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.22lr Ballistic tip ammo

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭yubabill1


    Cass wrote: »
    I was always under the impression that 1,120 fps at sea level is sub sonic.

    I live at 500 ft above and I guesstimate it's around 1200 for me. Don't even know what the equation is anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    yubabill1 wrote: »
    I live at 500 ft above and I guesstimate it's around 1200 for me. Don't even know what the equation is anymore.

    I always thought it was dependent on temperature rather than altitude...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭yubabill1


    Sparks wrote: »
    I always thought it was dependent on temperature rather than altitude...

    Ok I'll google it.
    Remember doing it in the '80's. (Seems like I did everything in the @80's!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭yubabill1


    Well, looks like either my memory is fading or I miscalculated back in the day!

    maybe both.

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/elevation-speed-sound-air-d_1534.html


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Sparks wrote: »
    I always thought it was dependent on temperature rather than altitude...
    They are linked. The higher you are the colder it is, the lower the air pressure, the less resistance a bullet has.
    yubabill1 wrote: »
    Well, looks like either my memory is fading or I miscalculated back in the day!
    Good chart.

    Back when we first got reloading, and one of our American F-Class friends told us of his range sitting at over 6,200 HASL i done some chekcing, and found to reach the same speeds with my 155.5 gr bullet load i needed less propellant it got me thinking. So i done some "research", and found the same.

    It's also the reason why a good ballistic calculator will take HASL into the equation.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭extremetaz


    Sparks wrote: »
    I always thought it was dependent on temperature rather than altitude...
    yubabill1 wrote: »
    Well, looks like either my memory is fading or I miscalculated back in the day!

    maybe both.

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/elevation-speed-sound-air-d_1534.html

    mneh - that list is indicative but still oversimplistic if you want to be precise about things.

    It's air density (or density of any medium for that matter) which primarily dictates the propagation speed (stiffness of the medium also has a proportional impact aswell, but that's pretty constant for gases).

    In any case, as pressure is a function of both alititude and temperature, you're both correct.

    ..adding a further layer of convolution though - individual frequencies do not propagate at the same speed either so what you get in any case is an average for the audible frequency range. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭yubabill1


    It's very hard to argue with the Laws of Physics.

    Just bugs me that I "misremembered" it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭extremetaz


    Cass wrote: »
    They are linked. The higher you are the colder it is, the lower the air pressure, the less resistance a bullet has.

    strictly speaking that's the wrong way around (although I'm really just splitting hairs here :o) but the reason it's colder is because the air pressure is lower.

    Lower density -> greater intermolecular spacing -> greater specific heat capacity -> more heat absoption -> bbbbbrrrrrrr....

    and in relation to the speed of sound, this actually reduces it (which I find a little counterintuitive but there ya go).


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    extremetaz wrote: »
    strictly speaking that's the wrong way around (although I'm really just splitting hairs here :o) ...........
    As you done yourself substitute the comma with the word because.

    "The higher you go, the colder it is because the air pressure is lower."

    So it's right, just the grammar is poor. And yes, you are splitting hairs.













    /Fecking pedantic Pats. :D.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭extremetaz


    Cass wrote: »
    /Fecking pedantic Pats. :D.

    :p:D

    In my defense I've been stuck on some rather "technical" problems in work for the last few days - ya know the kind where it's tiny little changes that make the difference?..

    ...so my pedantry (although, ever present) is rather elevated even by my own standards at the moment. :o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 anglerscurse


    CCi stingers Silver casing with copper head great little bullet


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 anglerscurse


    CCi stingers Silver casing with copper head great little bullet
    Ballistic tipped .22 LR manufactured in a magnum bullet only


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