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Woman hospitalised after third assault

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    #392
    HondaSami
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    What are ye arguing about ? everyone has an opinion and we don't all agree, move on.


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    #393
    Love2u
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Go Candie!

    Doesn't make him right either


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    #394
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    Love2u wrote: »
    Doesn't make him right either

    Just as you typing "you loose" doesn't make you right.

    Seriously, even for AH on a good friday standards of debate are low.


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    #395
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Love2u wrote: »
    Nodin what's your profession?


    I don't see the relevance.

    And again I ask - are all your opinions based on stereotypes/tabloid headlines/scare stories?


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    #396
    Odysseus
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Love2u wrote: »
    Odysseus give up the fight, you loose. The system is a joke and the laugh is on us. We should be spending money on rehabilitating the poor victims, never mind the criminals. Don't you know the old saying "you can change the stripes on a zedbras back!!

    Ah now, behave like an adult will you. Victims don't need rehab think what you are saying. I have already acknowledged that there needs to be more focus on victim support, but that is something totally different to rehab.

    The strange thing is I don't see myself in a battle here.

    It seems like society vaules both my work and opinions as it pays me for them and I get a chance to help people.

    The reality is rehabiltation is the way forward, it is here to stay. The whole system needs to be improved but the base it there and we will build on it over the coming years.

    My profession has been around a long time, but the work I do wasn't available 40 years ago, even there we still have a long way to go, but we are getting there. Even in my own small area of drug treatment, we are very slowly making ground. I would of course like to see a much better quality treatment, but we work with what we have and develop from there.

    So people can express ill informed poorly thought out opinions that do not reflect what is happening out there; but the people who make the important decisions know who and where to listen to.

    Sure even my own clinics save a good few lives every year, and that is only going to move from strenght to strenght. So I don't know about losing any battle,


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    #397
    Love2u
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I don't see the relevance.

    And again I ask - are all your opinions based on stereotypes/tabloid headlines/scare stories?

    The people in here that are defending criminals seem to be closely knitted to them.
    Nodin are you telling me my local papers are all lies? The news readers are telling us lies?


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    #398
    [Deleted User]
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    Love2u wrote: »
    The people in here that are defending criminals seem to be closely knitted to them.

    Seriously, what?

    I was going to ask what made you infer that. Then I realised you're trying to imply it.

    No one is defending criminals. People are only suggesting other ways of dealing with violence in society other than meting out more of it.

    Punishment combined with rehabilitation is what has been proven to work. Brutality combined with severe and inhuman penalty has been extensively proven to serve neither as a deterrent or as an effective learning tool.


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    #399
    Odysseus
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    Love2u wrote: »
    The people in here that are defending criminals seem to be closely knitted to them.
    Nodin are you telling me my local papers are all lies? The news readers are telling us lies?

    Who is defending criminals and how are they closely knitted to them? I don't see anyone defending criminals here.


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    #400
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Love2u wrote: »
    The people in here that are defending criminals seem to be closely knitted to them.
    Nodin are you telling me my local papers are all lies? The news readers are telling us lies?

    So this was in the local papers and on the news?
    I can tell you that most people are afraid in their own homes let alone on the streets. The streets are unsafe.


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    #401
    Love2u
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    Odysseus wrote: »
    Who is defending criminals and how are they closely knitted to them? I don't see anyone defending criminals here.

    You work with them.


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    #402
    Love2u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Love2u


    Nodin wrote: »
    So this was in the local papers and on the news?

    I never said that was in the news, but with on going attacks and violence here in recent months, people in the west of Ireland are afraid and scarred. We don't know from one day to the next who's house or business will get attacked. Is the title of this thread about the recent assault on a business woman for yet the third time?


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    #403
    Odysseus
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Love2u wrote: »
    You work with them.

    That is not defending them nor is it closely knitted.


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    #404
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Love2u wrote: »
    I never said that was in the news, but with on going attacks and violence here in recent months, people in the west of Ireland are afraid and scarred. We don't know from one day to the next who's house or business will get attacked. Is the title of this thread about the recent assault on a business woman for yet the third time?

    Some people may be afraid and scarred. You're being overly dramatic and wildly exaggerating again.


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    #405
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    I never said that was in the news, but with on going attacks and violence here in recent months, people in the west of Ireland are afraid and scarred. We don't know from one day to the next who's house or business will get attacked. Is the title of this thread about the recent assault on a business woman for yet the third time?

    It's not just the west of Ireland and when stories like the one in this thread is over hyped it does not help, these incidents allegedly did not happen at all.


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    #406
    Love2u
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    It's not just the west of Ireland and when stories like the one in this thread is over hyped it does not help, these incidents allegedly did not happen at all.

