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    #1112
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If you're in court on a murder charge ,would you be happy to accept a long sentence because your defence didn't prove you didn't do it even though the prosecution just sat there and offered no case beyond "that guy did it"? Or would you like them to actually prove you did it?

    Are we in court?


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    #1113
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Surely releasing the full, unedited, video would conclusively show what the guy was doing and can only strengthen the case that something was amiss? Strange that people seeking truth wouldn't release all the truth, no?

    It's almost like they are withholding information and just showing you what they want you to see. But that cant be true, because that's what the authorities do to fool the people and they're the opposite to that.

    Where can you get the video?


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    #1114
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Why do you believe they are in the correct order? Why not show the WHOLE video as evidence instead of snapshots?

    I don't have the video. Why wouldn't I believe it?


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    #1115
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    Where can you get the video?

    You're the one quoting the video as fact, Maybe you should contact the guy who uploaded his "evidence" and ask him for the full video?


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    #1116
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he didnt say they are in an incorrect order. he questioned whether they are. there is a difference. as it is just a series of stills it is impossible to say one way or another that they are in the correct order. that makes it impossible to draw any conclusions from what is shown. you say that others have made their mind up already but they are the only ones asking questions. you have just accepted what has been spoonfed to you.

    You made up your mind before you saw the video!!!! Stop being dishonest. I'm just looking for answers that the video raises.


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    #1117
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,354 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I don't have the video. Why wouldn't I believe it?

    why would you believe it? unless you had already made up your mind before viewing and believe it because it reinforces a conclusion you had already come to.


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    #1118
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I don't have the video. Why wouldn't I believe it?

    I could take a video of a man walking down the street and in that video a woman falls over as he passes. I could easily edit that video and show only selected frames that prove (in your eyes) that the man viciously attacked her. Would that be evidence of assault in your eyes?


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    #1119
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,354 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    noway12345 wrote: »
    You made up your mind before you saw the video!!!! Stop being dishonest. I'm just looking for answers that the video raises.


    i'm just asking questions. before you look for answers you need to ask questions. you havent done that. you've taken the 'video' and the voiceover at face value.


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    #1120
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You're the one quoting the video as fact, Maybe you should contact the guy who uploaded his "evidence" and ask him for the full video?

    I'm just saying what we see on the video. It's you and others who're saying that it says something different.


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    #1121
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I'm just saying what we see on the video. It's you and others who're saying that it says something different.

    But we are only seeing snapshots of the video with a guy TELLING us that this is what has happened, we only have HIS word for it.


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    #1122
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,354 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I'm just saying what we see on the video. It's you and others who're saying that it says something different.

    but its not a video. if you had linked to a video then it would be taken more seriously.


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    #1123
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why would you believe it? unless you had already made up your mind before viewing and believe it because it reinforces a conclusion you had already come to.

    I'd believe it because it shows a man running by his wife, running around in circles, talking to other people, dropping an unidentified object, all the while his wife is lying injured just beside him.


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    #1124
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,354 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I'd believe it because it shows a man running by his wife, running around in circles, talking to other people, dropping an unidentified object, all the while his wife is lying injured just beside him.

    it doesnt show any of those things.


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    #1125
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I could take a video of a man walking down the street and in that video a woman falls over as he passes. I could easily edit that video and show only selected frames that prove (in your eyes) that the man viciously attacked her. Would that be evidence of assault in your eyes?

    There's no way of editing that. You'd have to show him hitting her. In this video it shows him ignoring his wife!


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    #1126
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm just asking questions. before you look for answers you need to ask questions. you havent done that. you've taken the 'video' and the voiceover at face value.

    I have asked questions. Why would he run past his wife? Why ignore her while talking to other people?


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    #1127
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    But we are only seeing snapshots of the video with a guy TELLING us that this is what has happened, we only have HIS word for it.

    We see him ignoring his wife.


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    #1128
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    but its not a video. if you had linked to a video then it would be taken more seriously.

    I don't have the video but we have a video of the pictures.


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    #1129
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I have asked questions. Why would he run past his wife? Why ignore her while talking to other people?

    Ok

    Let's take this slowly

    You say he runs past her and ignores her?

    Where is your evidence for this?

    Bear in mind that a few pictures is not evidence without the FULL video that shows this.


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    #1130
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    it doesnt show any of those things.

    Look at the video again then.


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    #1131
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    We see him ignoring his wife.

    No you don't because you have NO idea of exactly where in the video that the picture is taken from.


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    #1132
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ok

    Let's take this slowly

    You say he runs past her and ignores her?

    Where is your evidence for this?

    Bear in mind that a few pictures is not evidence without the FULL video that shows this.

    Look at the video, it clearly shows him running past her.


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    #1133
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,354 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    noway12345 wrote: »
    I have asked questions. Why would he run past his wife? Why ignore her while talking to other people?


    see. you have assumed that he ran past his wife. did you see him running past his wife? or did you see stills where he approached his wife and another still where he is past his wife and nothing to show what happened in between or even if the events occurred in that order. you have just assumed all that because morondrone told you. go and find a primary source video of the event (there must be hundreds of them available) and take a look yourself at what actually happened.


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    #1134
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    No you don't because you have NO idea of exactly where in the video that the picture is taken from.

    Why doubt the video?


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    #1135
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    Look at the video, it clearly shows him running past her.

    No it doesn't!


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    #1136
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    Why doubt the video?

    Why believe it?


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    #1137
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    see. you have assumed that he ran past his wife. did you see him running past his wife? or did you see stills where he approached his wife and another still where he is past his wife and nothing to show what happened in between or even if the events occurred in that order. you have just assumed all that because morondrone told you. go and find a primary source video of the event (there must be hundreds of them available) and take a look yourself at what actually happened.

    We need to find the video to know for sure but I have no reason to believe that the pictures are edited to make it look like he's ignoring her. For some reason you and the others do.


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    #1138
    noway12345
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭noway12345


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Why believe it?

    There's no reason not to.


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    #1139
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noway12345 wrote: »
    There's no reason not to.

    Of course there is

    As i said already
    I could take a video of a man walking down the street and in that video a woman falls over as he passes. I could easily edit that video and show only selected frames that prove (in your eyes) that the man viciously attacked her. Would that be evidence of assault in your eyes?


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    #1140
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,737 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Please read the forum charter, specifically on beliefs.


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    #1141
    Guy:Incognito
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    We need to find the video to know for sure but I have no reason to believe that the pictures are edited to make it look like he's ignoring her. For some reason you and the others do.

    If the video was made and released by the government you would though. It'd be the same video.

    Why do you assume the person is telling you the truth when they are witholding evidence? If the authorities did the same you'd say it was proof they are lying.


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