fire front doors

rogdodge

does anybdoy know where i can buy a Devielle fire front door for a fireplace with a grant fitted boiler, hursts in castlebar and stove centre are out of stock cant seem to find them anywhere else, boru dorus way too dear at over 600 euros couldnt justify that for what is only half an inset stove really, i presume Devielle are foreign made while Boru are irish and typical rip off, Devielle were retailing at 270 to 300 euros, or any other makes out there??

Marinjohn

check out Mazona on stovecentre ie ....looks equal quality to boru and a fraction of the price.

rogdodge

thanks seen them on line 350 euros, just thought somebody would know where to gt Devielle, prob go for the mazona at 350, boru prices are crazy, will post up my updates when i get the door, have you had a mazona fitted?

Marinjohn

I have ordered a Mazona,it looks better quality than the Deville...Mazona looks very similar to Boru but for 200 euro less has to be worth it!Will report on it when installed..

rogdodge

Cheers marinjohn, just got a quote from the stove shop fora hestia door 650!, and a henley from walshes in galway for 450, mazona it is, will have to get a fixture made up as my fireplace has the lombard arch, the stove centre does an insert for the san remo inset stove this might fit or i can adjust it, or just get a blacksmith to make an insert and i can fit it myself

Marinjohn

Best of luck with it,let me know how it works out,and I will do the sane...I am hoping to save a bit on fuel (2 euro carbon tax on bags coming in april ) and get more heat into my rads.Although 350 is a lot of money its not as bad as 650 or 550 for the boru,so its worth the risk!

paddy_joe

http://yolastoves.wordpress.com/yola-fire-door/

dont know the price

rogdodge

rang them think it was 700 for the yola !!! rip off republic at its best

Devrobia

600 euro for the Yola Firedoor with convection technology...Definitely one of the best doors on the market

Marinjohn

rogdodge wrote: »

Cheers marinjohn, just got a quote from the stove shop fora hestia door 650!, and a henley from walshes in galway for 450, mazona it is, will have to get a fixture made up as my fireplace has the lombard arch, the stove centre does an insert for the san remo inset stove this might fit or i can adjust it, or just get a blacksmith to make an insert and i can fit it myself

Installed it yesterday and so far I reckon they are a waste of time if you have a Grant back boiler...The problem is there is not enough air getting in even with both vents open to direct the heat under the boiler..So its like having the damper pushed in and will only barely heat thr rads up...I am sitting here now with the door open to try and heat the house up...And the heat in the room where the door is fitted is lovely and warm now....I suppose the only thing is with the door closed it will save you some fuel but so would leaving you fuel out in the coal bunker and not lighting your fire at all which would have nearly the same effect as using one of these fire doors...So I would say save your money or perhaps buy a stove which wont cost you much more than one of these doors..

rogdodge

im still waiting for engineering guy to make my fire place surround, id try taking off the meatal plate inside the door to let more air in see if that works?, also what fuel are you using, smokeless coal?

Marinjohn

rogdodge wrote: »

im still waiting for engineering guy to make my fire place surround, id try taking off the meatal plate inside the door to let more air in see if that works?, also what fuel are you using, smokeless coal?

Hi rodge i took of plate but to no avail...the only way the door works effectively is if i open the door slightly which defeats the purpose...beginning to wonder if the vent is large enough to let in enough air for a good draw...I use some coal,briquettes and mostly ovoids,I think they are a smokless fuel...did you order a mazona?? John

Imptech

Fitted the Yola Steel Fire Door 2 days ago with an adapter plate (fitted against a cast insert fire place had to remove the existing hood on the fire place 2 bolts) all good so far. Fitted door in less than 2 hours, lit a handy fire the first night to bake the paint and cure the fire cement, day 2 lit the fire at 7.30am at 8pm room temperature was 26 degrees ( room size 16' X 17' opens up to a kitchen 20' X 14' 23 degrees out here house well insulated), used 50% less fuel. Bought the door directly from the lads at Yola in Wexford

rogdodge

Marinjohn wrote: »

Installed it yesterday and so far I reckon they are a waste of time if you have a Grant back boiler...The problem is there is not enough air getting in even with both vents open to direct the heat under the boiler..So its like having the damper pushed in and will only barely heat thr rads up...I am sitting here now with the door open to try and heat the house up...And the heat in the room where the door is fitted is lovely and warm now....I suppose the only thing is with the door closed it will save you some fuel but so would leaving you fuel out in the coal bunker and not lighting your fire at all which would have nearly the same effect as using one of these fire doors...So I would say save your money or perhaps buy a stove which wont cost you much more than one of these doors..

