Kerry CC support permit system which allows rural people drink and drive

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Canis Lupus wrote: »

No because the people he's referring to would ask why are they selling heads in a shop and wouldn't know who Joe is. You're still applying Dublin logic to a rural issue

Oh, they know who Joe is, beleive me.

I understand fully that drink driving is bad and this idea from HR is stupid but the simple fact is it's done out in the sticks. I appreciate people from the big city might not understand what it's like to have tiny roads with no lighting that can wind for miles without passing a house or places with no easy/cheap access to taxis or a bus service that comes along every ten minutes etc but it exists as do the lads that go to the local have a few drinks and potter home at 20mph. I know in my local if someone has had too much he'll get a lift home and won't be allowed to drive but as a rule they know what's what themselves.

I've never seen the harm in it and as already said the gardai know bloody well it goes on. They poke their heads out once or twice a year to let people know they exist but by and large they let it go on. There's no solution to this. The local pub is the social hub for farmers.

Not saying it isn't - everyone breaks some law at some point. And the problem is there, granted, but legalising it simply isn't the solution and demanding that the law be changed simply to suit oneself is arrogant.

BrensBenz

I think, rather than an initiative by KCC, this is their attempt to formalise the current "stroke" by which all / most / many drunks continue to drive because "shure, Yur Onnor, Oi was only goin up de road an de Gards know me an evrybody knows Oi only have a few poynts an shure God help me Oi'd be feersh lonely if Oi can't have me few jars ova neevnin'."

Rant.....sorry but......three of my wife's cousins and their friend killed by a drunk driver who didn't even stop!

Oh, and it's not fair to blame morons for being morons. Ask WHO put them in roles of responsibility.

Old_-_School

listermint wrote: »

Old_-_School wrote: »

No, but most of those who voted for them are still alive and still part of the electorate.
To switch to incumbent politicians so:
The stupidity of Tipperary people to vote for Michael Lowry.
The stupidity of Limerick people to vote for Willie O'Dea.

Whats this debate about. As soon as the electorate find out about these people they get ousted.

Doesnt appear to happen in local parishes but thats for another debate which you may want to start a thread on.

What do you mean? They both topped the poll in their first election after their indiscretions came to light.
Bertie's financial indiscretions had also been well highlighted before he also topped the poll.

My point was in relation to a previous post where it was said that Kerry people were stupid because they voted these morons into power, while the same could be said about Dublin, Cork, Tipperary, Limerick, etc. electorates who have also voted in morons/crooks.

MJ23

The Healy-Rae gobsh!tes again. They are an embarrassment.

crockholm

efb wrote: »

Kerry- the place they shake hands with convicted sex offenders

pretty sure that's not the official slogan
looking forward to some juicy offaly related stories:D

efb

crockholm wrote: »

pretty sure that's not the official slogan
looking forward to some juicy offaly related stories:D

I'm sure there's thickos in Offaly too- no mention of passing drink driving motions or shaking hands with sex offenders

Cienciano

efb wrote: »

I lived in rural Ireland 7 miles to town.

Taxis are available. People to scabby to use them and publicans want the money spent in their pub.

I'd fully believe it, I head over to the west fishing for a week in summer and a week in winter, very small town, but has a taxi service. But the town is wedged with cars on a friday, saturday and sunday night. More cars than during the day. And it's not because the taxi driver is to busy, I never had to wait for more than 10 minutes to get into town, or 30 minutes to get home.

Some people are making the excuse that people drive down small boreens. Boreens aren't the only roads in rural ireland.
Also, gardai know it's going on and do nothing about it. That's because a garda that pushes heroin on schoolkids would probably be thought of higher than one that has a drink driving checkpoint set up outside the town every friday and saturday night.

Aidric

A number of the councillors who passed the motion are publicans, but Mr Healy-Rae denied that the councillors' professions influenced the vote.

Sure it didn't. This is the nub of the matter.

