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UFC on Fox: Henderson vs. Melendez

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    #122
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I'll give that and the title to Melendez, I thought Henderson did a huge amount of running away for a champ in the final round of a razor thin fight


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    #123
    Davei141
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    I have Melendez 1,2 and 5. I have a feeling Henderson will get it though


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    #124
    scudzilla
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    That could go anyway, could be a 49-46, 48-47 to either fighter

    Wouldn't be surprised to see a draw


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    #125
    mailburner
    Registered Users Posts: 23,848 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    really have no idea who got it but put a gun to my head
    and ill say bendo
    a draw a possibility


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    #126
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    bull****

    edit:ah well :pac:


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    #127
    mailburner
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    fook it


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    #128
    darced
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    #129
    Davei141
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    **** off Henderson


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    #130
    DerekDGoldfish
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    Would he have still proposed if he lost?


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    #131
    Lenin Skynard
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    He didn't win that fight.


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    #132
    weemcd
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    what a corn ball


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    #133
    darced
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    #134
    DerekDGoldfish
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭DerekDGoldfish


    Champions will always get the edge in a close fight but Melendez should have won. Henderson might be able to win the re-match more convincingly if he stoped playing with his hair every 5 seconds.


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    #135
    weemcd
    Registered Users Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭weemcd


    DerekDGoldfish wrote: »
    Henderson might be able to win the re-match more convincingly if he stoped playing with his hair every 5 seconds.


    it must add up to about a minute spent from the entire fight of him just checking his hair, tie it, braid it or cut if off ffs.

    very annoying, hard fight to score. knew Bendo would have got the nod


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    #136
    seiphil
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    Had it 48-47 to Henderson. Won rounds 2,3 and 4.1 and 2 to Melendez. Could of went either way though. Would like to see rematch.


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    #137
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    DerekDGoldfish wrote: »
    Champions will always get the edge in a close fight but Melendez should have won. Henderson might be able to win the re-match more convincingly if he stoped playing with his hair every 5 seconds.

    I think thats pretty accurate


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    #138
    Gilbert Grape
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Gilbert Grape


    Henderson won without doubt


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    #139
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    Title shot is going to the winner of Grant/Maynard. Fairly disappointing, if anyone deserved an immediate rematch it's Melendez.


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    #140
    adamski8
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    Just reguritated my corn flakes after seeing that octagon proposal!

    the UFC is on a bit of a streak with cards delivering of late.


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    #141
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,138 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I know its not the whole picture, but i'm really looking for to the fight metric stats for the fight


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    #142
    Professey Chin
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    Had rounds 2,3 & 4 to henderson myself.
    Great card overall.


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    #143
    stealinhorses
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭stealinhorses


    Very close battle, probably more so than the Edgar fights. I think Bendo just edged it. Melendez didn't do enough to take the title from the champion, so in that case the belt should stay with Henderson.


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    #144
    riffmongous
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    stealinhorses wrote: »
    Very close battle, probably more so than the Edgar fights. I think Bendo just edged it. Melendez didn't do enough to take the title from the champion, so in that case the belt should stay with Henderson.

    I'd look at it the other way, in 3 out of 4 title fights now henderson hasnt done enough to conclusively prove he's the best


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    #145
    stealinhorses
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    But should the onus be on him to prove that he's the best or should someone take the belt from him? I know what you mean, but I think the burden lies on the challenger.


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    #146
    MrStuffins
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    stealinhorses wrote: »
    But should the onus be on him to prove that he's the best or should someone take the belt from him? I know what you mean, but I think the burden lies on the challenger.

    I'm not a fan of this way of thinking

    "You have to take the belt from the Champion"

    No, if you win the fight you become Champion. Each round is scored with a winner and a loser and the criteria are very clear, Striking, Grappling, Aggression & Control. They can't just add in another saying "Oh, and if you're incumbent champ, we'll give you the closer rounds".

    If you fight an identical fight against the same opponent and win a close decision first time, should that decision be different second time because you're opponent is now Champion? Absolutely not!


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    #147
    Gilbert Grape
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    Mellor wrote: »
    I know its not the whole picture, but i'm really looking for to the fight metric stats for the fight

    http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/04/henderson-vs-melendez-official-ufc.html


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    #148
    stealinhorses
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of this way of thinking

    "You have to take the belt from the Champion"

    No, if you win the fight you become Champion. Each round is scored with a winner and a loser and the criteria are very clear, Striking, Grappling, Aggression & Control. They can't just add in another saying "Oh, and if you're incumbent champ, we'll give you the closer rounds".

    If you fight an identical fight against the same opponent and win a close decision first time, should that decision be different second time because you're opponent is now Champion? Absolutely not!

    I agree with you completely. Just from looking around the web and seeing people say it was a complete robbery and Melendez should have been the new champ, you would think he 50-45'ed Bendo and the judges still gave it to him.
    It was an incredibly close fight and in my opinion Melendez could have persuaded the judges by simply going for it more, especially in the fifth round when the two of them just exchanged jabs for the last minute.
    If it's anybody's "fault" for Gilbert not getting the decision, it's his. The fight was very close and in order to show the world that he's the best lightweight in the world, as Jake Shields said between rounds, he needed to come at Henderson with a little more than he did.


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    #149
    pauldoo
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of this way of thinking

    "You have to take the belt from the Champion"

    fully agree, if we went with this, Frankie Edgar would still be champ.

    Henderson has been pretty fortunate with the decisions. Great fight, i thought Melendez was going to take a beating.

    The Mir fight was frustrating, everytime they seperated, Mir could get some shots off and tie up cormier, get reversed and held against the cage!

    Matt Brown delivered again, would like to see him have that fight with Hardy now


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    #150
    mailburner
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    shows how tight the division is in fairness with so little
    between the tops guys
    I think the one man who might have rose to the top
    is fighting aldo however


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    #151
    Gilbert Grape
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Gilbert Grape


    pauldoo wrote: »
    fully agree, if we went with this, Frankie Edgar would still be champ.

    Henderson has been pretty fortunate with the decisions. Great fight, i thought Melendez was going to take a beating.

    The Mir fight was frustrating, everytime they seperated, Mir could get some shots off and tie up cormier, get reversed and held against the cage!

    Matt Brown delivered again, would like to see him have that fight with Hardy now

    Hardy may be retiring due to having 'wolf heart',he will make a decision after he gets married.The ufc wanted to send him to a cardioligist but he would'nt go.


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