Macklemore is raps saviour!

Jimmy Iovine

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Much as I enjoyed Macklemore and Ryan Lewis's album it's not one that I think will stand the test of time. And as far as calling him the savoir of rap, well for one, does rap need a savoir. And if so anyone who thinks that Macklemore is the best that rap has to offer really needs to listen to more music.

Rappers such as RA the Rugged Man and Homeboy Sandman are far superior rappers and would be more deserving of the acclaim that's being heaped upon Macklemore.

Definition of a Rap Flow is insane and better than most songs that I've heard all year.

Macklemore is good and he has some catchy songs but there are better albums out there. There are better mixtapes and EPs out there even.

danbrosnan

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Definition of a Rap Flow is insane and better than most songs that I've heard all year.

Macklemore is good and he has some catchy songs but there are better albums out there. There are better mixtapes and EPs out there even.

I have listened to definition of a rap flow and although a good album i could never get into rugged mans rap style, his tone etc.... but thats just my opinion.... i think macklemore has changed a lot of things, proved rappers can do it themselves, rapped about addiction, gay rights, and nike dominance... I mean rap has gone completely marketed and materialistic.. Macklemore went the opposite way and made it good again to be straight up with people..

I just believe he has changed a lot of things and again its just my opinion

Jimmy Iovine

danbrosnan wrote: »

I have listened to definition of a rap flow and although a good album i could never get into rugged mans rap style, his tone etc.... but thats just my opinion.... i think macklemore has changed a lot of things, proved rappers can do it themselves, rapped about addiction, gay rights, and nike dominance... I mean rap has gone completely marketed and materialistic.. Macklemore went the opposite way and made it good again to be straight up with people..

I just believe he has changed a lot of things and again its just my opinion

How can you say that he has changed anything when his album was released 9 months ago?

That's just ridiculous.

Illmatic changed rap. The Chronic changed rap. Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) changed rap.

They were released nearly two decades ago.

Come back in a year or two and see are more people rapping about "addiction, gay rights, and nike dominance". Then you might be able to say that he has had an effect on the rap game.

As for that Nike song, have you seen this version that was released as part of the NBA All-Star game?

Even "saviours" can be tempted to "sell out".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCEp_XZUW0

But, hey, that's all just my opinion.

danbrosnan

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

How can you say that he has changed anything when his album was released 9 months ago?

That's just ridiculous.

Illmatic changed rap. The Chronic changed rap. Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) changed rap.

They were released nearly two decades ago.

Come back in a year or two and see are more people rapping about "addiction, gay rights, and nike dominance". Then you might be able to say that he has had an effect on the rap game.

As for that Nike song, have you seen this version that was released as part of the NBA All-Star game?

Even "saviours" can be tempted to "sell out"

I completely agree with you he did sell out in the all star game, but at least he sold out to his own pocket, it is them two making the decisions, macklemore and lewis...

Not a record label...

I also agree that illmatic changed rap, so did the slim shady lp, the chronic, biggie, tupac, and agree with me or not??? properly laugh... but so did "original pirate material" by the streets... They all changed rap for me anyway i cant speak on the collective...

I could go on forever about albums or artists that have changed rap, and Macklemore has changed it also... FOR ME....

I am interested again in rap and we will see if maklemore changes things and actually I think he will... Or else burn away to nothing... He saved rap in 2012 for me anyway...

Bobby Baccala

danbrosnan wrote: »

I also agree that illmatic changed rap, so did the slim shady lp, the chronic, biggie, tupac, and agree with me or not??? properly laugh... but so did "original pirate material" by the streets... They all changed rap for me anyway i cant speak on the collective...

Original pirate material is a great album but how did it change rap man? Not being smart I'm actually genuinely curious, I can't think of another album with that sound

danbrosnan

Check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfdlC795ag

The streets completely changed the uk rap seen.. Go to about 15 mins and people in the know will tell you how the streets changed hip hop...

kingsenny

danbrosnan wrote: »

i think macklemore has changed a lot of things, proved rappers can do it themselves

Umm... Tech N9ne??

Bobby Baccala

danbrosnan wrote: »

The streets completely changed the uk rap seen.. Go to about 15 mins and people in the know will tell you how the streets changed hip hop...

Saw that a couple of years ago man, but I mean hip hop as a whole, uk hip hop is pretty much like a subgenre of it's own especially the likes of the stuff the streets made, that crossed into garage as well, so strictly speaking they didn't change hip hop in a massive way, their first album was great though still gets regular plays by me

Oleg Luzhny

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

How can you say that he has changed anything when his album was released 9 months ago?