    I certainly know its not just the West of Ireland but I was speaking for the West as it is where I am from. Where is the proof the three incidents did not happen?


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    #407
    Love2u
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    It's not just the west of Ireland and when stories like the one in this thread is over hyped it does not help, these incidents allegedly did not happen at all.

    I certainly know its not just the West of Ireland but I was speaking for the West as it is where I am from. Where is the proof the three incidents did not happen?


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    #408
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    I certainly know its not just the West of Ireland but I was speaking for the West as it is where I am from. Where is the proof the three incidents did not happen?

    Where is the proof they did?


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    #409
    KingOfFairview
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    Of course no one can know what happened here. But it seems incredibly, incredibly unlikely to me that the Guards were or could be intimidated into dropping this case entirely. Bad as Ireland is, we're not bloody South Africa or Mexico. As someone who works with the media I consider myself reasonably good at reading between the lines of newspaper articles, and the wording of the Indo article says a lot.


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    #410
    Love2u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Love2u


    HondaSami wrote: »
    Where is the proof they did?

    The Gardai are in charge of that! They are the ones who just recently said the investigations are continuing and they are looking for suspects.


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    #411
    Love2u
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Some people may be afraid and scarred. You're being overly dramatic and wildly exaggerating again.

    Nodin, we have had two shootings here, robberies, asualts, businesses targeted, Gardai families targeted. All in a small town. How is that exaggeration? People are scarred and that is a fact.


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    #412
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    The Gardai are in charge of that! They are the ones who just recently said the investigations are continuing and the are looking for suspects.

    Ya im sure they are, i have never seen a story taken out of the limelight as fast. There is no way AGS were intimidated into stopping an investigation, no way in hell.


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    #413
    Nodin
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Nodin, we have had two shootings here, robberies, asualts, businesses targeted, Gardai families targeted. All in a small town. How is that exaggeration? People are scarred and that is a fact.


    Crime happens all the time. Listening to you, ye'd be scared to go outside the door.


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    #414
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Nodin, we have had two shootings here, robberies, asualts, businesses targeted, Gardai families targeted. All in a small town. How is that exaggeration? People are scarred and that is a fact.

    Two shootings which are a traveller feud.


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    #415
    KingOfFairview
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    Ya im sure they are, i have never seen a story taken out of the limelight as fast. There is no way AGS were intimidated into stopping an investigation, no way in hell.

    Exactly. The Dept of Justice simply wouldn't allow it in any case. If they put IRA men on trial, one can assume the IRA aren't capable of intimidating them into dropping charges. If the IRA isn't capable of doing that, no one else in the state is.


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    #416
    Love2u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Love2u


    HondaSami wrote: »
    Ya im sure they are, i have never seen a story taken out of the limelight as fast. There is no way AGS were intimidated into stopping an investigation, no way in hell.

    Local news paper confirmed Gardai are continuing with investigations. They are not winding down the case!


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    #417
    KingOfFairview
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Local news paper confirmed Gardai are continuing with investigations. They are not winding down the case!

    Why do you take the wor dof the local paper over the Indo? I'm no fan of the Indo but I see no reason to assume it was wrong and local paper was right.


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    #418
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Local news paper confirmed Gardai are continuing with investigations. They are not winding down the case!

    What else do you think a little unknown paper in mayo is going to print? there is nothing but silence from AGS.
    I know crime is high but it's not quite as bad as you are making it out to be.


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    #419
    Love2u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Love2u


    KingOfFairview wrote: »
    Why do you take the wor dof the local paper over the Indo? I'm no fan of the Indo but I see no reason to assume it was wrong and local paper was right.

    Gardai confirmed that the indo had wrong information and it was not info given by the Gardai. A Gardai spokeswoman came out and stated the case was still under investigation!!?? They are not winding down the case!!??


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    #420
    HondaSami
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    Love2u wrote: »
    Gardai confirmed that the indo had wrong information and it was not info given by the Gardai. A Gardai spokeswoman came out and stated the case was still under investigation!!?? They are not winding down the case!!??

    Still under investigation yes, something happened to her, be it domestic, self inflicted, tripped over the cat what ever but they are not saying anything about hooded men.


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    #421
    KingOfFairview
    Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    Love2u wrote: »
    Gardai confirmed that the indo had wrong information and it was not info given by the Gardai. A Gardai spokeswoman came out and stated the case was still under investigation!!?? They are not winding down the case!!??

    Look, I'm not saying that I know for sure that the Indo is right, but I don't understand why you think one article in the Mayo News is conclusive proof that it's wrong. It seems extremely strange that no other newspaper has picked up on this.


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