WRH now a cork outpost

wellboy76

Well done to the FG sympathisers on here. Enda timed his trip down on Thursday fairly well. Snake

Dicky Pride

wellboy76 wrote: »

Well done to the FG sympathisers on here. Enda timed his trip down on Thursday fairly well. Snake

Link?

Dicky Pride

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Link?

And there's no link. Because there's no story. Someone on WLR read an article in the times, said something aloud...and then Save Waterford started their scaremongering tactics as usual.

Trotter

Any links to the times article?

Cabaal

Either post a link or something solid from a reliable proper source or stop nonsense scaremonger.

I'll give this 12hours and if nothing is solid is posted by then its getting locked,

S.E.F.L

When kenny came down thursday was an ideal time to protest, unfortunately only a handful of people bothered their ass to turn up, by all means don,t protest and sit at home if that is what you wish to do but don,t bother giving out when important decisions are made that effect you and that includes all the naysayers who slagged off people for protesting on the other thread, the chickens are coming out to roose now.

Trotter

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/News/article1238705.ece

Just spotted this on twitter. Relates to the proposed breakup of the SE Network.
In my own opinion, this will result in the chipping away over time of WRH's facilities and allocations given that Cork's priority will be Cork.

Whether its confirmed by the minister or not, I have that uncomfortable feeling that we're onto the next phase of this where many who said this wouldn't happen and that it was scaremongering may well move onto explaining how its a good thing.

While I'm open to being convinced that this is a good thing, my disgust at this government just went up a notch today for which I'll no doubt be lambasted.

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

When kenny came down thursday was an ideal time to protest, unfortunately only a handful of people bothered their ass to turn up, by all means don,t protest and sit at home if that is what you wish to do but don,t bother giving out when important decisions are made that effect you and that includes all the naysayers who slagged off people for protesting on the other thread, the chickens are coming out to roose now.

Roose?

The handful that came out to protest did so about the property tax and water rates. Nothing about the hospital so I really don't see your point.

jennygirl

S.E.F.L wrote: »

When kenny came down thursday was an ideal time to protest, unfortunately only a handful of people bothered their ass to turn up, by all means don,t protest and sit at home if that is what you wish to do but don,t bother giving out when important decisions are made that effect you and that includes all the naysayers who slagged off people for protesting on the other thread, the chickens are coming out to roose now.

Unfortunately a handful of protesters shouted "shame, shame"to local business people, one businessman said - what r u on about - im here trying to make a living, employing local people". The protesters fell quiet for a few minutes.
it dosent show our city in a good light - when the media are all around covering a good news story, and handful of ppl are upsetting the apple cart. SHAME ON THEM! International business ppl are told Waterford is milititant, and i think it is!

Trotter

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Roose?

The handful that came out to protest did so about the property tax and water rates. Nothing about the hospital so I really don't see your point.

I pretty sure he meant roost. I'm pretty sure you knew that also.

Can we all bit just discuss the realities of this without resorting to the too familiar 'oh the "scaremongerers have a point.. Time to distract by criticising grammar and playing the I don't see your point" card, and equally on the other hand going off on one without us knowing the extent of this.

What I'd love not to see here is a load of party coordinated responses veiled in sneering comments and a load of that's it we're doomed on the other hand.

If this is bad for Waterford, lets work that out first. I suspect it is, but I'm holding my horses. If it is, lets do something constructive about it without basing that on a love or hatred of any one group of politicians. If its wrong for us, lets oppose it properly without any loyalty for anything other than the good of the place we call home!

Royal Legend

jennygirl wrote: »

Unfortunately a handful of protesters shouted "shame, shame"to local business people, one businessman said - what r u on about - im here trying to make a living, employing local people". The protesters fell quiet for a few minutes.
it dosent show our city in a good light - when the media are all around covering a good news story, and handful of ppl are upsetting the apple cart. SHAME ON THEM! International business ppl are told Waterford is milititant, and i think it is!

