Boston Bombing

seannash

http://imgur.com/kQwZjws

MonaPizza

Why are they saying these guys are "considered armed and extremely dangerous and nobody but law enforcement should consider approaching them"?

How do they know they're armed?
How do they know they're extremely dangerous?

If they put out pictures of 2 guys...then surely they don't know who exactly they are, no? If they know who they are then why put out pictures? Why not just swoop and get them?

If they don't know who they are then how do they know they are armed and dangerous?

Why would you appeal to the public to help identify them ?
Billions for homeland security and they need the public's help after 3 days?

Weird!

degrassinoel

MonaPizza wrote: »

How do they know they're armed?
How do they know they're extremely dangerous?

1. They're assuming they are armed.
2. They are suspected of detonating the Boston marathon bombs.

I thought that second one was kind of obvious tbh

MonaPizza

degrassinoel wrote: »

1. They're assuming they are armed.
2. They are suspected of detonating the Boston marathon bombs.

I thought that second one was kind of obvious tbh

No they are "considered" to be armed and "dangerous"

You normally reserve this sort of talk for a rapist or serial killer when you want to protect the public. Why would a "pair" of would-be bombers pose any further threat to the public?

"Assuming" they're armed and dangerous? Don't you think that's fairly weak fear spreading for an agency that just spent $3.9 billion for a HQ?

If the DHS can fly drones the size of a soccer ball all over the southern border, if they can focus on every street corner in every city in the US, if they can have metal and bomb detectors in practically every school then why are they relying on the public and joe-public's footage and twitter feeds to catch someone that they can't even identify?

Seriously! If you had that footage of 2 guys tramping around and you had a BILLION dollars to catch them, would you just say "fcuk it!, let's call the public"...after 3 days?? Before the shrapnel had been dug out of the walls or the wounded?

If these guys are a flight risk then putting their images all over the place won't help that issue.

If the FBI, BPD and DHS are so competent and thorough then why are they asking the public to help them....BUT warning the public to stay away?

Why not just slowly and methodically go about the process of gathering evidence at a painstaking pace that could take months? And tell nobody ?

King Mob

MonaPizza wrote: »

No they are "considered" to be armed and "dangerous"

You normally reserve this sort of talk for a rapist or serial killer when you want to protect the public. Why would a "pair" of would-be bombers pose any further threat to the public?

Or people suspected with setting bombs and killing people.
Why assume that they would not be a further threat?

Why do you think they claim the suspects are armed and dangerous?

MonaPizza wrote: »

Seriously! If you had that footage of 2 guys tramping around and you had a BILLION dollars to catch them, would you just say "fcuk it!, let's call the public"...after 3 days?? Before the shrapnel had been dug out of the walls or the wounded?

How would having money help them catch the suspects?
Government cameras are not omnipresent and there wasn't any drones over Boston. Private citizens would have much much more photos than they do.
Further, facial recognition is not magic like you see in the movies.

MonaPizza wrote: »

If the FBI, BPD and DHS are so competent and thorough then why are they asking the public to help them....BUT warning the public to stay away?

Because the public might 1) know who they are and identify them or 2) spot them and alert the authorities.

MonaPizza wrote: »

Why not just slowly and methodically go about the process of gathering evidence at a painstaking pace that could take months? And tell nobody ?

They are doing this also, that's how they found the footage of the suspects in the first place.
But it is slow. Asking for help from the public opens another line for possible information and clues.
Why should they not utilise something that could possibly speed up the investigation?

Corkfeen

MonaPizza wrote: »

No they are "considered" to be armed and "dangerous"

You normally reserve this sort of talk for a rapist or serial killer when you want to protect the public. Why would a "pair" of would-be bombers pose any further threat to the public?

"Assuming" they're armed and dangerous? Don't you think that's fairly weak fear spreading for an agency that just spent $3.9 billion for a HQ?

If the DHS can fly drones the size of a soccer ball all over the southern border, if they can focus on every street corner in every city in the US, if they can have metal and bomb detectors in practically every school then why are they relying on the public and joe-public's footage and twitter feeds to catch someone that they can't even identify?

Seriously! If you had that footage of 2 guys tramping around and you had a BILLION dollars to catch them, would you just say "fcuk it!, let's call the public"...after 3 days?? Before the shrapnel had been dug out of the walls or the wounded?