I heard someone before say you have to play with the boiler damper plate ( on top of the boiler) i know with my open fire if i push it to the back of the fireplace it pushes the heat out to the room but doesnt heat the boiler too good, when i bring the damper out to the front it heats the boiler far better, yeah i bought a mazona 2 weeks ago now, waiting for plate to be made, so i cant say whats wrong with yours until i get mine in, maybe coz the weathers so mild? was in a house last night and they were complaining of the fire in their stanley stove giving no heat with no draw up the chimney

rogdodge

Imptech wrote: »

Fitted the Yola Steel Fire Door 2 days ago with an adapter plate (fitted against a cast insert fire place had to remove the existing hood on the fire place 2 bolts) all good so far. Fitted door in less than 2 hours, lit a handy fire the first night to bake the paint and cure the fire cement, day 2 lit the fire at 7.30am at 8pm room temperature was 26 degrees ( room size 16' X 17' opens up to a kitchen 20' X 14' 23 degrees out here house well insulated), used 50% less fuel. Bought the door directly from the lads at Yola in Wexford

how much for the yola and did they make the adapter plate, how much was that too?

Imptech

rogdodge wrote: »

how much for the yola and did they make the adapter plate, how much was that too?

550euro for the door, got them to throw in the adapter plate for that, the plate is only 3mm steel sprayed the same colour as the door, the plate is sandwiched between the door and the cast fireplace insert sealed with fire rope also supplied. I was dealing with Keith from Yola, he is on the ball.

rogdodge

Had the mazona lit now a good few times. fitted it myself, no problem with draft, heats the rads quicker and holds the heat a lot longer than open fire, only using bout half the fuel ( ecobrite smokeless) i have a big enough house so open fire wouldnt heat all the rads downstairs never mind upstairs before.looks good , not as pretty as a ceramic front but for 350 euros and 20 for adapter plate well worth it and overall am pleased with it

Marinjohn

rogdodge wrote: »

Had the mazona lit now a good few times. fitted it myself, no problem with draft, heats the rads quicker and holds the heat a lot longer than open fire, only using bout half the fuel ( ecobrite smokeless) i have a big enough house so open fire wouldnt heat all the rads downstairs never mind upstairs before.looks good , not as pretty as a ceramic front but for 350 euros and 20 for adapter plate well worth it and overall am pleased with it

Glad to hear its working well for you,mine is also but only when i open the door slightly,the vents have no effect at all.

slaney

so lads would you recommend getting a fire door after your experience, did you save much on fuel

RubyGirl

Looking to get one of these aswell, came across a company in Mayo with the best price for them. How is everyone getting on with theirs?

dbdee77

Hi there have just bought a boru doras fire front, haven't fitted yet has anyone here got one fitted and how is it working out for you.Thanks

Bligh

Hi Guys,

I am thinking of a stove when I discovered this thread on the fire doors, money is tight and I have an existing open fire with back boiler, that does not really heat any of the rads very well. looks like mixed reviews on the fire doors and fronts so far. Will it provide better heat to the rads and will it provide better heat to the room, are you still not losing a lot of heat up the chimney. would be great to get some feedback on this.

Thanks

dbdee77

Bligh wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I am thinking of a stove when I discovered this thread on the fire doors, money is tight and I have an existing open fire with back boiler, that does not really heat any of the rads very well. looks like mixed reviews on the fire doors and fronts so far. Will it provide better heat to the rads and will it provide better heat to the room, are you still not losing a lot of heat up the chimney. would be great to get some feedback on this.

Thanks

Hi Bligh, my understanding with these doors is that they cut down on fuel usage, you get better control of your open fire, they generate more heat to back boiler hence more heat to rads and they cut down on drafts going through house to feed open fire as you turn it into a closed unit. The door itself will not generate more heat into room there is a chance you slightly lose a bit of heat but then again you should get it in the rads, now the yola fire door has a convector chamber so basically takes in cold air and releases it as warm air. I have bought a boru doras to help with coal usage and better heat to boiler as getting a stove was to expensive and a lot of work at present minute but the stove would be a better option as it would be more controllable and generate more heat, hope this helps as i'm learning to, thanks D

Bligh

Many thanks D,

Thats very helpful, trying to discover which solution would be the most benefit and reduce costs in the run term is the main goal.

dbdee77

Bligh wrote: »

Many thanks D,

Thats very helpful, trying to discover which solution would be the most benefit and reduce costs in the run term is the main goal.

