soooo much better than Muslims or Christians, you should look up the word Dalit.

Seriously? You say this as if there isn't any similarity between treatment of some 'castes' & muslims of, say, sub-Saharan descent in parts of the muslim world.

& 'soooo much better'? Maybe you should look up another couple of words.

Grayson wrote: »

But to be fair, most groups in india have performed some type of ethic violence at some stage. Blaming a particular religion is rarely correct and really just racism.

Thanks for sharing this insight.

Chairman Meow

Cause they gay, innit.

FTA69

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I'm no lover of Catholic church, but comparing them to these extremists is bit lol worthy.

It's one thing not to have women involved in church, another to give them no rights in day to day life.

Up until the 1970s a woman working in the civil service had to quit her job if she got married. Similarly a woman also couldn't sign a contract. The mother and child health scheme failed after direct intervention from the church hierarchy. Women still today have no access to abortion if they so choose it. All of this was as a direct result of a Catholic influence in Irish society, basically rooted in the Church's belief that a woman's place is in the home pumping out new Catholics.

To suggest that official Catholicism didn't have a negative effect on women is "lols worthy."

Chronic Button

Actually, forget this. I thought I was in another forum...

Madam_X

FTA69 wrote: »

To suggest that official Catholicism didn't have a negative effect on women is "lols worthy."

The didn't suggest that - they just said catholicism today is not as bad for women as islamic fundamentalism. And they're right.