People willbe militant of they continue to be mstreated. Thousands have marched in relation to the proposed cuts to WRH, those same thousands walked along with the left wing element, who tend to hijack these events. We were told weeks ago that WRH was safe now we have this stealth move from the government, which is in my eyes disgusting, but then again this governments dealings have been based on lies since before they were elected.
I could not care less that some businessman was embarrassed by some left wing ranting, you can continue to paint the city in a bad light, militant, embarassing, business wont set up here and all the rest, while this government continues to ignore and downgrade us. Well done, good to see you have your priorities straight.

S.E.F.L

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Roose?

The handful that came out to protest did so about the property tax and water rates. Nothing about the hospital so I really don't see your point.

The save our hospital group and others could have came out to protest thursday to keep the pressure on but instead choose to sit at home, they did the same when o reilly came, the head of steam built up after sw march people didn,t keep up the pressure on the government anytime a government minister came only a handful of people bothered protesting, the timing was well thought out bring news about jobs first to soften the coming blow, then annouce the bad news after kenny has left and gone from waterford to avoid a real protest, when people refuse to protest about issues they are feel are important to them don,t complain you lose the right to an opinion when you don,t try to make a difference.

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

The save our hospital group and others could have came out to protest thursday to keep the pressure on but instead choose to sit at home, they did the same when o reilly came, the head of steam built up after sw march people didn,t keep up the pressure on the government anytime a government minister came only a handful of people bothered protesting, the timing was well thought out bring news about jobs first to soften the coming blow, then annouce the bad news after kenny has left and gone from waterford to avoid a real protest, when people refuse to protest about issues they are feel are important to them don,t complain you lose the right to an opinion when you don,t try to make a difference.

The hospital decision makers were not there on Thursday so the protests would have fallen on deaf ears. There is a mentality in Waterford right now of bitching/moaning and half arsed protesting. People who are alert to this kind of nonsense, and who speak out against it, become known as FG sympathizers.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

The hospital decision makers were not there on Thursday so the protests would have fallen on deaf ears. There is a mentality in Waterford right now of bitching/moaning and half arsed protesting. People who are alert to this kind of nonsense, and who speak out against it, become known as FG sympathizers.

I would call them Government apologists

S.E.F.L

Dicky Pride wrote: »

The hospital decision makers were not there on Thursday so the protests would have fallen on deaf ears. There is a mentality in Waterford right now of bitching/moaning and half arsed protesting. People who are alert to this kind of nonsense, and who speak out against it, become known as FG sympathizers.

Straight up question if thousands had of came out on thursday to protest when kenny visited, when o reilly visited wrh and when big philly visited ferrybank do you think we would of all heard the bad announcement today?

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

Straight up question if thousands had of came out on thursday to protest when kenny visited, when o reilly visited wrh and when big philly visited ferrybank do you think we would of all heard the bad announcement today?

First off, there was no bad announcement today, only someone on a local radio station reading the words of a journalist.

Secondly, as part of Enda's speech on Thursday he said the words:

"This is a good day for waterford. In my opinion this is the day that starts Waterford's comeback." He then said that there would be an announcement about the hospital in a few weeks.

Now, he brought up the hospital...nobody asked him about it. Why would he bring it up like that if a bad news announcement was just days away?

But to answer your question, if fifty thousand people lined the streets of waterford I don't think they could prevent certain changes being made. It's what those changes will be that we're all waiting for. And nothing has been learned today.

S.E.F.L

jennygirl wrote: »

Unfortunately a handful of protesters shouted "shame, shame"to local business people, one businessman said - what r u on about - im here trying to make a living, employing local people". The protesters fell quiet for a few minutes.
it dosent show our city in a good light - when the media are all around covering a good news story, and handful of ppl are upsetting the apple cart. SHAME ON THEM! International business ppl are told Waterford is milititant, and i think it is!

