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Jonny Sexton leaving Leinster *mod warning post 1*

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    #1322
    Esteban Scary Sucker
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    Anyone else not particularly surprised?


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    #1323
    jamiedav2011
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    .ak wrote: »
    Ireland fly-half Jonathan Sexton admits he wanted to stay at Leinster next season

    Hardly leaves the IRFU smelling of roses....

    You shower of utter inept cretins IRFU.
    Ridiculous carry on.


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    #1324
    .ak
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyone else not particularly surprised?

    No. It's just the first time we've heard it from his mouth.


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    #1325
    trouttrout
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    I'm sure if Leinster were going to be able to afford to keep him it would have been allowed.


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    #1326
    thomond2006
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    I'm surprised he's come out with those comments. He's dead right to tell the IRFU to shove it if he feels they were messing with him.

    This is where a central contract system fails, if the union makes a mess of things then it leaves the province in limbo. Leinster are very lucky that Madigan is in situ.


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    #1327
    .ak
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    I'm sure if Leinster were going to be able to afford to keep him it would have been allowed.

    As he said, don't think it works like that. The Leinster branch can't offer to outbid the IRFU's central contract, afaik.


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    #1328
    shuffol
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    Annoying as a Leinster fan but I can see why the move makes sense from an IRFU point of view, big wage off the books and means there'll be an extra IQ outhalf starting in the HEC next season, thats 5 in total I think, far cry from 5 years ago.


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    #1329
    Buer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    This is where a central contract system fails, if the union makes a mess of things then it leaves the province in limbo. Leinster are very lucky that Madigan is in situ.

    To an extent but he's still nowhere near the level of Sexton. We're losing the best outhalf in Europe. Madigan is a really talented, promising player who is improving but there's a gulf there.


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    #1330
    trouttrout
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    .ak wrote: »
    As he said, don't think it works like that. The Leinster branch can't offer to outbid the IRFU's central contract, afaik.

    hmm well tbh, if he really wanted to stay in Ireland he could have. I mean I'm sure the IRFU were offering him decent terms, but obviously nothing in the realm of Racing Metro


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    #1331
    Tox56
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    Buer wrote: »
    To an extent but he's still nowhere near the level of Sexton. We're losing the best outhalf in Europe. Madigan is a really talented, promising player who is improving but there's a gulf there.

    Yeah, it could be a whole lot worse but we are definitely going to suffer


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    #1332
    darragh_haven
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    Surely they were going to offer something similar to heaslip. The truth is no one of us joe public know what the irfu were offering, and we don't know if leinster could match it or even exceeded it. I ASSUME the main factor sexton went to metro is cash, and bucket loads of it.


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    #1333
    Buer
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    darragh_haven wrote: »
    Surely they were going to offer something similar to heaslip. The truth is no one of us joe public know what the irfu were offering, and we don't know if leinster could match it or even exceeded it. I ASSUME the main factor sexton went to metro is cash, and bucket loads of it.

    The whole story was though that they didn't offer what they were paying Heaslip. They held out and refused. Only at the 11th hour when Sexton had already agreed to the Racing move did they decide to offer equal to Heaslip.


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    #1334
    .ak
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    hmm well tbh, if he really wanted to stay in Ireland he could have. I mean I'm sure the IRFU were offering him decent terms, but obviously nothing in the realm of Racing Metro

    I think if they offered him something decent he would've stayed. That's clear enough from the interview, he was more interested in playing for Leinster than moving to France. The difference in the offer must've been absolutely significant, i.e the IRFU weren't willing to pay him near what Jamie was getting (400k).


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    #1335
    Esteban Scary Sucker
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    hmm well tbh, if he really wanted to stay in Ireland he could have. I mean I'm sure the IRFU were offering him decent terms, but obviously nothing in the realm of Racing Metro

    If I get offered twice the money I'm on right now to do the same job at a rival company, I'd be gone in the morning.

    Rationality isn't a crime.


