My LS430 - Converted to LPG - Review

sorel

daRobot wrote: »

No, I don't use them, but I do use NGK Iridium plugs which are good for LPG.

Like I said in my previous post (why do people have to repeat themselves again and again to you?) they are not necessary but perform better .

And no, I don't use flashlube for my car as it's not needed for a LS430, but for others it may be needed.

I also have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make here, by the way. It would follow on in the same vein as your previous posts, which have a puzzling logic at the very best.

I'm trying to tell , that LPG fuel no worse than petrol.I spoke to LPG installers many times about it . They said that, when somebody wants to spend more money, always find the way how to do that.

who_ru

I just dropped the car off with the boys in Tallaght this morning.

should be ready tomorrow afternoon.

Hopefully all will go well.

It's a Mazda 6 1.8ltr petrol.

mullingar

who_ru wrote: »

I just dropped the car off with the boys in Tallaght this morning.

should be ready tomorrow afternoon.

Hopefully all will go well.

It's a Mazda 6 1.8ltr petrol.

Yay, throw up a few pictures of the system when you get a chance!

who_ru

So got the car back from the lads and so far so good.

I got the 82 litre tank installed, the lads actually have pictures up on their website already, it's the 2009 mazda 6.

engine sounds pretty much the same as it always did. when starting the engine from cold it takes about 60 to 90 seconds to switch over to gas.

When the engine temperature reaches 30 degrees it switches over automatically.

I'm wondering if this is the ideal temp or would making it 40 degrees lube the valves with oil a while longer before switching to gas.

I didn't get flashlube although this can be installed after the fact. as long as the engine oil gets changed regularly as well as the oil filter, air filter then flashlube isn't essential. but i'm sure others will differ.

2 filters (liquid/gas) need to be changed every 10k km.

daRobot

who_ru wrote: »

So got the car back from the lads and so far so good.

I got the 82 litre tank installed, the lads actually have pictures up on their website already, it's the 2009 mazda 6.

engine sounds pretty much the same as it always did. when starting the engine from cold it takes about 60 to 90 seconds to switch over to gas.

When the engine temperature reaches 30 degrees it switches over automatically.

I'm wondering if this is the ideal temp or would making it 40 degrees lube the valves with oil a while longer before switching to gas.

I didn't get flashlube although this can be installed after the fact. as long as the engine oil gets changed regularly as well as the oil filter, air filter then flashlube isn't essential. but i'm sure others will differ.

2 filters (liquid/gas) need to be changed every 10k km.

Good stuff, all the best with it

sorel

who_ru wrote: »

So got the car back from the lads and so far so good.

I got the 82 litre tank installed, the lads actually have pictures up on their website already, it's the 2009 mazda 6.

engine sounds pretty much the same as it always did. when starting the engine from cold it takes about 60 to 90 seconds to switch over to gas.

When the engine temperature reaches 30 degrees it switches over automatically.

I'm wondering if this is the ideal temp or would making it 40 degrees lube the valves with oil a while longer before switching to gas.

I didn't get flashlube although this can be installed after the fact. as long as the engine oil gets changed regularly as well as the oil filter, air filter then flashlube isn't essential. but i'm sure others will differ.

2 filters (liquid/gas) need to be changed every 10k km.

I'm wondering if your car is already after first service ? Did you decide to instal lube and what's the LPG consumption

who_ru

sorel wrote: »

I'm wondering if your car is already after first service ? Did you decide to instal lube and what's the LPG consumption

i haven't had a first service yet. the first tank was not straightforward.

the gauge in the car was showing the tank empty although it was full. this happened because the level transmitter in the tank was stuck and couldn't read the volume correctly.

The guys said they were aware of this once they filled it but the tank would need to be emptied before they could fix it. so i took it back to them last tuesday when it was empty, they fixed the problem and gave me a 2nd tank of gas free!!:) Good customer service there.

the 82 litre tank should hold approx 69 litres of gas but the first fill up went over that level because the level transmitter issue. I got approx 650km from the first tank of gas which was probably more than 69 litres but i don't know how much more. so maybe 9.4km per litre. about 80% urban driving.

