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    #3272
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,104 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    robinph wrote: »
    More confidence in them being able to make the correct descion based on the facts than the lynch mob of boards.

    But the Appeal court said the original trial judge erred in her application of the law. Couldn't have confidence in that.


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    #3273
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I'm confused in relation to the comment on "Pistorius must have known shooting though the door would have killed someone" does that mean if it was a burglar it would still have been murder ?
    yes. And the same law applies here in Ireland.


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    #3274
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I'm confused in relation to the comment on "Pistorius must have known shooting though the door would have killed someone" does that mean if it was a burglar it would still have been murder ?

    Essentially, yes. There was no warning shot and he shot to kill. Who was thought to be behind the door was deemed irrelevant. Realistically he knew full well who was behind the door, and the hole in his story is the way in which he made insufficient effort to determine who was actually in there and shot without an attempt to do so.


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    #3275
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    robinph wrote: »
    More confidence in them being able to make the correct descion based on the facts than the lynch mob of boards.


    As you are so concerned with facts and law and correct procedure that's now totally irrelevant and this 'lynch mob' has been proven correct because he is now deemed to be a convicted murderer.

    After all the facts and blah blah blah you have spewed during and particularly post verdict it seems you are wrong and have always been wrong. maybe it's time to eat a slice of that humble pie.


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    #3276
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest....I just don't think there was enough evidence put forward to say that Pistorius did know it was Reeva S behind the door and less again to say his intention was to kill.

    doesn't really matter what rose tinted glasses you were looking through. There was evidence and plenty of it... he's now a convicted murderer according to a supreme court judge and the majority of the planet who had any insight into the case.
    I also don't like the idea of a system where you can be charged with something then re-charged without a full trial.

    What about someone who has spent years in prison but are actually innocent, when the appeal finds them to be so, should there be a full re trial? It's the same principle, only the converse...nonsensical and idiotic in equal measure.
    I do feel this has more to do with the public backlash about the original conviction than any real feeling that he is actually guilty.

    This sounds like nothing more than chucking your toys out of the pram, ridiculous.


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    #3277
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Nodin wrote: »
    Essentially, yes. There was no warning shot and he shot to kill. Who was thought to be behind the door was deemed irrelevant. Realistically he knew full well who was behind the door, and the hole in his story is the way in which he made insufficient effort to determine who was actually in there and shot without an attempt to do so.

    Yeah I get that now, I would have thought SA would have more Robust house defence laws though.


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    #3278
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Muff Richardson wrote: »
    As you are so concerned with facts and law and correct procedure that's now totally irrelevant and this 'lynch mob' has been proven correct because he is now deemed to be a convicted murderer.

    After all the facts and blah blah blah you have spewed during and particularly post verdict it seems you are wrong and have always been wrong. maybe it's time to eat a slice of that humble pie.

    Are you aware of what he has now been found guilty of? He has still not been found guilty of the murder of Reeva Steenkamp, or of pre meditated murder.

    Never had any issue with this verdict as being the result.


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    #3279
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    robinph wrote: »
    Are you aware of what he has now been found guilty of? He has still not been found guilty of the murder of Reeva Steenkamp, or of pre meditated murder.

    Never had any issue with this verdict as being the result.

    Yet you call it a 'lynch mob'


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    #3280
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Muff Richardson wrote: »
    Yet you call it a 'lynch mob'

    Bunch of people calling for blood based on zero evidence for the crime they think was committed? Sounds about right.


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    #3281
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yeah I get that now, I would have thought SA would have more Robust house defence laws though.

    If you can find me a country that allows burglars to be shot dead for hiding in a toilet, please let me know the name.


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    #3282
    Vic_08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    robinph wrote: »
    Bunch of people calling for blood based on zero evidence for the crime they think was committed? Sounds about right.

    How can you actually say something so patently stupid as that?

    Zero Evidence? Apart from the dead girl and (actual) smoking gun in Oscar's hand?

    The only thing there is zero evidence for is anything other than the simple fact that he committed the crime, the very essence of an open and shut case.


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    #3283
    PressRun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭PressRun


    His story was ridiculous from the outset, tbh. Right verdict.


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    #3284
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    How can you actually say something so patently stupid as that?

    Zero Evidence? Apart from the dead girl and (actual) smoking gun in Oscar's hand?

    The only thing there is zero evidence for is anything other than the simple fact that he committed the crime, the very essence of an open and shut case.

    Please do try and keep up.

    There are two different murder charges that have been discussed throughout the case. The one that he has now been found guilty of you are quit right there is plenty of evidence for.

    The other charge of pre meditated murder of RS there is zero evidence for, but that seems to be what people think he has now been found guilty of and have been screaming for since the start. He has not been found guilty of that charge.


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    #3285
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    robinph wrote: »
    Please do try and keep up.

    There are two different murder charges that have been discussed throughout the case. The one that he has now been found guilty of you are quit right there is plenty of evidence for.

    The other charge of pre meditated murder of RS there is zero evidence for, but that seems to be what people think he has now been found guilty of and have been screaming for since the start. He has not been found guilty of that charge.