That's just ridiculous.

Illmatic changed rap. The Chronic changed rap. Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) changed rap.

They were released nearly two decades ago.

Come back in a year or two and see are more people rapping about "addiction, gay rights, and nike dominance". Then you might be able to say that he has had an effect on the rap game.

As for that Nike song, have you seen this version that was released as part of the NBA All-Star game?

Even "saviours" can be tempted to "sell out".

But, hey, that's all just my opinion.

Macklemore grew up a huge sports fan, and still is today. So when the NBA offered to use their song for the All-Star game, it was like a dream come true. The NBA didn't change any of the lyrics, they just edited it to keep the parts about loving basketball and wanting to be like Michael Jordan etc. It was pretty obvious that they weren't going to use the bits criticising consumerism. Anyway, if I were in their position, I would've done the exact same thing. And I certainly don't view what they did as "selling out".

Also, here's Macklemore's response to all of this: http://macklemore.com/post/43688861186/wings-the-nba-all-star-game-selling-out

danbrosnan

TweetMe!?! wrote: »

Macklemore grew up a huge sports fan, and still is today. So when the NBA offered to use their song for the All-Star game, it was like a dream come true. The NBA didn't change any of the lyrics, they just edited it to keep the parts about loving basketball and wanting to be like Michael Jordan etc. It was pretty obvious that they weren't going to use the bits criticising consumerism. Anyway, if I were in their position, I would've done the exact same thing. And I certainly don't view what they did as "selling out".

Also, here's Macklemore's response to all of this: http://macklemore.com/post/43688861186/wings-the-nba-all-star-game-selling-out

Thanks for that...

floggg

danbrosnan wrote: »

i think macklemore has changed a lot of things

danbrosnan wrote: »

proved rappers can do it themselves

Easy-E, Master P, Jay-Z, Lil Jon, Tech N9ne....

danbrosnan wrote: »

rapped about addiction

Joe Budden, Eminem...

danbrosnan wrote: »

gay rights

Murs (he even kissed a guy in the video for Animal Style)

danbrosnan wrote: »

nike dominance...

Countless rappers have rapped about materialism - heck, one of Kanye's first hits was All Falls Down.

danbrosnan wrote: »

I mean rap has gone completely marketed and materialistic..

Rap has always been materialistic. From Slick Rick to Big Daddy Kane to NWA, rappers have always boasted about what they had. The only difference is the scale - Slick Rick could never have conceived of there being a billionaire rapper - Jay-Z and Puffy are probably racing each other to be the first (Jay-Z probably is already if you count Beyonce's money).

danbrosnan wrote: »

Macklemore went the opposite way and made it good again to be straight up with people..

I just believe he has changed a lot of things and again its just my opinion

He hasn't changed a thing. Phonte was rapping about paying the lease on his Nissan years ago, and commuting to low paying jobs, Joe Budden rapped about being a recovering addicted and having mental problems, KRS, PE, and countless others criticised raps commercial and materialistic tendancies.

The only thing they have done differently is catch radio play. And fair play to them - I love both Can't Hold Us and Thrift Shop, and I think they are genuine in what they say and do.

But lets not go over board here.

sbsquarepants

danbrosnan wrote: »

I completely agree with you he did sell out in the all star game, but at least he sold out to his own pocket, it is them two making the decisions, macklemore and lewis...

I really don't get this whole selling out thing. People really should realise that it's called the entertainment industry for a reason.
Make the product, sell the product, that's how all industries work. Some "companies" take more pride in their products than others but they all want to turn a profit when all is said and done. Macklemore is every bit as much a business as your local electrician or bricky is. He's plying a trade - nothing more, nothing less.

sbsquarepants

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I really don't get this whole selling out thing. People really should realise that it's called the entertainment industry for a reason.
Make the product, sell the product, that's how all industries work. Some "companies" take more pride in their products than others but they all want to turn a profit when all is said and done. Macklemore is every bit as much a business as your local electrician or bricky is. He's plying a trade - nothing more, nothing less.

Selling out to me, is when an artist goes against everything he stands for in order to make a quick buck but to a lot of people it's that moment an artist they like crosses over into the mainstream and finds success. There is nothing more laughable than when people tell you they are a bigger fan of something because they liked it before you. Check out the thread for the Macklemore gig in gigs and events to see what I mean. There's repeated posts about how the gig will be full of people who only know the hits and that true fans lost on tickets because these cretins got tickets quicker.

sbsquarepants

Yea i know, it makes no sense, You see it all the time when someones song appears on an add for something. In fact take macklemore, himself an alcoholic - yet one of his songs is used to sell beer. Sell out? I don't think so, it's just business to me.

kingsenny

Former alcoholic... He's been sober a number of years now

floggg

kingsenny wrote: »

Former alcoholic... He's been sober a number of years now

Alcoholics don't get cured. They get sober.