I am both angry and embarrassed by this decision. It is a short sighted motion to dig out the poor mouth publicans in rural Kerry. I suppose its no coincidence it comes at the same time as the phasing out of rural garda stations.

snickerpuss

I was on holiday in Kerry last Summer and coming around a country road when I saw a woman standing next to her car which had been scraped all down one side. She said that a local guy had driven into the side of her car, in which she had two disabled children no less.

She said he was drunk and that this wasn't the first time he had crashed into someone while drink driving but that nothing was ever done about it because his brother was a garda. I was shocked, surely it's only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or killed by him? It was only 4pm. How long can a blind eye be turned?!

Kerrydude1981

Aidric wrote: »

Sure it didn't. This is the nub of the matter.

I am both angry and embarrassed by this decision. It is a short sighted motion to dig out the poor mouth publicans in rural Kerry. I suppose its no coincidence it comes at the same time as the phasing out of rural garda stations.

Thats what the Councillors should be more worried about and be doing there best to stop the rural Garda stations closing instead of wasting their time voting on these half arsed motions by gombeen men.

enda1

Could the council have the power to overturn state criminal legislation locally? Sounds peculiar.

crockholm

efb wrote: »

I'm sure there's thickos in Offaly too- no mention of passing drink driving motions or shaking hands with sex offenders

a motion that will be quashed and a rapist who was convicted.Jimbus chrimbus, do people in Ireland really believe that artificial boundaries planned for easy governance by english surveyors 400 years ago have any bearing on this? that people on one bank of the blackwater are different from those 15 feet away on the other side?maybe the 1 degree latitude difference puts them with sub-saharan africa and the good offaly folk in with the scandanavians.

AnonoBoy

snickerpuss wrote: »

How long can a blind eye be turned?!

Well they're dealing with the situation now aren't they?

Giving them permits will mean an end to illegal drink-driving! Yay!

No more worries about being prosecuted for being over the limit!

That'll sort everything out.

And the deaths that it'll cause? Ah sure, we all have to die sometime and something something about I know a guy that's actually better at driving when he's drunk than when he's sober so y'know, there's that as well and like, I'm friends with publicans so I'm going to listen to them above anybody who's actually talking sense and who has the welfare of others at heart. Sure isn't that how politics has worked for generations and the country's doing grand, isn't it? Sure we'll be grand like, what are you making a fuss for like some sort of woman? Jaysus - women, wha? Am I right? Wha? HAH!??? AM I RIGHT? SURE WHO ARE WE HARMING? NOBODY THAT'S WHO. WHA? WHA? WHA? WHA?




And so ends the part political broadcast on behalf of the F*cking Moron Party.

Thank you and goodnight.

Lollipops23

God this infuriates me so much- the law is there for a reason.

It's like me bitching and moaning that not being allowed pickpocket curtails my social life... if people in rural or isolated areas are that desperate for social interaction (which is completely understandable) then they can go to the pub and have a soft drink.

People give out about younger generations having a sense of entitlement, but this is the worst I've seen. Nobody is entitled to drive drunk.

Balmed Out

Cienciano wrote: »

That's because a garda that pushes heroin on schoolkids would probably be thought of higher than one that has a drink driving checkpoint set up outside the town every friday and saturday night.

The checkpoints dont really work. Once one is set up the local pubs will be phoned by the first person to see it and all are warned. A lot of rural areas have a dozen ways of going from A to B and everyone can just go home a different route.

who the fug

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I lived relatively near to my local town with the only nightclub in the area. That was 12 miles. You find me a taxi that can offer an affordable rate to run a person out 12 miles+ and then return for another fare AND make a living when the only proper business will be on the Saturday night.....

Jeez, I remember when I was young. Waiting around for hours after a club trying to get a taxi/lift home... Not fun although got a few shifts so maybe it wasn't that bad.

12 miles, bugger all sympathy, walk it and you would be home in three hours

Grew up in a rural area and by the time I had left people were **** scared of losing their license.

