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Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?
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I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!
We are not the same. The English came from a different island, colonised Ireland, then negatively stereotyped the entire Irish people as "stupid", "alcoholics", "lazy" and most recently, "terrorists" to justify 800 years of British colonial oppression, tyranny and genocide. The Irish have never done that to England or indeed any other nation, and now that England the coloniser has become the colonised, they can no longer hold onto their outdated and redundant superiority complex.
As for gingervitis, as well as infecting large swathes of Scotland and Ireland, it has also infected many parts of England. Queen Elizabeth II and her entire extended royal family are all gingers. Most have their hair dyed regularly, with Prince Harry being the only member of the Windsor household to not care.About ten years ago on hols in the Canary Islands, I was in a group of six sitting outside a restaurant. At the next table was an English family (I'm guessing three generations). Anyway waiter drops a glass (it shattered loudly) and the grandmother of the English family said "Oh my gawd, I thought it was a facking bomb" and looked at our table.
We didn't respond - she was looking for a fight so why should we spoil our holiday and give her one!
Does this count?
Yes, very much so, and I have experienced similar. In 2009 (11 years after the Good Friday Agreement) I was going through security at Manchester airport and was pulled to one side and asked if I was in possession of a mobile phone. I produced my phone and they began rubbing a special cloth all over it to check for signs of explosives. It didn't bother me that much at the time, as I thought they were just doing their job, but in retrospect, I don't think anyone else was subjected to this. Perhaps I just give off a terrorist vibe (might have been the balaclava) ..Oh yeh, was in a Manchester bar as a teen (about two months after the '94 ceasefire) with my dad, uncle, cousin and a few other Irish people (not that Manchester isn't full of Irish anyway). Next thing there was a loud bang outside, gave us all quite a jolt. Never found out what it was. Our group got dirty looks from a few people in the bar... but that could have been in my head.
It may have been paranoia, on the other hand, maybe not. A lot of perceived discrimination is very subjective by nature and thus not provable; but if you feel that you have experienced 'hibernophobia', you probably have.SicklySweet wrote: »First and only time i experienced it, was on holiday and a group of people from England decided to burn the Irish flag.
Quite scary.
That's pretty blatant. Just as blatant as Northern Protestants burning the Irish tricolour and an effigy of the Pope every year at their 11th July bonfires. Yes, it really happens.Lucy and Harry wrote: »Shane Ward winning X Factor proves you wrong.
I remember in Magaluf I saw about 18 years ago a sign in the window of a bar No dogs or Irish.....
I was young then and felt maybe I should not hang around and get the taxi back to Santa Ponza.Should have smashed the windows or set fire to the place looking back as it was day time and no one was around.
"No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" and "No Irish Need Apply" (NINA signs) were a common sight in the windows of bed and breakfasts in London in the 1960's, a time long before political correctness. Anti-Irish discrimination was rife in England at that time, and you'll still encounter it today, only in a much subtler form.Was once told that during Bloody Sunday that "we didn't kill enough of you".
He was firmly in his arse.
Again, very blatant. but you don't know where this level of animosity is coming from. Perhaps one of his family or friends was in the British Army and liked by the IRA, you don't know. Still, that doesn't justify that type of sentiment, as the bloody Sunday massacre was also unjustified, and Cameron even apologised to the families of the people in Derry who were gunned down by the paratroop regiment.Was also once told by a National Front member that I had no right to hold an Irish passport if I was from Nothern Ireland. He also said that Irish passport holders had no place in the education system in England.
I just told him he was mental because he clearly was.
Another very clear and blatant example of hibernophobia. The NF are a far-right organisation akin to the BNP, many of their members are English football hooligans and undereducated, so not surprised you experienced this level of prejudice and hostility. The irony of course is that the people in NI are British, Northern Irish and Irish, and you can choose to be either Irish or British, or both and hold both a British and Irish passport if you choose.
Many English people also oppose Northern Ireland's place within the UK, as NI benefits slightly more under the Barnett Formula, and some English people resent that despite the NI economy suffering a lot more due to 30 years of political violence. During my time on a UK forum I learned that most English people (certainly on that forum) are in favour of Irish unification, as they view N.Ireland as "a nuisance state", a "waste of British tax-payer's money" and "a liability" They do not appreciate Ulster's 'loyalty'.Yes and its (possibly) the only country in the world where they are not vilfied - well not as much as they would be in England and to a lesser extent Ireland(depends where in Ireland your from);).
Oh and as to the Hibernophobia! Once heard a girl in a pub ask here friend for a glass of cider - she shouts to him as he's on his way to the bar 'don't get me the fenian stuff(I assume she meant Magners)!
"Fenian" was an umbrella term for the Fenian Brotherhood and Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB) before being used by Ulster Protestants as a derogatory term to describe not just Irish Republicans but Catholics in general. Like the term "fascist", it is has generally been viewed as a term of abuse by the Irish Catholic minority in NI.English yobs who tailcoat Loyalism in it's Glasgow Rangers or Ulster paramilitary guises are usually inadequate saddo's attracted by it's macho allure, Chelsea have an element of these in their fan base, people from Slough or Staines with no culture, identity or accent so they go looking for one.
The English Defence League (EDL) have adopted the Loyalist slogan "No Surrender" as their own. They seem to be emulating Loyalism as a means of dealing with militant Islam in England, and to provide themselves with an aura of strength.0 -
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This reminds me - we were in Vienna in 2008 for the Euros. Again sitting outside a cafe, there was a group of German fans at the next table. When they heard our accents, one turned around and asked why Ireland had voted No to the Lisbon Treaty? "Because we could, democracy and all that" was the answer. He quickly turned back to his mates
Although in hindsight, democracy hasn't really worked out well for us...:(
Had to laugh at the idea of a German recognising Irish people by their accent...0 -
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