The remain alcoholics however.

Bobby Baccala

kingsenny wrote: »

Former alcoholic... He's been sober a number of years now

Yep what floggg said, ive a couple of alcoholic relatives that have been sober for about 5 years each but still consider themselves alcoholics.

So technically he's an alcoholic

Gilbert Grape

Seen him play in Derry at radio 1,s big weekend last week,i did'nt even know who he was.Was unreal live http://youtu.be/fF_sD_poO2Y

danbrosnan

floggg wrote: »

Alcoholics don't get cured. They get sober.

The remain alcoholics however.

So there is no cure for alcoholism, there is and its this simple, complete abstinence form all mind alternating substances... There is no cure for anything only something that will help you fight something..

danbrosnan

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Yep what floggg said, ive a couple of alcoholic relatives that have been sober for about 5 years each but still consider themselves alcoholics.

So technically he's an alcoholic

And so is half the island of Ireland... I am an alcoholic who was sober for five years, broke out and have been trying to get sober for a year now, and calling people alcoholics on the drop of hat is disgraceful, macklemore is an addict and so is every tom, dick and harry out there.. People just choose to cover it up more then others..

Prescription tablets, illegal drugs, fast food, gambling, porn, internet..... Ask yourself whats your vice and maybe start a thread on it instead of judging people...

Technically an alcoholic is a disgraceful thing to say about anyone, theres noting technical about it, just a matter of life and death.. Another heron death in tralee over the weekend, a person i knew and was speaking to recently, technically an addict i suppose...

Bobby Baccala

danbrosnan wrote: »

And so is half the island of Ireland... I am an alcoholic who was sober for five years, broke out and have been trying to get sober for a year now, and calling people alcoholics on the drop of hat is disgraceful, macklemore is an addict and so is every tom, dick and harry out there.. People just choose to cover it up more then others..

Prescription tablets, illegal drugs, fast food, gambling, porn, internet..... Ask yourself whats your vice and maybe start a thread on it instead of judging people...

Technically an alcoholic is a disgraceful thing to say about anyone, theres noting technical about it, just a matter of life and death.. Another heron death in tralee over the weekend, a person i knew and was speaking to recently, technically an addict i suppose...

Judging people? How is saying he's an alcoholic judging him? If he's an alcoholic he's an alcoholic there's no way around it. I'm not saying this in a negative way it's the harsh truth and it's nothing to be ashamed of fùcking relax man!

LUPE

danbrosnan wrote: »

And so is half the island of Ireland...

and calling people alcoholics on the drop of hat is disgraceful

So there's this...

macklemore is an addict and so is every tom, dick and harry out there.. People just choose to cover it up more then others..

Technically an alcoholic is a disgraceful thing to say about anyone

And then there's this.

Contradicting yourself twice on something you appear to feel so strongly about. And then you just ramble nonsensically.

Seriously pal give it a rest.

danbrosnan

Calling somebody an alcoholic on a forum and talking the way he did about "technically this and that" is a disgrace and i fail to see where i contradicted myself..

Check out macklemores interviews on hard knock tv, and you will see a different opinion from a different kinda rapper..

floggg

danbrosnan wrote: »

So there is no cure for alcoholism, there is and its this simple, complete abstinence form all mind alternating substances... There is no cure for anything only something that will help you fight something..

danbrosnan wrote: »

Calling somebody an alcoholic on a forum and talking the way he did about "technically this and that" is a disgrace and i fail to see where i contradicted myself..

Check out macklemores interviews on hard knock tv, and you will see a different opinion from a different kinda rapper..

Calm down. An alcoholic will aleays be an alcoholic even if sober. Why do you think AA meetings start with "My name is X and I'm an alcoholic. I've been sober for Y months..."

It's not a disgraceful thing to call anybody. It's just a condition or disease that certain people have. People handle it differently - some struggle hard, overcome their problems. Some don't. I have nothing but respect for those who manage to overcome the addiction.

If you associate shame with it, then that's on you.

