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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    Went for a group interview with my sister for a sales job,now granted I was terrible at it there was 3 guys who were easily in the top 4 people and turned out only the four girls there hired 2 of which did worse than me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭RED PASSION


    psinno wrote: »
    That is because it is deemed acceptable for woman to escalate verbal offence to physical violence. It is perfectly acceptable for a women on tv to hit a man for something he said but you would never see it portrayed as ok for a man to hit a woman for something she said.
    if the man hit the girl the programme would end with a domestic violence number and vice versa nothing happens


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭RED PASSION


    Playboy wrote: »
    I think it is partially down to what a multi cultural city London is. You have people from all cultures and walks of life working and living in the city and some cultures still have a more old fashioned approach to things that harks back to a bygone era. Not a day has passed in about 6 months where I have not seen a man offer a seat to a healthy woman. I have never seen a woman offer a man a seat. While the sighs and dirty looks are not as common a behaviour I still see it very regularly. Also when a pregnant woman gets on the tube it is nearly always a man that offers his seat and rarely a woman. I think there are a lot of people out there whilst believing in equality still think some of this old fashioned chivalric behaviour is a essential component of good manners.

    Women feel they have a god given right to your seat, or you are a second class citizen compared to them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    maybe
    ibstar wrote: »
    1)Any guy working/worked in retail will always work and have to do more things than their female counterparts (while both parties being paid the same)
    2)Night clubs charging males more than females, or not charging females at all.( happens a lot abroad)
    3)Women expecting you to give up your seat (used to give up when I was single :D ). Will only give up my seat for an Elderly person (Ageism anyone?) or a pregnant woman.

    Hrmm,

    1) I don't agree with, and I worked in retail full time for 3 years and part-time for two, over four different outlets! Guys are automatically expected to do the heavy lifting, which is perceived as being unfair because it's more dangerous and we face higher risks.

    But I've done the other side too: half the labels on the bottles in the cleaning press are rotted off except for the skull and crossbones, that **** is lethal! Also, if you're at the till all day dealing with customers... you know. God, never again.

    2) That's because they want women to go, because men go where the women are and once inside they buy them drinks! Sexist? Probably, yeah, but that's the free market.

    3) No women except a girlfriend have ever expected me to give up a seat for them, and even then it wouldn't be 'expected', you'd just do it out of affection.

    So while I think there's institutional sexism on both sides, these ain't them for me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    maybe
    Also (this really bothered me) someone being interviewed on Sky News about the Twitter nonsense earlier today said, and I quote:

    "We have to take threats of violence very seriously, especially violence against women."

    Like, dafuq? Interviewer didn't even pick them up on it.

    Edit: can't find the interview, I know it's here somewhere...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    what's to pick up on, men are basically disposable. *shrug*


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭RED PASSION


    DamoKen wrote: »
    Just saw this today http://www.ics.ie/index.php?option=com_eventbooking&task=view_event&event_id=413&Itemid=241 .

    Not sure what to make of it. On the one hand think it's great for children to know what their Mam's do in work. On the other it blatantly ignores the fact the majority of IT engineers are male, ergo the majority of children with a parent working in IT will miss out simply cos their parent is the wrong sex.

    Why not just leave it up to the child to shout "my Mom/Dad is an engineer" on the day depending on individual circumstance? At least it would mean children whose parent in IT is not a woman would be included?

    I understand females are underrepresented in IT, I should know, worked in the field for the last 15 years and almost regretted my choice in college when on the first day I found just 3 of my classmates were girls out of a class of 25+. But surely that was a personal choice in career? How does holding an exclusive event for those already in IT in any way address career choices for those at college level?

    Just doesn't sit well with me. I'm in IT, think an open day at google for kids is a great idea, but although I've worked in IT for years neither I nor my children can go because I'm not a woman. Why? Do children have no interest in what their fathers do? Is an apitude for Computer Science not present in children if it's only the father in IT?