If these guys are a flight risk then putting their images all over the place won't help that issue.

If the FBI, BPD and DHS are so competent and thorough then why are they asking the public to help them....BUT warning the public to stay away?

Why not just slowly and methodically go about the process of gathering evidence at a painstaking pace that could take months? And tell nobody ?

But that's standard practise for the FBI, glance around their website and you'll find tons of picture of people who are armed and dangerous. There's advantages to putting their faces on tv. You have 250 million people watching out for them which is far superior to a few drones especially if they remain indoors. Plus there's no harm into forcing them to move, out of fear as it could increase their likelihood of being spotted or caught. But in all honest, there's nothing unusual about their response.

MonaPizza

Corkfeen wrote: »

But that's standard practise for the FBI, glance around their website and you'll find tons of picture of people who are armed and dangerous. There's advantages to putting their faces on tv. You have 250 million people watching out for them which is far superior to a few drones especially if they remain indoors. Plus there's no harm into forcing them to move, out of fear as it could increase their likelihood of being spotted or caught. But in all honest, there's nothing unusual about their response.

Maybe, Corkfeen,

Seems awfully quick to admit that you can't find the most wanted in the land after a few days. Those mugs on the FBI site are generally stick-up men who they've [the cops/fbi] have forgotten about or couldn't find under their own steam after years.
Putting their faces on tv so soon would, (in my feeble little mind at least) cause them to run faster.
If bog standard police-work and public cooperation is still the order of the day, then why all the surveillance? why all the security that doesn't stop this stuff?
If trillions are spent on this massive security apparatus then why is it not now just dismantled and the clowns who advocate it just go back to basics?

MonaPizza

And I didn't see one of those backward-baseball cap numpties putting ANYTHING down?
They look SO armed and dangerous!

Do those backpacks look like they were housing a pressure cooker the size of a watermelon and weighing 50lbs?

Two nobodys wandering past the camera....BUT DON'T GO NEAR THEM FOLKS, THEY'RE ARMED.

These are pics that aren't even put forward to the public:

Why not? Why not ask the public to identify (and steer clear of any of these guys)?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34645.htm

Why just two nobodys who we don't even know were even in Boston? They could just as easily have been walking through a mall in LA. or Paris or anywhere.

Jonny7

MonaPizza wrote: »

And I didn't see one of those backward-baseball cap numpties putting ANYTHING down?
They look SO armed and dangerous!

Do those backpacks look like they were housing a pressure cooker the size of a watermelon and weighing 50lbs?

Two nobodys wandering past the camera....BUT DON'T GO NEAR THEM FOLKS, THEY'RE ARMED.

These are pics that aren't even put forward to the public:

Why not? Why not ask the public to identify (and steer clear of any of these guys)?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34645.htm

Why just two nobodys who we don't even know were even in Boston? They could just as easily have been walking through a mall in LA. or Paris or anywhere.

**** going down in Boston, one officer down, reports of multiple explosions.

Looks like it is related, but no confirmation.

Tzar Chasm

I may just be an old cynic, but maybe one of the reasons for putting their pictures out there is there possibility that a concerned and angered citizen may take matters into their own hands, if these guys get shot then thats it, no trial, no more investigation, pin it all on the two corpses and everyone can go back to watching American Idol.

Sacksian

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

a concerned and angered citizen may take matters into their own hands, if these guys get shot then thats it, no trial, no more investigation, pin it all on the two corpses and everyone can go back to watching American Idol.

I'm pretty sure that would be murder, so that's probably not the plan - what with all the public scrutiny & attention that would bring.

Ironically enough, more people watch crime dramas (which involve implausibly complicated theories of criminality, conspiracy and subterfuge) than American Idol - seems crime conspiracy is America's NO.1 entertainment industry.

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I may just be an old cynic, but maybe one of the reasons for putting their pictures out there is there possibility that a concerned and angered citizen may take matters into their own hands, if these guys get shot then thats it, no trial, no more investigation, pin it all on the two corpses and everyone can go back to watching American Idol.

You think the heads of the investigation, the Boston police force, the FBI, actually sat in a room, picked some pictures out and said, lets release these to the public, they hopefully be killed off, and we can get off work early go eat some donuts?