And no, there's no cure. If there was a cure, why can't alcoholics go for a few social drinks on the weekend and then call it quits?

danbrosnan

floggg wrote: »

Calm down. An alcoholic will aleays be an alcoholic even if sober. Why do you think AA meetings start with "My name is X and I'm an alcoholic. I've been sober for Y months..."

It's not a disgraceful thing to call anybody. It's just a condition or disease that certain people have. People handle it differently - some struggle hard, overcome their problems. Some don't. I have nothing but respect for those who manage to overcome the addiction.

If you associate shame with it, then that's on you.

And no, there's no cure. If there was a cure, why can't alcoholics go for a few social drinks on the weekend and then call it quits?

Dont agree with anything you say but we have completely gone off topic, i think there a thread for what your talking about..

LUPE

danbrosnan wrote: »

Calling somebody an alcoholic on a forum and talking the way he did about "technically this and that" is a disgrace and i fail to see where i contradicted myself..

Check out macklemores interviews on hard knock tv, and you will see a different opinion from a different kinda rapper..

You've contradicted yourself in that you have called half of Ireland alcoholics and then claimed it's disgraceful to call people an alcoholic on a whim. You did that twice in your post. Honestly if you can't see these things then there is no point in trying to engage in discussion about these things. By and large the threads you have started have contained no constructive discussion, just a lot of rambling about irrelevancies.

danbrosnan

LUPE wrote: »

You've contradicted yourself in that you have called half of Ireland alcoholics and then claimed it's disgraceful to call people an alcoholic on a whim. You did that twice in your post. Honestly if you can't see these things then there is no point in trying to engage in discussion about these things. By and large the threads you have started have contained no constructive discussion, just a lot of rambling about irrelevancies.

I didn't actually say that... Read back on the reply, i said it was a disgrace to say "technically he is an alcoholic" no-one has the right to say that but themselves..

Macklemore has stated that he has had problems with drink and drugs and when i said that " so is half of Ireland" thats what i meant... i didn't have alcoholic in that sentence...

I stand by my point that it was a ignorant and selfness thing to assume or say.. Now you said that none of my treads have constructive discussion?? Go to the angling tread and you will see plenty of constructive discussion... Music will always gather different opinions and maybe my taste of music doesn't suit yours and my opinions you don't agree with... Thats fine but the me thats constructive discussion, we don't all have to agree with each other... i certainly wont anyway..

LUPE

danbrosnan wrote: »

I didn't actually say that... Read back on the reply, i said it was a disgrace to say "technically he is an alcoholic" no-one has the right to say that but themselves..

Macklemore has stated that he has had problems with drink and drugs and when i said that " so is half of Ireland" thats what i meant... i didn't have alcoholic in that sentence...

I stand by my point that it was a ignorant and selfness thing to assume or say.. Now you said that none of my treads have constructive discussion?? Go to the angling tread and you will see plenty of constructive discussion... Music will always gather different opinions and maybe my taste of music doesn't suit yours and my opinions you don't agree with... Thats fine but the me thats constructive discussion, we don't all have to agree with each other... i certainly wont anyway..

zzz

floggg

danbrosnan wrote: »

I didn't actually say that... Read back on the reply, i said it was a disgrace to say "technically he is an alcoholic" no-one has the right to say that but themselves..

Macklemore has stated that he has had problems with drink and drugs and when i said that " so is half of Ireland" thats what i meant... i didn't have alcoholic in that sentence...

I stand by my point that it was a ignorant and selfness thing to assume or say.. Now you said that none of my treads have constructive discussion?? Go to the angling tread and you will see plenty of constructive discussion... Music will always gather different opinions and maybe my taste of music doesn't suit yours and my opinions you don't agree with... Thats fine but the me thats constructive discussion, we don't all have to agree with each other... i certainly wont anyway..

Oh lordy.

The last line of P4DDY's post was

So technically he's an alcoholic

And your direct reply was

And so is half the island of Ireland...

So no, you didn't have alcoholic in the sentence, but you left no doubt as to what you were calling "half of Ireland."

And what kind of crazy world do you live in were you can't use the words alcoholic/drug addict to refer to a self confessed alcoholic/drug addict?

sbsquarepants

danbrosnan wrote: »

Calling somebody an alcoholic on a forum and talking the way he did about "technically this and that" is a disgrace and i fail to see where i contradicted myself..

Check out macklemores interviews on hard knock tv, and you will see a different opinion from a different kinda rapper..

Fúcking hell :eek::eek:

Over reaction of the week goes to............

The guy is an alcoholic. It's not an opinion or an insult or a disgracefull insinuation, it's a self confessed fact. What's the problem?