Day of a brick under the accelerator and traipse home at 20 mile an hour were well over, people took it turn and turn about each weekend to do the driving.

Chorcai

I don't know what to say really, what planet are these guys on ?

tritium

I see the obnoxious pr1ck tried to justify it by linking it to the issue of suicide seriously, does the asshole actually know anything about the statistics on suicide and the sections of society most affected by it?

omega666

tritium wrote: »

I see the obnoxious pr1ck tried to justify it by linking it to the issue of suicide seriously, does the asshole actually know anything about the statistics on suicide and the sections of society most affected by it?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/drink-driving-laws-increase-suicides-179244.html

greenpilot

Maybe its time to blow up all the Bridges across the Shannon and let them off...

enda1

greenpilot wrote: »

Maybe its time to blow up all the Bridges across the Shannon and let them off...

Kerry's South of the Shannon, not West...

Solair

The Kerry County Council chamber was also relatively empty that day, possibly due to the really serious problems they had with heavy snow in the more sensible parts of the county!

greenpilot

enda1 wrote: »

Kerry's South of the Shannon, not West...

That's my point, I live in Mayo...not all posters here are Dubs, you know.

seamus

omega666 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/drink-driving-laws-increase-suicides-179244.html

What's so awful about living Kerry that a chunk of its inhabitants seem to believe that life is only worth living if you can drive to the pub and have a few pints?

If socialising is the aim, then what's wrong with Jack dropping around to Billy's house, sharing a bottle of whiskey and then Jack curls up on the couch and goes home in the morning?

This drink-driving thing is a red herring. It seems to me that it's being used as a mask to cover up a rampant problem with alcoholism in rural Kerry.

enda1

greenpilot wrote: »

That's my point, I live in Mayo...not all posters here are Dubs, you know.

Ah yeah Mayo, such a forward and progressive place. So you want Mayo and the rest of Connaught to fight for itself economically too?

I'd give ye a week before you start eating your first born.

Ha!

Solair

It's a bit of a non-story anyway.

1) Kerry County Council has absolutely no jurisdiction over drink driving laws.
2) The Government's mostly just getting a good giggle out of this.
3) Nothing will happen other than yer man gets loads of air time...

greenpilot

enda1 wrote: »

Ah yeah Mayo, such a forward and progressive place. So you want Mayo and the rest of Connaught to fight for itself economically too?

I'd give ye a week before you start eating your first born.

Ha!

....Judging by your username, your mother is having the last here....Ha..

Cienciano

tritium wrote: »

I see the obnoxious pr1ck tried to justify it by linking it to the issue of suicide seriously, does the asshole actually know anything about the statistics on suicide and the sections of society most affected by it?

Alcohol is the problem. If he's linking it to suicide he's saying people would rather sit at home and kill themselves rather than drive to the pub and drink an non alcoholic drink.

enda1

greenpilot wrote: »

....Judging by your username, your mother is having the last here....Ha..

Imagine, more than one person called Enda in the world!!

And I'm the second born:P

Sofiztikated

dorgasm wrote: »

As stated by a few already in the thread, this is nothing to do with old people not wanting to pay for a taxi. It's a self-serving proposal from a politician publican (very loose use of that word) who just so happens to be a rural publican politician.

FYP

Solair wrote: »

It's a bit of a non-story anyway.

1) Kerry County Council has absolutely no jurisdiction over drink driving laws.
2) The Government's mostly just getting a good giggle out of this.
3) Nothing will happen other than yer man gets loads of air time...

He's doing it to win the vote of the Kerry people. "Shure, Isn't he fighting for us" stuff.

I would love to see this followed up on. A stupid suggestion like this should suggest that he isn't fit for the position that he is in. This shouldn't even be left up to the public to vote on, his superior (we all report to someone) should pull him, and say, "here, Danny, p45 is on your bar counter, g'way and pick it up."