Star Fish

Suspect shot dead, he won't be talking!!!

Jonny7

Star Fish wrote: »

Suspect shot dead, he won't be talking!!!

Yes, because he is dead.

stuar

Here's one of the suspects/patsies...Sunil Tripathi.....missing since March 16th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wo5OfXLjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Ecru5RLdk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv707jFryPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_NjO7_fVYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5CJhPZNdk

None of those two look like they are carrying pressure cookers in their bags, and notice the possible fed on the right messing with an ear piece as they pass.

Funnily the FBI have been involved in the month long search for Sunil Tripathi after he vanished....

Jonny7

There is a very apparent difference between the search for the truth and the search for conspiracies

stuar

The unexploded bomb?



Before the explosion...



After the explosion...



The pictures above seem to show the pressure cooker bomb in place beside the bin before the explosion, none of the pictures of the suspects/patsies show them carrying something of that size.

This whole story stinks of BS, apart from the obvious (reports of bomb drills on the day in the same place AGAIN) how come such a large object was left on the outside of the barrier and none of the FBI, Homeland Security, Boston Police, State Troopers or Private Security bothered to check what it was.

stuar

The oul battery ain't looking too bad after being used in a bomb....considering it was packed with nails, shards of metal and ball bearings..(magic passports!)



Then the two suspects cross the Charles River and supposedly rob a shop, then cause a disturbance at a college 3 days later, throw grenades at police

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

There is a very apparent difference between the search for the truth and the search for conspiracies

Meaning???

stuar

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Obvious really. Conspiracy theorists often require little proof to believe their versions of events

What evidence/proof is there to believe these 2 patsies were involved?, look at the above pictures, do you think thats the bomb beside the bin?

Can you find a picture of either of the patsies carrying something of that size?

Wheres the evidence of one of them placing it there?

So far there's a lot more evidence to say the official account is b0llox.....

Of course if you know something I don't feel free to show it.

Edit:
Kaiser seems to have removed his post for some reason??????

Edit:

Police swept the finish-line area for explosives the morning of the race and about an hour before elite runners began crossing at about noon, said Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis. That leaves about a four-hour window before the two explosions at 2:50 p.m. the claimed the three lives and injured the others, some critically.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-18/boston-probe-said-focused-on-person-dropping-bag-at-site.html

So police were looking for explosives BEFORE the blasts, yet they didn't notice the large bag on the outside of the barrier.....

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

What evidence/proof is there to believe these 2 patsies were involved?, look at the above pictures, do you think thats the bomb beside the bin?

They are patsies now? based on what?

Can you find a picture of either of the patsies carrying something of that size?

The FBI have released images of the two men they believe to be involved in the bombing. Two men seen on the day, moments before the shooting.

Wheres the evidence of one of them placing it there?

You aren't privvy to all the information that the investigators have, perhaps they have direct footage of it, perhaps they deduced from many factors that these two men are those with the highest likelihood of involvement in the bombing.

The events transpiring now in Boston seem to indicate that they are onto two very violent suspects, and looks to be related to the bombing, but no confirmation yet.

So far there's a lot more evidence to say the official account is b0llox.....

No, actually there isn't. However there most definitely is a whole bunch of random speculation.

From conspiracy quarters comes the search for a conspiracy.

whatstherush

stuar wrote: »

So police were looking for explosives BEFORE the blasts, yet they didn't notice the large bag on the outside of the barrier.....

The guy pictured in the wheel chair with the missing legs, has stated that he saw one of them drop the bag by his feet, 2 1/2 minutes before it went off. If the item you are referring to above was left there in that kind of time frame, do you not think it reasonable that the police might not have seen it.

beans

King Mob wrote: »

Whenever one crisis passes without the NWO etc launching their evil plot, conspiracy theory writers just go back to random prediction mode until then next event.

I'm not sure why you find the clip interesting or worthy of reposting...

I wasn't pushing that clip as anything other than an interesting statement given what occurred, and the timing; I wasn't endorsing it, nor trying to spin it one way or the other. It could be just noise, or it could be an astute reading of the situation. I thought, given the nature of the forum, that folks here would be at least interested in consuming the info.

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

They are patsies now? based on what?