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    #1336
    vienne86
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    You shower of utter inept cretins IRFU.
    Ridiculous carry on.

    Couldn't have put it better myself. It must be frustrating for players and their agents, who are all professionals in their business, to have to deal with a bunch of amateurs in blazers. He is a huge loss for Leinster, but I can only wish him the best of luck - hope he enjoys playing Top 14 rugby and I hope he enjoys the Paris experience.


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    #1337
    thomond2006
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    Buer wrote: »
    To an extent but he's still nowhere near the level of Sexton. We're losing the best outhalf in Europe. Madigan is a really talented, promising player who is improving but there's a gulf there.

    Absolutely agree, but it could be a lot worse for Leinster.


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    #1338
    Micky Dolenz
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    Sounds like a cheap parting dig to me. If he really wanted to play in Ireland, he would be.


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    #1339
    Buer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Absolutely agree, but it could be a lot worse for Leinster.

    Hmmm, not even that sure. If Madigan wasn't there Leinster would have signed a higher profile player than Gopperth as a direct replacement. It's great we have Madigan but Leinster wouldn't have gone without if he wasn't there.


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    #1340
    .ak
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Sounds like a cheap parting dig to me. If he really wanted to play in Ireland, he would be.

    Do you think his pay being matched with Heaslip was an unfair request?


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    #1341
    vienne86
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Sounds like a cheap parting dig to me. If he really wanted to play in Ireland, he would be.

    How do you know that?


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    #1342
    Buer
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Sounds like a cheap parting dig to me. If he really wanted to play in Ireland, he would be.

    It probably isa bit of a parting shot. He wasn't allowed negotiate with his team and offered unfavourable terms by a central organisation who were trying to play hardball even though they could offer more. I'd be bitter too.


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    #1343
    Micky Dolenz
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    .ak wrote: »
    Do you think his pay being matched with Heaslip was an unfair request?

    Is that what he asked for?.
    vienne86 wrote: »
    How do you know that?


    How do I know what? That he could have stayed at Leinster? They did offer him a contract.


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    #1344
    trouttrout
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    Buer wrote: »
    It probably isa bit of a parting shot. He wasn't allowed negotiate with his team and offered unfavourable terms by a central organisation who were trying to play hardball even though they could offer more. I'd be bitter too.

    We don't know that.


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    #1345
    Esteban Scary Sucker
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    How do I know what? That he could have stayed at Leinster? They did offer him a contract.

    umm, exactly the opposite is what is reported in the article.


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    #1346
    Buer
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Is that what he asked for?.

    As reported by his godfather, yes.


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    #1347
    Buer
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    We don't know that.

    Definitively, no, we don't.

    Going on his godfather's article, yes, they could and only chose to offer it at the very last second when it was too late.


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    #1348
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Is that what he asked for?.
    Thats what his godfather put in the national media. Instead he was offered less than Heaslip until he had signed abroad when the union came in and said buy yourself out of your contract with those foreigners and we will match heaslip's salary.


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    #1349
    vienne86
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    .ak wrote: »
    Do you think his pay being matched with Heaslip was an unfair request?

    I'm not at all sure that he made that request, but if he had, it would have been justified.


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    #1350
    ScissorPaperRock
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    Not this can of worms again!

    Obviously the value/premium Sexton placed on playing for Leinster wasn't enough to make up for the difference between the two salaries he was offered. Nothing much else to it.


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    #1351
    jm08
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    Couldn't have put it better myself. It must be frustrating for players and their agents, who are all professionals in their business, to have to deal with a bunch of amateurs in blazers. He is a huge loss for Leinster, but I can only wish him the best of luck - hope he enjoys playing Top 14 rugby and I hope he enjoys the Paris experience.

    Tom Grace (who controls the IRFU's purse strings) is about as far from an amateur as you could get.

    Sexton was used as a high profile example that the IRFU were not going to entertain what they would consider to be unsustainable wage demands.


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