    Makes no sense to me to have such a blantantly exclusive event. Would have thought the very point of a childrens day would be to be inclusive for family. Last I checked fathers are part of that.

    sounds like take your daughter to work day in America ..........




    your son leave him at home


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    No
    py2006 wrote: »
    Yea I always found that one strange. I remember several years ago the Chipendales came to Ireland and it was advertised everywhere (including billboards) as a fun night out for the ladies!

    While the reverse is a seedy, perverted, degrading act that horrible sexist men do on the sly.

    Have to agree with this.have you ever seen the way women act at these things its like a zebra getting disemboweled by lions in the Serengeti! As for the giving up your seat I remember being on a subway in Sydney and a woman got on looked at me like I should offer my seat then turned to the Lady beside here and said obviously he hasn't been house trained yet. To which I replied surely to god your not that helpless!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    The above reminded me of something.

    I'm watched a new Tv show back in June, I think, called Orange is the New Black.* It's a great show, but it does something that a lot of shows do.

    Only one guy talks rather explicitly about a women's body parts and it's portrayed as misogynistic, and aggressive, as a precursor to assault. And the guy in this Tv Show is a bastard.

    Yet, one of the women said to her friends how much "meat" a black man had in his trousers, and it was portrayed as cute and slightly embarrassed. Hmmm, maybe it's just individual differences between the two characters, but the next example would definitely be shot differently if it was an all male prison.

    One of the female characters threatens to go down on a woman in her sleep. And, yes, she says a threat. But, strangely, it's shot as a joke, and as if the problem is with the woman being threatened, as she is homophobic and right-wing christian.

    Sorry, but whether you're a man or woman, going down on someone who is unwilling while they are sleeping, is assault.

    * I'd hasten to add that this really is quite a good show, and everybody should watch it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I worked in a factory a few years ago, it was a mix of men and women working there but certain jobs were only left for the lads to do and the women were never asked to do them.

    When we brought this up at a staff meeting we were told by the Dept. Manager (female) "we can't expect the ladies to do those jobs".

    Seems only equal when it suits.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭ibstar


    Finally found the video related to this topic. Imagine what the comments and reactions would be like if a male did this to a female.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxZEhItBec


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    ibstar wrote: »
    Finally found the video related to this topic. Imagine what the comments and reactions would be like if a male did this to a female.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxZEhItBec

    Probably a slap to the face and sexual assault charges.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    No
    Probably a slap to the face and sexual assault charges.

    reminds me of this. how would people react out of curiousity?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Women feel they have a god given right to your seat, or you are a second class citizen compared to them.


    No we don't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭RED PASSION


    No we don't.

    I am basing this on my experience from college, i did a 4 year female dominated course, approx. 20 of us andfrom interacting with females this is my take home message, sitting in a coffee shop some of my female classmates arrive and no seats free and constant digs about someone should offer a seat to them hint hint the lads, I have other examples but not trying to tar all women with the same brush, just my recent experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    I am basing this on my experience from college, i did a 4 year female dominated course, approx. 20 of us andfrom interacting with females this is my take home message, sitting in a coffee shop some of my female classmates arrive and no seats free and constant digs about someone should offer a seat to them hint hint the lads, I have other examples but not trying to tar all women with the same brush, just my recent experience.


    Your original comment was certainly tarring us with the same brush and that's what I was replying to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Recently had a female friend suggest to me, in all seriousness, that I should sell my dog as the dog I have is not a very "manly" breed of dog. :rolleyes: As if certain genders can only have certain dogs!

    Also, have to agree with women on buses, especially women in their 40's/50's feeling entitled to a man's seat. I had one woman stand right beside me and throw daggers at me because she felt like she had a right to my seat. I asked her what her problem was and she just said "I guess chivalry is dead." told her to feck off and popped my iPod on.
    Have had women try to guilt me into giving them my seat lots of times.

    A lot of them seem to feel like they should be let onto the bus first too. Piss off!


