Maggie Thatcher dead - Mega merge thread

summerskin

wonderfullife wrote: »

This anti-working class thing is obviously true to an extent but it should never be forgotten that she was the one who allowed, encouraged and oversaw over a million families in the UK buying their own council houses. Of course she is hated and vilified in cities like Liverpool, Sheffield etc but even the current Labour leadership recognise she did a lot of good for the working class in the 1980s.

The concept that a working class family can work hard and buy their own home is something to be admired and that sort of aspirational attitude would do our own country a world of good right now.

Right to buy only served to reduce the number of social housing available to those in genuine need of it, those who could never afford to buy. Definitely not something to celebrate.

dodderangler

Sittin on couch and herself comes in an says someone put upon Facebook that maggie is dead
So I jumped up and started singing ding dong witch is dead

Standard Toaster

Here's Maggie Thatcher (open palms)
Throw her up and catch her (gesture throw and catch)
Squish Squash, Squish Squash (rub palms together)
There's Maggie Thatcher (open palms)


Who remembers that?

I Heart Internet

Anyone wrote: »

She destroyed many working class industries throughout the UK, and never replaced them...citys,towns and communities are still feeling the affects of her policies.

This is typical socialist pining for a managed/control economy. Thinking it's governements role to provide industry and jobs for people to occupy.

World economics, supply and demand, destoyed industries in the Uk in the 20th century - Thatcher just plugged out the life-support to allow the economy to move on.

Harsh on individuals who lost jobs but dragged british industry out of the dark-ages.

true

the groutch wrote: »

now we know where the allegiances of the AH mods lie.

people say their happy Thatcher's dead, and say "Ding Dong the witch is dead". Mods do nothing.

people say anything remotely bad about Brian Lenihan when he died, a man who bankrupted our entire country, bans are handed out left right and centre.

+1.

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Lenihan was Irish. Thus his family might have been reading.

The internet knows no boundaries.

Seachmall

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Emm, yes it does. Decent human beings do not speak ill of the dead. There is a reason that taboo is passed into our culture.

Ridiculous.

Decent human beings treat people with the respect they feel they deserve.

Only a hypocrite would change their position because that person has died. Their past remains the same.

Cody Pomeray

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Emm, yes it does. Decent human beings do not speak ill of the dead. There is a reason that taboo is passed into our culture.

Says who?

The idea of a rigid culture which is "ours", with which we must comply or clear off is also distinctly Thatcherite.

Dead or not, I think she was a cnut of magnificent proportions.

Fratton Fred

Anyone wrote: »

Its not just an anti British thing, the woman was anti working class as well. She destroyed many working class industries throughout the UK, and never replaced them...citys,towns and communities are still feeling the affects of her policies.

You obviously missed the Honda, Nissan and Toyota car plants then.

summerskin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Emm, yes it does. Decent human beings do not speak ill of the dead. There is a reason that taboo is passed into our culture.

nonsense. a bástard in life is still a bástard in death.

death does not give you forgiveness.

thecommietommy

Anynama141 wrote: »

That would be the Garret Fitzgerald who first won a say for the Republic in the affairs of Northern Ireland, and established that principle for future negotiations on the North?

Yeah, she sure put one over on him...

Snatcher invovled Sir Garret in the Anglo Irish Agreement to give it the " Irish dimension " appearence. The whole point of the Anglo Irish Agreement was to try and stop the rise of Sinn Fein (which the Brits didn't deny at the time). Sir Garret didn't win anything, all he did was dot the i's and cross the t's. As the saying went at the time, if Thatcher sneezed Sir Garret would apologise and clean it up for her.

Anynama141

dodderangler wrote: »

So I jumped up and started singing ding dong witch is dead

Has anything ever become a cliché so quickly?

Although I admit that was the first thing I thought of too...

laoch na mona

did not respect her in life won't in death

I Heart Internet

Seachmall wrote: »

Ridiculous.

Decent human beings treat people with the respect they feel they deserve.

Only a hypocrite would change their position because that person has died. Their past remains the same.

Fair enough Seachmall. Seems reasonable but it does allow even for this level of cruelty/stupidity:

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Rot in hell.

May her grave be used as a toilet for many years to come.

awec

leahyl wrote: »

A touching tribute from Gerry Adams:

"Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies."

I'm sure the irony here is lost on nobody, plenty of communities in Britain were devastated by IRA bombs. Like her or not, disagree with her policies or not, but Gerry Adams making such a statement is laughable.

Nodin

true wrote: »

She was proved right on so many things. Russia, Standing up to the IRA. Standing up to the Argentinian government who were responsible for thousands of "disappeared". ......

Bit odd she lifted arms sanctions on Pinochet then, isn't it?

I suppose the UDR fan club has a great deal of cross membership with Thatchers.

thecommietommy

laoch na mona wrote: »

did not respect her in life won't in death

Good for you mate.

Anynama141

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You obviously missed the Honda, Nissan and Toyota car plants then.

And of course the coal mines would be operating if money could be made out of them. Perhaps their time will come again.

conorhal

Anyone wrote: »

Its not just an anti British thing, the woman was anti working class as well. She destroyed many working class industries throughout the UK, and never replaced them...citys,towns and communities are still feeling the affects of her policies.

She did, to a certain extent.

Thatcherism was largely the product of union intransigence though. People forget the state of the UK was in by the late 70's, black-outs, brown-outs, mountains of rubbish piling up in the streets, a three day week instituted because everything was breaking down and rampant inflation everywhere while the Labor government, in the thrawl of the unions seemed powerless to prevent the spreading chaos as is buried it's head in the sand. Thatcherism was the inevitable consequence of all this, the left in many ways by seeking to protect their vested interests brought her on themselves, something the left would do well to remember today...