I think if your looking at a long term solution you would probably be investing in a good boiler stove if you want it to heat the house but reading through some threads these doors seem to do the job, i'll be fitting mine Thursday after I get chimney cleaned so I will keep you posted on how I think it performs

Imptech

Fitted the yola fire door last year. I had a 16" open fire with a firebird back boiler, which had 20 rads (1 double = 2 rads) this was a pig on fuel. I was using a bag of coal and half a bag of slack and about 2 wheel barrows of timber a week. Fuel was costing about 30euro per week. Post fitting the door i have definatley seen a significant reduction in fuel, up to 50%, a significant increase in heat to the room ( room size 16'X17' which opens up to kitchen 20'X14'), haven't seen much of an increase in temp to the rads but that's probably down to the number of rads on the zone. One of the big advantages with the yola is the convection chamber which takes in the cold air at the bottom and spits out warm air out the top. Best 550 euro i spent and took only an hour to fit.

dbdee77

Imptech wrote: »

Fitted the yola fire door last year. I had a 16" open fire with a firebird back boiler, which had 20 rads (1 double = 2 rads) this was a pig on fuel. I was using a bag of coal and half a bag of slack and about 2 wheel barrows of timber a week. Fuel was costing about 30euro per week. Post fitting the door i have definatley seen a significant reduction in fuel, up to 50%, a significant increase in heat to the room ( room size 16'X17' which opens up to kitchen 20'X14'), haven't seen much of an increase in temp to the rads but that's probably down to the number of rads on the zone. One of the big advantages with the yola is the convection chamber which takes in the cold air at the bottom and spits out warm air out the top. Best 550 euro i spent and took only an hour to fit.

Hi Imptech, my fire is similar to yours and your right they use some amount of fuel, at winter I keep my fire in 24/7 and I would go through practically 25kg of smokeless coal a day that's 3 buckets a day, now saying that the cottage would be at a nice temperature but i'm hoping when I fit this door it will ease up on the fuel usage and a bit more heat to back boiler. The yola door does look the job especially with the convection chamber I settled on the boru doras. Have you tried keeping the fire in all night with the yola as this is what I want to do with the boru

dbdee77

rogdodge wrote: »

Had the mazona lit now a good few times. fitted it myself, no problem with draft, heats the rads quicker and holds the heat a lot longer than open fire, only using bout half the fuel ( ecobrite smokeless) i have a big enough house so open fire wouldnt heat all the rads downstairs never mind upstairs before.looks good , not as pretty as a ceramic front but for 350 euros and 20 for adapter plate well worth it and overall am pleased with it

Hi rogdodge, how are you getting on with the Mazona fire front?

Imptech

Hi dbdee77, never needed to keep the fire going all night as the house is fairly new and very well insulated, but there would be no bother loading it up before calling it a night. I looked at the boru and to be honest i didn't like it.

dbdee77

Imptech wrote: »

Hi dbdee77, never needed to keep the fire going all night as the house is fairly new and very well insulated, but there would be no bother loading it up before calling it a night. I looked at the boru and to be honest i didn't like it.

Hi Imptech, I live in an old cottage so keeping it in all night and the backboiler comes in handy for me, I must admit I like the yola door to but I got a good deal on the boru. I fitted today and already I've noticed there's no draft going through room it surprised me the difference, so now I just have to get the fire going to test it finger's crossed it does what it's supposed to. Thanks D

Imptech

Best of look with that door, it will definatley make a difference in the pocket.......

dueaug

Has anyone any feedback on the boru doras? Or is any other door better? In theory it sounds great but do they work? Have concerns about cracking the chimney breast and heat in living room.

One supplier said fitting one should increase heat output by 60% to rads. Just can't afford a stove so like the idea of these.