    Btw, I'm not talking about all women. Just a few I've had the misfortune of dealing with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I kind of equate this double standard to the whole element of how differently male and female sexualisation is treated in the media. e.g. Male strippers are considered a source of humour or giggles for the girls even as they ogle the men yet female strippers being ogled by men is viewed as seedy and sordid.

    This is a very good point actually. Peter stringfellow tried to set up a strip club in Ireland a few years ago which didn't last too long. There were women and religious groups protesting outside it. They had to shut it down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    Also, have to agree with women on buses, especially women in their 40's/50's feeling entitled to a man's seat. I had one woman stand right beside me and throw daggers at me because she felt like she had a right to my seat. I asked her what her problem was and she just said "I guess chivalry is dead." told her to feck off and popped my iPod on.
    .

    That age group seem to be the worst for that kind of thing. I have actually been assaulted by women on two separate occasions. One such lady thought it ok to push me aside on a bus queue. I was literally pushed onto the road. I was having none of it so I made sure I got on bus before her and got my seat. She gave me the evil eyes and said something along the lines of, "you bring shame to your gender". If it wasn't a packed bus I would have shouted her down.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Yellow121


    I once held a door open for a woman, she was walking faster than me. We came to another door and she never held it open for me. I was outraged.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    No
    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    This is a very good point actually. Peter stringfellow tried to set up a strip club in Ireland a few years ago which didn't last too long. There were women and religious groups protesting outside it. They had to shut it down.

    The weird part of that Stringfellow's lap dancing club situation was that there had been a lap dancing club on that spot for a few years under two other names...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    I once held a door open for a woman, she was walking faster than me. We came to another door and she never held it open for me. I was outraged.

    Wouldn't even say that's sexism, she's just a dick! She wouldn't hold the door open for a woman either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭iptba


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    Do you not think it's an over reaction to be outraged by something so small as that?
    Just like the majority of things on this thread.
    So you are saying when you said "I was outraged", you were lying? I was wondering but you've now basically admitted it. Great to have people lying on the thread, presumably trying to sabotage it. Some people don't feel comfortable when possible sexism against men is discussed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Yellow121


    iptba wrote: »
    So you are saying when you said "I was outraged", you were lying? I was wondering but you've now basically admitted it. Great to have people lying on the thread, presumably trying to sabotage it. Some people don't feel comfortable when possible sexism against men is discussed.

    Well I thought it would be obvious that I was lying. Why would you be outraged by something like that?
    Just like the rest of the things people are saying. Outraged cause a woman threw daggers at you with her eyes. :D Get out of it.
    It's real petty stuff, not sexism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    Do you not think it's an over reaction to be outraged by something so small as that?
    Just like the majority of things on this thread.

    Well I wouldn't be outraged but it just wouldn't be very nice :L


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭iptba


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    Outraged cause a woman threw daggers at you with her eyes.
    The point about a woman threw daggers at somebody is relevant for the specific point about whether specific women expected somebody to give up the seat. And people can be influenced by people's emotions.
    Yellow121 wrote: »
    It's real petty stuff, not sexism.
    It might be interesting to know whether you have said this to women on boards discussing the issue in specific threads devoted to the topic. Some people appear to take a sexist approach to discussions of sexism i.e. are more tolerant of women discussing it than men / more tolerant of discussions about possible examples of sexism against women than possible sexism against men. Indeed, this could be said to be an issue in academia (sociology, gender studies, etc.).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 230 ✭✭alphamule


    I keep getting asked to carry heavy things by women...

    What about my back!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭Randy Shafter


    maybe
    What was the story with video a few pages back with the guy getting slapped by the woman and then slapping her back? Was that some sort of show?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    No
    What was the story with video a few pages back with the guy getting slapped by the woman and then slapping her back? Was that some sort of show?!

    some indian game show,its interesting to watch the reaction of the other men while the woman shrinks into the backround.he ended up suing the show and won.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭Randy Shafter


    maybe
    beano345 wrote: »
    some indian game show,its interesting to watch the reaction of the other men while the woman shrinks into the backround.he ended up suing the show and won.

    What sort of game show is about belittling people? At least he sued them.


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