Nodin

They say 'When theres no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth'. Given the attention due Mrs Thatcher, will this in fact trigger the zombie apocalypse?

Muilleann

Britain was in malaise when she took over.

The Unions had taken over the country.

She made decisions which no other politician had the stomach for.

History will remember her for phrases such as "There is no society" (she was very wrong in saying that) but it will also remember her for being a conviction politician and there are not too many of them around anymore.

Only Christ can judge her now.

thecommietommy

Nodin wrote: »

Bit odd she lifted arms sanctions on Pinochet then, isn't it?

I suppose the UDR fan club has a great deal of cross membership with Thatchers.

Martina Anderson will be having a good chuckle in Brussells as the Tories cry their hearts out

Anynama141

thecommietommy wrote: »

Snatcher invovled Sir Garret in the Anglo Irish Agreement to give it the " Irish dimension " appearence. The whole point of the Anglo Irish Agreement was to try and stop the rise of Sinn Fein (which the Brits didn't deny at the time). Sir Garret didn't win anything, all he did was dot the i's and cross the t's. As the saying went at the time, if Thatcher sneezed Sir Garret would apologise and clean it up for her.

So why did they make this huge concession of allowing a foreign country have a say in the governance of part of the UK? Thatcher was suddenly concerned with appearances? :pac:

Your 'analysis' doesn't really stand up, does it?

Fratton Fred

conorhal wrote: »

She did, to a certain extent.

Thatcherism was largely the product of union intransigence though. People forget the state of the UK was in by the late 70's, black-outs, brown-outs, mountains of rubbish piling up in the streets, a three day week instituted because everything was breaking down and rampant inflation everywhere while the Labor government, in the thrawl of the unions seemed powerless to prevent the spreading chaos as is buried it's head in the sand. Thatcherism was the inevitable consequence of all this, the left in many ways brought her on themselves, something the left would do well to remember today...

People very quickly forget the likes of Arthur Scargill and Derek Hatton,

true

wonderfullife wrote: »

This was a democratically elected leader with a mandate serving the interests of her nation as she saw fit. Her mandate was not to tip-toe around Argentina, Ireland and anyone else she pissed off. She may have been a divisive figure in her own country but it's worth remembering she was re-elected twice and served 3 terms as Prime Minister.

On an Irish level if we can welcome the Queen to Dublin, given there is no higher representation of Britishness, then surely the vitriol and hate towards Maggie is of another age.

We've moved on. This woman has now moved on. Surely anybody harbouring resentment can best show that by indifference to her passing. She's dead, may she rest in peace.

+1. In the 1980's whole classes of Irish school leavers emigrated to England to work , to her economy, when there was flip all here. A great woman. If only people had listened to her about Europe we would not be in this mess.

And she was proved right on the IRA in the end, just like she was proved right on communism. .

FTA69

summerskin wrote: »

Right to buy only served to reduce the number of social housing available to those in genuine need of it, those who could never afford to buy. Definitely not something to celebrate.

Not to mention the fact the son of the minister who presided over the policy, Ian Gow, now owns scores of these flats and is renting them out for an absolute fortune. He owns forty flats in one estate alone. It is estimated that a third of these council houses are now owned by super-rich buy-to-let landlords and are often managed tax-free via holding companies based in the Cayman Islands etc. Meanwhile there are millions on the housing list and the price of rent has gone through the roof in places like London.

The council housing scheme has resulted in the concentration of public assets in the form of housing into private hands and ordinary people have lost out as a result. In short, the policy resulted in the rich vulture-picking over public housing and making a fortune.

It should be a source of shame, not pride.

Iwasfrozen

Seachmall wrote: »

Ridiculous.

Decent human beings treat people with the respect they feel they deserve.

Only a hypocrite would change their position because that person has died. Their past remains the same.

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Says who?

The idea of a rigid culture which is "ours", with which we must comply or clear off is also distinctly Thatcherite.

Dead or not, I think she was a cnut of magnificent proportions.

summerskin wrote: »

nonsense. a bástard in life is still a bástard in death.

death does not give you forgiveness.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. But just to say my opinion of each of you, and those who thanked your post as human beings has dropped dramatically.

summerskin

leahyl wrote: »

A touching tribute from Gerry Adams:

"Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.

Yes Gerry, particularly in places like Warrington and Manchester, remember those?

wonderfullife

summerskin wrote: »

Respect the dead? I do. I respect the miners, steelworkers and mill workers that lost their livelihoods and in many cases their lives(the rise in suicides in northern england and the welsh valleys was huge) as a result of her London-centric economic policies.

I grew up in Thatcher's England, in the north west. I saw first hand what she did to my home town and surrounding areas.

I will be taking the day off work tomorrow, as i have always said i would. Not to rejoice in her death, but to mourn for those who were destroyed by her.

So you hate the woman partly because she destroyed the livelihoods of genuine, hard-working people in the northwest who, as a result of her policies, had no job to get up to in the morning?

And you're lucky enough to have a job in a recession yourself and you're going to take the day off because an old, sick woman passed away?

The irony is amazing but let me just suggest that the miners, steelworkers and mill workers you speak of would drag their ass out of bed and go to work tomorrow regardless of who has died.

thecommietommy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You obviously missed the Honda, Nissan and Toyota car plants then.

Johnny Foreigner having to come and show the Brits how it's done.

not yet

She signed the death warrant for Sean Savage, Mariead Farrell and Danny mcCann in 1988 Gibraltar.....

So Mrs Thatcher rot in hell.