I was there thursday so was 2 others who posted on the thread about thursdays protest, we didnt shout shame at any business people thats a load of bs, shame was directed at richard bruton when he arrived and enda kenny when he arrived.

albert kidd

jennygirl wrote: »

Unfortunately a handful of protesters shouted "shame, shame"to local business people, one businessman said - what r u on about - im here trying to make a living, employing local people". The protesters fell quiet for a few minutes.
it dosent show our city in a good light - when the media are all around covering a good news story, and handful of ppl are upsetting the apple cart. SHAME ON THEM! International business ppl are told Waterford is milititant, and i think it is!

again we have more nonsense being posted.

i'll bet you read that on facebook or the likes.

Trotter

Honest question.. purely out of curiosity than anything with divilment in mind..

Are any of the posters here members of or supporters of a political party? It'd just make things so much easier to discuss!

Me.. I'm Fine Féin. I wouldnt fit into any of them, and if I did, I'd go off on one and leave by mutual consent within the week.

The two points of view Ive heard on this in the last hour or so through a number of sources are

A) This is a disaster in that the money, staff allocations, appointments, clinics etc will drip slowly out of Waterford and in the Cork direction. If we don't hold the regional status and the budget, then its a diversion of resources to Cork, which fits the perceived aim of this country's rebuild being based on a 3 gateway city model for 3 distinct regions, with Waterford as population centre 2 in the southern region. It would seem also that our good relationship with RCS in Dublin would be up for dismantling?

This is good. It means we will not be left behind and will have the best of both worlds - access to Cork's expertise and University without losing the services. A happy medium brought about by 15k people reminding the FG politicians that we exist. That or whatever setup allows autonomy and continued success and growth for WRH.


At the moment, I'd love to believe B is true but to be honest, the leakage of the various HQ's, VECs etc and the downgrade of Waterford City (my opinion) in comparison to Galway, Cork and Dublin's status leads me to believe that the hospital services assurances are fluff to appease the masses.

If its A, we need a massive strong united protest that breaks even the most loyal shackles that some people have to FG and makes people realise that they too are being patted on the head by their own party leadership. TDs that made assurances make the stand they committed to making and we battle together with a number of extra independents.

Lets hope that option B is what emerges, and let there be dancing, TK and buns at the cumann meetings and on the streets of Waterford.

old gregg

Cabaal wrote: »

I'll give this 12hours and if nothing is solid is posted by then its getting locked,

That being the case, in before the lock then :P

Trotter

old gregg wrote: »

That being the case, in before the lock then :P

I posted this at 5:33..

Trotter wrote: »

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/News/article1238705.ece

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

I was there thursday so was 2 others who posted on the thread about thursdays protest, we didnt shout shame at any business people thats a load of bs, shame was directed at richard bruton when he arrived and enda kenny when he arrived.

And Gary Wyse, and Mary Roche and Jim D'Arcy....(and many more)

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

And Gary Wyse, and Mary Roche and Jim D'Arcy....(and many more)

Were you there, or did you read all this on facebook?

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

Were you there, or did you read all this on facebook?

I was there.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I was there.

I thought so, on the other side of the barrier I take it

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

I thought so, on the other side of the barrier I take it

I was working. SEFL was making it sound like only Kenny and Bruton were taunted.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I was working. SEFL was making it sound like only Kenny and Bruton were taunted.

And not that it matters, as we are all in the south east, but are you from waterford or South Kilkenny?

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

And not that it matters, as we are all in the south east, but are you from waterford or South Kilkenny?

Why are you asking? All I'm doing on this thread is sharing facts. Does it seem like I'm some kind of "government apologist"?

martin12

Cabaal wrote: »

Either post a link or something solid from a reliable proper source or stop nonsense scaremonger.

I'll give this 12hours and if nothing is solid is posted by then its getting locked,

Lock the doors

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Why are you asking? All I'm doing on this thread is sharing facts. Does it seem like I'm some kind of "government apologist"?

Yes, Yes it does.

I am happy to admit I have voted Fianna Fail all my life, I don't know if I would vote for them in any future election. I am not affiliated to FF or anyone else. But I think there are a few on here affiliated either to FG, Labour, SF or the socialists. Those people that are, need to state their alliegience and then leave it at the door.