I didn't get flashlube installed.

mullingar

who_ru wrote: »

i haven't had a first service yet. the first tank was not straightforward.

the gauge in the car was showing the tank empty although it was full. this happened because the level transmitter in the tank was stuck and couldn't read the volume correctly.

The guys said they were aware of this once they filled it but the tank would need to be emptied before they could fix it. so i took it back to them last tuesday when it was empty, they fixed the problem and gave me a 2nd tank of gas free!!:) Good customer service there.

the 82 litre tank should hold approx 69 litres of gas but the first fill up went over that level because the level transmitter issue. I got approx 650km from the first tank of gas which was probably more than 69 litres but i don't know how much more. so maybe 9.4km per litre. about 80% urban driving.

I didn't get flashlube installed.

Its very difficult to put more gas into the tank to go past the 80% fill limit, at most you might get 85% before the automatic seal blocks and more gas going into it (similar design to filling a toilet cistern!) or it is a very cold day.

650km per 69 lites is 9.4l/100km, or in old money exactly 30mpg. That is very good for a 1.8 for mostly urban driving

I saw LPG for 77.9 in Germany yesterday.

What is it in Ireland still .80+ ?

sorel

who_ru wrote: »

i haven't had a first service yet. the first tank was not straightforward.

the gauge in the car was showing the tank empty although it was full. this happened because the level transmitter in the tank was stuck and couldn't read the volume correctly.

The guys said they were aware of this once they filled it but the tank would need to be emptied before they could fix it. so i took it back to them last tuesday when it was empty, they fixed the problem and gave me a 2nd tank of gas free!!:) Good customer service there.

the 82 litre tank should hold approx 69 litres of gas but the first fill up went over that level because the level transmitter issue. I got approx 650km from the first tank of gas which was probably more than 69 litres but i don't know how much more. so maybe 9.4km per litre. about 80% urban driving.

I didn't get flashlube installed.

consumption looks perfect. 2nd free fill also sounds good / another 650km free??? /- i think it wasn't their fault.
Today I was trying to fill in Palmerstown - ap service. There is huge banner "autogas and conversion centre" since last November, but never gas. Owner always tells different story.No licence, broken dispenser, broken pump, come back tomorrow etc. Last time he said "don't go to Finglas or Tallaght- they have bad gas"... The gay in Palmerstown has also pump of Flogas-can't understand

who_ru

sorel wrote: »

consumption looks perfect. 2nd free fill also sounds good / another 650km free??? /- i think it wasn't their fault.
Today I was trying to fill in Palmerstown - ap service. There is huge banner "autogas and conversion centre" since last November, but never gas. Owner always tells different story.No licence, broken dispenser, broken pump, come back tomorrow etc. Last time he said "don't go to Finglas or Tallaght- they have bad gas"... The gay in Palmerstown has also pump of Flogas-can't understand

i've heard some stories about those guys in palmerstown and none of them good. Best avoided if possible.

There is a place near Lucan also doing LPG conversion and selling LPG.

http://www.motorrepairs.ie/westdublinservice/services.html

I rang them 2 or 3 weeks ago and they said they were getting the license to sell LPG and would have it installed soon.

maybe you can ring and find out, i haven't spoken to them since then but they look professional.

sorel

who_ru wrote: »

i've heard some stories about those guys in palmerstown and none of them good. Best avoided if possible.

There is a place near Lucan also doing LPG conversion and selling LPG.

http://www.motorrepairs.ie/westdublinservice/services.html

I rang them 2 or 3 weeks ago and they said they were getting the license to sell LPG and would have it installed soon.

maybe you can ring and find out, i haven't spoken to them since then but they look professional.

Look professional?. Did you ask how many cars they converted?.

who_ru

sorel wrote: »

Look professional?. Did you ask how many cars they converted?.