Suspicion.......
Bomb Drills on the day.....
None of the Patsies carrying anything the size of a pressure cooker....
No CCTV or anything showing either placing the bomb in place.......
Past experience of false flags, where Drills just happened to be going on in same place at same time........7/7....9/11 etc..........

Jonny7 wrote: »

The FBI have released images of the two men they believe to be involved in the bombing. Two men seen on the day, moments before the shooting.

I thought it was a bombing not a shooting.......
But anyway, the FBI also supplied the bomb for the 1993 WTC bombing so I wouldn't have too much faith in them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPF2rnRJn3s

Jonny7 wrote: »

You aren't privvy to all the information that the investigators have, perhaps they have direct footage of it, perhaps they deduced from many factors that these two men are those with the highest likelihood of involvement in the bombing.

Either are you but you blindly believe everything your spoon fed, I just saw a few things that dont make sense, and I question them.
Well they should have direct footage of one of them carrying the bomb left beside the bin, but as usual the FBI probably confiscated all cctv of the area and it will never be seen.......

Jonny7 wrote: »

The events transpiring now in Boston seem to indicate that they are onto two very violent suspects, and looks to be related to the bombing, but no confirmation yet.

Or 2 patsies, that unwittingly were dragged into something they knew nothing about, watch as the stories continue to change and contradict the one before, it's already started.

Jonny7 wrote: »

No, actually there isn't. However there most definitely is a whole bunch of random speculation.

From conspiracy quarters comes the search for a conspiracy.

As I said I'm only pointing out what doesn't make sense to me from the official story, so I think you could call me a skeptic.

skep·tic

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noun 1. a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.

2. a person who maintains a doubting attitude, as toward values, plans, statements, or the character of others.

Penn

Calm it down, everyone.

stuar

whatstherush wrote: »

The guy pictured in the wheel chair with the missing legs, has stated that he saw one of them drop the bag by his feet, 2 1/2 minutes before it went off. If the item you are referring to above was left there in that kind of time frame, do you not think it reasonable that the police might not have seen it.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-18/boston-probe-said-focused-on-person-dropping-bag-at-site.html

It doesn't say he identified him from a picture, just cap, sunglasses and black jacket.....oh and while out of it on drugs, which I presume he still is.

I'm talking about the bomb beside the bin in the pictures I posted, somebody would have had to carry that through the crowd seen standing there, dropped it over the barrier and made off, without causing any suspicion............while the police were "sweeping" the place for explosives....

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

None of the Patsies carrying anything the size of a pressure cooker....

I have a pressure cooker, it wuold easily fit in my backpack. Subjective.

You mean the "patsies" who have been reportedly (by the whole ****ing city of Boston) been throwing grenades and shooting at police, killing one officer and wound another critically?

Well they should have direct footage of one of them carrying the bomb left beside the bin, but as usual the FBI probably confiscated all cctv of the area and it will never be seen

Why would you be entitled to this information? they are trying to catch the perpetrators not you.

If they want the publics help, they release information. They aren't infallible.

As I said I'm only pointing out what doesn't make sense to me from the official story, so I think you could call me a skeptic.

And Alex Jones claims the same, 40-odd minutes after the bombs went off. He's just asking questions that's all. We all know it's complete nonsense though.

studiorat

http://rt.com/news/chechnya-suspect-boston-bombing-110/


http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/I0000LluvfoSaW5Q

Same guy?

whatstherush

stuar wrote: »

It doesn't say he identified him from a picture, just cap, sunglasses and black jacket.....oh and while out of it on drugs, which I presume he still is.

I didn't make any point about him ID the guy or not

stuar wrote: »

I'm talking about the bomb beside the bin in the pictures I posted, somebody would have had to carry that through the crowd seen standing there, dropped it over the barrier and made off, without causing any suspicion............while the police were "sweeping" the place for explosives....

Again I'm not contesting about which bomb he was caught in, all I was asking is if the the item was left there 2 and 1/2 minutes before the explosion as described by an eye witness to one of the bombs, do you think it reasonable that it might not have been caught by the police?

DazMarz

The right-wing American militia angle is gone, more or less now.

Two Chechens are now the prime suspects. One has been killed already. One who's only 19 and is on the run.

Jesus.