S.E.F.L

Dicky Pride wrote: »

And Gary Wyse, and Mary Roche and Jim D'Arcy....(and many more)

There was nothing shouted or directed at mary roche, to my recollection gary wyse and mary roche came out of the tower hotel at the same time, shame was shouted at gary wyse, some people arent prepared to forgive and forget what fianna fail have done to the country, with the annoucement about wrh today lets just see how popular our fine gael and labour reps will be in next years polls at the council elections in waterford when they go canvassing for votes they are likely to hear a lot more then just shame.

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

There was nothing shouted or directed at mary roche, to my recollection gary wyse and mary roche came out of the tower hotel at the same time, shame was shouted at gary wyse, some people arent prepared to forgive and forget what fianna fail have done to the country, with the annoucement about wrh today lets just see how popular our fine gael and labour reps will be in next years polls at the council elections in waterford when they go canvassing for votes they are likely to hear a lot more then just shame.

There was....the "shame shame" stuff was shouted at her.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Why are you asking? All I'm doing on this thread is sharing facts. Does it seem like I'm some kind of "government apologist"?

Well Dicky, Waterford City, County, South Kilkenny, Wexford, which one if any are you from?

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well Dicky, Waterford City, County, South Kilkenny, Wexford, which one if any are you from?

You didn't answer my question so why should I answer yours?

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

You didn't answer my question so why should I answer yours?

You need to re-read your post butty, you asked me did I think you were a government apologist and I replied Yes.

1. I dont think you are from Waterford,
2. I think you are a member of FG

S.E.F.L

Dicky Pride wrote: »

There was....the "shame shame" stuff was shouted at her.

More mistruths being spread around, people wouldn,t have a real reason to shout shame at mary roche as shes not affialiated to either fianna fail or fine gael or labour.

Dicky Pride

1. I'm from Waterford City.
2. I laugh out loud at the thought of that. I don't affiliate myself with any party.

This is typical waterford crap. Someone calls it as they see it, that is a lot of idiots on facebook pretending to be anarchists when they really haven't a clue what's going on. All I was doing was commenting on the protesters on thursday...they behaved disgracefully in my opinion, and the opinion of many others. But you think that for me to have that opinion, I must be partisan one way or another.

Life isn't that black and white Royal Legend.

Dicky Pride

S.E.F.L wrote: »

More mistruths being spread around, people wouldn,t have a real reason to shout shame at mary roche as shes not affialiated to either fianna fail or fine gael or labour.

Excuse me, I was standing 5 feet from her. There were people shouting shame shame at her. This is getting funny now.

Trotter

S.E.F.L wrote: »

More mistruths being spread around, people wouldn,t have a real reason to shout shame at mary roche as shes not affialiated to either fianna fail or fine gael or labour.

Mary Roche is no Enda Kenny fan if reading her blog is anything to go by. She's battling hard to put this city/county merger into the limelight for what it is, and I saw her at both WRH protests.

Why shout Shame at her?

fuzzy dunlop

I have a feeling the Times Article is a planted article i.e. a softening up exercise.Is FG stooge extordanaire and perjurer (Sarah "Im not a member of FG" Carey) still writing for this paper? I was reading the News and Star last week and the Phoenix column was on about the hospital Network being broken up but WRH would be upgraded to a University Hospital. If this is the actual case then it would be major win for Waterford and would show the show of strength of the protests yielded a major result. It would also show there is nothing inevitable about any cutbacks that that the government is proposing as suggested by their apologists on this site. Who also unspurprisingly cannot offer an alternative approach to protesting.

Dicky Pride

Trotter wrote: »

Mary Roche is no Enda Kenny fan if reading her blog is anything to go by. She's battling hard to put this city/county merger into the limelight for what it is, and I saw her at both WRH protests.

Why shout Shame at her?

The answer is simple. A lot of people protesting didn't have a clue who was who...they just saw people leaving who looked like they might be someone, and they taunted them.

martin12

Royal Legend wrote: »

Yes, Yes it does.