No. I'm only interested in whether or not they sell lpg. Do your own research.

bill05

Hello guys I am thinking of converting my car to LPG. I am from outside Europe and has about 80% petrol cars on LPG/CNG

I'd share some of experience related with lpg with you guys

1) A Liter of LPG give you more mileage compared with petrol . 50% More. ie 150Miles/10L Lpg vs 100M/10L petrol.

2) about 35-40% are Toyota cars. No flashlube needed.

3) LPG kits quite often need periodical re calibration. Hope this is not the case here with the kits in Ireland.If any one can answer this for me.

4) there is slight performance loss when on lpg.

5)Can be adjusted or tuned to different level i.e performance or economy ? Is it the same in Ireland

but once you convert to LPG you will never think even for one second going back to petrol.it cost 30c/L LPG. 80c/L Petrol its a no brainer !

mullingar

bill05 wrote: »

1) A Liter of LPG give you more mileage compared with petrol . 50% More. ie 150Miles/10L Lpg vs 100M/10L petrol.

Absolute crap.

LPG has approx 25% LESS energy than petrol, there is no way that can be correct, installed correctly you should see a 10-15% increase in consumption.

3) LPG kits quite often need periodical re calibration. Hope this is not the case here with the kits in Ireland.If any one can answer this for me.

Most newer computerised systems dont need routine calibration as they are connected to the cars oxygen sensors and the main engines ECU

galwaytt

bill05 wrote: »

Hello guys I am thinking of converting my car to LPG. I am from outside Europe and has about 80% petrol cars on LPG/CNG

I'd share some of experience related with lpg with you guys

1) A Liter of LPG give you more mileage compared with petrol . 50% More. ie 150Miles/10L Lpg vs 100M/10L petrol.

2) about 35-40% are Toyota cars. No flashlube needed.

3) LPG kits quite often need periodical re calibration. Hope this is not the case here with the kits in Ireland.If any one can answer this for me.

4) there is slight performance loss when on lpg.

5)Can be adjusted or tuned to different level i.e performance or economy ? Is it the same in Ireland

but once you convert to LPG you will never think even for one second going back to petrol.it cost 30c/L LPG. 80c/L Petrol its a no brainer !

1. Wrong
2. Irrelevant
3. No
4. Not always
5. News to me

And as for your last paragraph - what planet are those prices from ? LPG is €79 - €1.14/ litre depending on where you buy it, and petrol is €1.56 - €1.65/litre depending on where you buy.

Oh, and CNG is NOT the same as LPG.

I mean, really........... :rolleyes:

jca

bill05 wrote: »

Hello guys I am thinking of converting my car to LPG. I am from outside Europe and has about 80% petrol cars on LPG/CNG

I'd share some of experience related with lpg with you guys

1) A Liter of LPG give you more mileage compared with petrol . 50% More. ie 150Miles/10L Lpg vs 100M/10L petrol.

2) about 35-40% are Toyota cars. No flashlube needed.

3) LPG kits quite often need periodical re calibration. Hope this is not the case here with the kits in Ireland.If any one can answer this for me.

4) there is slight performance loss when on lpg.

5)Can be adjusted or tuned to different level i.e performance or economy ? Is it the same in Ireland

but once you convert to LPG you will never think even for one second going back to petrol.it cost 30c/L LPG. 80c/L Petrol its a no brainer !

I thought this was a wind up!!

sorel

mullingar wrote: »

Absolute crap.

LPG has approx 25% LESS energy than petrol, there is no way that can be correct, installed correctly you should see a 10-15% increase in consumption.


Most newer computerised systems dont need routine calibration as they are connected to the cars oxygen sensors and the main engines ECU

5th generation LPG system with liquid injection of LPG gives more power than petrol.

bill05

mullingar wrote: »

Absolute crap.

LPG has approx 25% LESS energy than petrol, there is no way that can be correct, installed correctly you should see a 10-15% increase in consumption.