    It makes no odds. He murdered that poor girl and now he is going away for a long, long time. Justice has been served to him. His fairytale was completely unbelievable. I understand the charge isn't that he specifically murdered Reeva, but you seem pretty butt hurt that the majority of your statements have been proven completely wrong and your trying to use semantics to get a semblance of saving face.


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    #3286
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It makes no odds. He murdered that poor girl and now he is going away for a long, long time. Justice has been served to him. His fairytale was completely unbelievable. I understand the charge isn't that he specifically murdered Reeva, but you seem pretty butt hurt that the majority of your statements have been proven completely wrong and your trying to use semantics to get a semblance of saving face.
    What has been proven wrong?


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    #3287
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    robinph wrote: »
    Are you aware of what he has now been found guilty of? He has still not been found guilty of the murder of Reeva Steenkamp, or of pre meditated murder.

    Never had any issue with this verdict as being the result.

    Are all the media outlets wrong then? :confused:
    Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius has been found guilty of murder after a South African appeals court overturned an earlier manslaughter verdict.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002


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    #3288
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Are all the media outlets wrong then? :confused:



    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34993002

    Nope, they are correct. You are just reading it wrong.


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    #3289
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    robinph wrote: »
    Nope, they are correct. You are just reading it wrong.

    Ah, OK. Note to self: sign up for 'Introduction to Reading Comprehension'.


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    #3290
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    robinph wrote: »
    Just had a look at the twitter and the masses do seem to be getting a bit upset at the verdict so far. I guess most people were listening to a different set of evidence to what the prosecution was actually presenting to the judge then?

    The appeal judge must have been "listening to a different set of evidence to what the prosecution was actually presenting to the judge then?"

    Eh?


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    #3291
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The appeal judge must have been "listening to a different set of evidence to what the prosecution was actually presenting to the judge then?"

    Eh?
    Nope. It's clear he re-evaluated the same evidence.

    You need to go and read up on this case and see exactly what Pistorious has now been found guilty of and why.


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    #3292
    Kunkka
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Kunkka


    robinph wrote: »
    What has been proven wrong?

    In fairness, you seemed pretty keen to defend Oscar throughout this thread. You clearly believed his version of events in some shape or form as ridiculous as they were. The right thing to do now would be to just say you got it wrong & this horrible liar is getting a proper jail sentence.

    It's one thing to kill someone but it's the sign of a sociopath the way he has gone on with these fabrications.


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    #3293
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The appeal judge must have been "listening to a different set of evidence to what the prosecution was actually presenting to the judge then?"

    Eh?

    You've misunderstood what is being talked about again.

    People were shouting for a guilty of pre-meditated murder of RS.

    That is not what he has just been found guilty of.


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    #3294
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Kunkka wrote: »
    In fairness, you seemed pretty keen to defend Oscar throughout this thread. You clearly believed his version of events in some shape or form as ridiculous as they were. The right thing to do now would be to just say you got it wrong & this horrible liar is getting a proper jail sentence.

    It's one thing to kill someone but it's the sign of a sociopath the way he has gone on with these fabrications.

    His version of events have not been proved wrong. Both the original judge and the appeal judges fully accept his version of events.


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    #3295
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Dog. With. A. Bone.


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    #3296
    whatstherush
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭whatstherush


    robinph wrote: »
    You've misunderstood what is being talked about again.

    People were shouting for a guilty of pre-meditated murder of RS.

    That is not what he has just been found guilty of.

    "pre meditated" is a term you have added. There's is nothing incorrect in saying he has been found guilty of the murder of RS. You can south your soul by saying he didn't know it was her if you want.


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    #3297
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    whatstherush wrote: »
    "pre meditated" is a term you have added. There's is nothing incorrect in saying he has been found guilty of the murder of RS. You can south your soul by saying he didn't know it was her if you want.

    I didn't come up with the "pre-meditated" bit. That was what he was being charged with right from the outset.

    I'm perfectly happy with the current verdict and my position has not changed from the start. The initial judge dismissed this version of murder due to some technical reading of the SA law and some Latin terminology which nobody really understood, but now the appeal judges have re-read that and found it correct to find him guilty of that charge.

    You can sooth your soul by thinking that he has now been found guilty of what people were screaming for, the pre-meditated murder charge. The fact is that he has not.


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    #3298
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    But, he has been found guilty of murder, yes?


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    #3299
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    But, he has been found guilty of murder, yes?

    Yes.


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    #3300
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    robinph wrote: »
    Yes.

    OK. Then why did you say he hadn't been in the following post?
    robinph wrote: »
    Are you aware of what he has now been found guilty of? He has still not been found guilty of the murder of Reeva Steenkamp, or of pre meditated murder.

    Never had any issue with this verdict as being the result.

    You didn't just say he hadn't been found guilty of pre-meditated murder. You said that he hadn't been found guilty of murder or pre-meditated murder.


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    #3301
    Kunkka
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Kunkka


    robinph wrote: »
    His version of events have not been proved wrong. Both the original judge and the appeal judges fully accept his version of events.

    O come on!!!


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