I am happy to admit I have voted Fianna Fail all my life, I don't know if I would vote for them in any future election. I am not affiliated to FF or anyone else. But I think there are a few on here affiliated either to FG, Labour, SF or the socialists. Those people that are, need to state their alliegience and then leave it at the door.

totally agree with you

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

1. I'm from Waterford City.
2. I laugh out loud at the thought of that. I don't affiliate myself with any party.

This is typical waterford crap. Someone calls it as they see it, that is a lot of idiots on facebook pretending to be anarchists when they really haven't a clue what's going on. All I was doing was commenting on the protesters on thursday...they behaved disgracefully in my opinion, and the opinion of many others. But you think that for me to have that opinion, I must be partisan one way or another.

Life isn't that black and white Royal Legend.

Well you have backed the government on here for the evening, as regards the protest, at least some people made their feelings known publically, all this "embarrassing2 crap that is spouted by some people is beyond me, how else can people make their feelings known? maybe shout at the TV, please let us know dicky.
There was even one person on earlier talking about militant waterford and how last week was similar to the stuff that went on national TV during the Crystal sit in. what a load of bollix, the people who were angry at the crystal centre that evening had plenty of reason to be angry, if I had lost all my pension I would have been fit to do much the same.
Its time people woke up to the down grading of Waterford, full stop.

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

Well you have backed the government on here for the evening, as regards the protest, at least some people made their feelings known publically, all this "embarrassing2 crap that is spouted by some people is beyond me, how else can people make their feelings known? maybe shout at the TV, please let us know dicky.
There was even one person on earlier talking about militant waterford and how last week was similar to the stuff that went on national TV during the Crystal sit in. what a load of bollix, the people who were angry at the crystal centre that evening had plenty of reason to be angry, if I had lost all my pension I would have been fit to do much the same.
Its time people woke up to the down grading of Waterford, full stop.

I've backed the government? Show me where? If you can make a statement like that so easily then you can surely be able to quote where I have backed them.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

The answer is simple. A lot of people protesting didn't have a clue who was who...they just saw people leaving who looked like they might be someone, and they taunted them.

Is the problem Dicky that they taunted you as well? Did they know/not know who you were? By any chance were you splashed by a drop of coffee?

S.E.F.L

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Excuse me, I was standing 5 feet from her. There were people shouting shame shame at her. This is getting funny now.

When she came out of the towet hotel same time as gary wyse i recall, shame was only directed at gary wyse, from looking at the save waterford facebook thread quite a few people commented they re sorry they didn,t protest on thursday, its too late now to be crying over spilled milk, they had a choice and chance to come out and protest when kenny came they didn,t bother, now we hear the bad news about wrh.

Dicky Pride

Royal Legend wrote: »

Is the problem Dicky that they taunted you as well? Did they know/not know who you were? By any chance were you splashed by a drop of coffee?

So you're going to make a statement like that and then just move on without backing it up? Doesn't do much for your credibility.

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

First off, there was no bad announcement today, only someone on a local radio station reading the words of a journalist.

Secondly, as part of Enda's speech on Thursday he said the words:

"This is a good day for waterford. In my opinion this is the day that starts Waterford's comeback." He then said that there would be an announcement about the hospital in a few weeks.

Now, he brought up the hospital...nobody asked him about it. Why would he bring it up like that if a bad news announcement was just days away?

But to answer your question, if fifty thousand people lined the streets of waterford I don't think they could prevent certain changes being made. It's what those changes will be that we're all waiting for. And nothing has been learned today.

Royal Legend wrote: »

Is the problem Dicky that they taunted you as well? Did they know/not know who you were? By any chance were you splashed by a drop of coffee?

I read your earlier post as pro government, I still see you as a government apologist, you were inside the railing, which means that you had to have clearence to be standing outside, maybe you are a reporter. anyway, thats my opinion.

So, did they shout at you Dicky?

Royal Legend

S.E.F.L Di you shout and abuse Dicky, tell the truth now

Dicky Pride

Are you 14?

Royal Legend

Dicky Pride wrote: »

Are you 14?

Does that bother you? It is mid term you know.

An hour and a half later and you still have not answered the question.

Did the protestors abuse and shout at you? Its a simple question.