Most newer computerised systems dont need routine calibration as they are connected to the cars oxygen sensors and the main engines ECU

Apologies I mixed up CNG with LPG.
Every thing that I described Related to CNG not LPG. Apologies !

sorel

they have a really nice promotion www.autogasdublin.ie

mullingar

@sorel.

Do you have any direct affiliation with lpgain? You are constantly promoting it and that may be against the forum rules, a mod can advise you.

sorel

mullingar wrote: »

@sorel.

Do you have any direct affiliation with lpgain? You are constantly promoting it and that may be against the forum rules, a mod can advise you.

i'm LPG fan and when i see good prices i always try to inform

Mylow

sorel wrote: »

they have a really nice promotion www.autogasdublin.ie

Looks like the site has been hacked...attempted connection to some Brazilian phishing site

Matt Simis

sorel wrote: »

5th generation LPG system with liquid injection of LPG gives more power than petrol.

The statement is about energy content, not power. The LPG installers I spoke to position LPG Liquid injection as a failed and largely unsuitable (to most cars) alternative to regular LPG, not a new generation of LPG injection. Also even the proponents of LPG LI suggest parity with petrol, not more energy:

Liquid Injection is far superior to vaporiser or gas injection systems. The liquid injection kit is from 5% to 20% better. Distance travelled on LPG per litre of fuel, can equal petrol systems. A thermal efficiency figure of 40.23% has been achieved, equalling petrol.

http://www.lpgli.com/features.html

When driving, you will notice that:
there is no discernible difference between driving using petrol or LPG
there is no loss of power
the acceleration capacity is no different with LPG than with petrol
no extra maintenance or adjustment is necessary, so you can keep to the original service intervals

http://www.vialle.nl/home.html?L=1

I think it sounds good though, but doesnt seem to have much traction in the market and its been out years.

bill05 wrote: »

Apologies I mixed up CNG with LPG.
Every thing that I described Related to CNG not LPG. Apologies !

No it doesnt, CNG contains far LESS energy potiential than LPG:

Energy Produced
LPG, vaporized and at atmospheric pressure, has a higher calorific value (94 MJ/m3 or 26.1kWh/m3) than natural gas (38 MJ/m3 or 10.6 kWh/m3). This LPG produces more energy than the equivalent amount of natural gas.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/CNG_vs_LPG#CNG_3

You also need masssssssive tanks to hold CNG due to its volume and compression needs. Its pants outside of Buses and trucks and even then, takes up cargo space.

sorel

Good news. Guys in Tallaght sell lpg 0.76 per liter now.

Excellent ! hope some competition drops it more !

mullingar

There is a price war starting out there.

My nearest petrol station sells lpg. 6 months ago it was 109.9, 4 months ago 99.9, last month 88.9 and when I spoke to the owner of the station last weekend he said that it will be dropping to 79.9c within a few weeks.

galwaytt

Fwiw, and sorry for the mini-hijack, but the Saab I've mentioned above a few times is now for sale. The gas kit alone is worth the price of the car, let alone the mint cond car it's fitted to ! Saab 9-5 3.0t Tiptronic - heck , you could pull the kit out of it and sell it and the car would be free!

ffocused

galwaytt wrote: »

Fwiw, and sorry for the mini-hijack, but the Saab I've mentioned above a few times is now for sale. The gas kit alone is worth the price of the car, let alone the mint cond car it's fitted to ! Saab 9-5 3.0t Tiptronic - heck , you could pull the kit out of it and sell it and the car would be free!

What km/l is it doing on lpg? i am actually looking for the newer 95 to convert myself, but at that price, i may be interested.

daRobot

Just thought I'd give a quick update.

Almost a year later, and a good few thousand miles, my conversion has been a resounding success. It's not missed a beat once, and has been nearly as efficient as running on petrol (maybe 10% less so).

Getting an effective 30 mpg in town, and 55 mpg on Motorway.

Got my car serviced recently, and the mechanic commented on how clean the old oil was. Can only be a good thing.

Getting the LPG service done in a few weeks, with LPgain.

Sub 80c fuel is the business