Thanks

dbdee77

Boru firefront fitted last Thursday, so had a couple of small fires just with wood found that it was quite controllable when you have bottom vent open you can hear fire draw well then when closed the fire died down. Last night I lit it with smokeless coal and I have to admit I was impressed, I got fire started with newspapers scrunched up then some dry kindling at this point I left door slightly open then I started to add the coal and closed up door this was at 4.30 at 6.00 the fire was running well so I experimented with the air and left top one half open and bottom one open slightly and left the fire like this, at 1.00am the fire was still glowing , the radiators were warm and that was without the dampner open for back boiler, I got up at 7.00am there were a few red coals and the living room was at 22c. So far I am happy with this door and I reckon it will definitely work for all night burning

dueaug

Thanks dbdee77. If you don't mind how much did it cost to buy the door and get it fitted. Do you have to use smokeless coal. Where did you get it?
Did anyone say anything about the chimney cracking to you? This would be a big worry of mine.

dbdee77

dueaug wrote: »

Thanks dbdee77. If you don't mind how much did it cost to buy the door and get it fitted. Do you have to use smokeless coal. Where did you get it?
Did anyone say anything about the chimney cracking to you? This would be a big worry of mine.

Hi Dueaug, you can burn logs, peat, smoky and smokeless coal. I fitted my own they have the fire rope on them and the instructions are a gift. I bought mine up north but I have seen them on done deal brand new for 420e. From what I know the fireplace has to be properly constructed for solid fuel eg expansion and so on but if your fire is back boiler it should be fine. They don't recommend you fitting to a fire without back boiler as there is a possibility of chimney overheating as I read on another forum. But regarding my own its lit again tonight great heat and coal def lasting longer, I hope this helps you could email boru themselves who would explain it better but i'm happy with mine well so far lol.

dueaug

Dbd777 thanks a million, I really appreciate the information.:)

slaney

are the de ville doors any good , does anyone know

chad69

hi i just purchased a Deville fire front today
fitted it in about 30 mins , no problem
cant seem to get the fire to keep going without opening the door
anyone got any views or answers
help please as i dont want to have wasted my money

slaney

did ya slide over the bottom vent

chad69

Slaney

yes i have its is not heating rads at all
only way i can get it to heat is leave the door slightly ajar
but that defeats the purpose of having one
Have you got one yourself ?

slaney

got it yesterday gettin it put in tomo

chad69

keep me posted how you got on best of luck
mine seems to be working a little better today
heating upstairs rads no problem ( but hot water rises on its own )
downstairs ones only luke warm ,but the living room is roasting
cheers

Robbie.G

chad69 wrote: »

keep me posted how you got on best of luck
mine seems to be working a little better today
heating upstairs rads no problem ( but hot water rises on its own )
downstairs ones only luke warm ,but the living room is roasting
cheers

The fire door has no bearing on how the heating is working.If you have a problem with the rads heating that's nothing to do with the door but a heating system issue.
The fits door is only slowing down the burn rate

chad69

Hi robbieG
yes but my rads were heating perfectally well until i fitted the door
so obviously it has something to do with it
have you any suggestions ?

Robbie.G

chad69 wrote: »

Hi robbieG
yes but my rads were heating perfectally well until i fitted the door
so obviously it has something to do with it
have you any suggestions ?

What way dies your pump comeonis it on a switch or a stat check that.
What's your hot water like is it better or worse than before.
Sometimes it can be as simple as getting used to the burn rate/air control the more air
As I said the fire door does not make the fire hotter or colder it's the way it's used that does that.

slaney

went to fit it today and one of the wing nuts had no thread on it and the bolt didn't go all the way through on the back of door, brought it back to the shop and 2 more fresh ones out of box had same issue. the one on display worked perfect- new batch didn't, so going back tomo, to get new one or money back. headwrecking- had a fella sorted to help me fit it, only noticed problem about five

ecoangel

Hi Slaney,
Did you get your money back or did they give you another replacement?

slaney

got money back 2 weeks ago and bought new door yesterday, gonna fit it in over wkend. hope it works out

ecoangel

Good luck with it, what type of door did you get. I am looking at the De Vielle door in Joyces of Headford in Galway, they are only 250 euro, so am a bit worried at the difference in price, they also sell the Doras door for 400.

Fries-With-That

Connellys Topline hardware in Carlow have a Deville firefront on sale at the moment for only €250.

I have no connection to this shop just saw their brochure whilst googling Deville firefronts after reading this thread.

chad69

Hi guys I fitted my deville front
I have a grant triple pass back boiler and it was way too small so I had to bring the whole back plate 4 inches forward to be able to get a decent stick on
I have to say no that it works great
But I just have to make a new mantle and fire surround to accommodate the 4 inches
I now works great but it takes a little bit of messing with the vents to get the best results