Bulletproof Coffee

briano.de.rhino

Hi guys,

just wondering if its possible to get wet beans in Dublin? Been reading up about bulletproof coffee and getting coffee beans free of mold and mycotoxins. Beans from high altitude such as central america and single origin, not blends.

Im not sold on the soundness of the concept but its intriguing.

llatsni

Bulletproof have brazenly re-packaged the processes by which all coffee is produced ... in 100% bullsh*t (tm) ... clearly preferring one main processing method over another.

In general there is washed and natural coffee. With washed, the fruit is removed from the bean and the bean is washed, then dried. With natural processing, they leave the fruit on during the drying process. Both have their place, either can produce excellent *tasting* coffee; which is the primary reason to drink it in my book.

Wiki is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_processing

briano.de.rhino

Thanks.

The bulletproof(Dave Asprey) claim is that mold/mycotoxins develop on most coffee beans especially when they are left in the sun to dry. And that over time the toxins are bad for you and in the immediate term they taste worse and cause headaches/lack of sleep etc compared to a quality mold free coffee.

Its probably similar to , say, whiskeys - buying a tesco whiskey blend for 14 quid versus a single malt of the finest ingrredients for 100.

Gran Hermano

Based on the temperatures involved in roasting I am not worried about perceived mould/toxins on the greens.

briano.de.rhino

True.

SeaSide

For my own information. I thought the pork scare a couple of years ago was about toxins entering the food chain from the use of some dodgy fuel to dry the feed. So just trying to square the burning of a fuel causing vs the roasting eliminating toxins. Does the question make sense?

briano.de.rhino

I have no idea what you mean.

btw Im on day 3 of butter coffee experiment. Tastes quite nice. MCT oil is not disagreeing with me at all, Id heard it rips other peoples stomachs apart. I use 30ml mct and a big teaspoon of unsalted grassfed butter. Will let you know after 30 days how it went.

OldBean

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Based on the temperatures involved in roasting I am not worried about perceived mould/toxins on the greens.

Until you get a bag with potato defect, and though it'll do you no harm, all you can smell is spud.

Gran Hermano

Can't say i see sticking a knob of dairygold in every espresso a better alternative.

briano.de.rhino

Im kinda confused on the reasoning behind the butter but I think its that your body gets the fat to burn for energy and thinks its had a meal. But a meal without the fibre and other stuff. Then the mct oil is meant to be carbs for energy except they bypass the lymph system or the usual process for energy and are turned immediately into energy to be burned.

Anyway, day 4 - the oily buttery coffee has a unique texture, Ill say that. I quite like it.

Frank Bullitt

Day 2 of this myself, really enjoying it, amazing texture to it.

Great burst of energy as well and no crash. I am using an organic coffee but will keep my eye out for a better coffee if I can come across one. I might actually try his brand.

briano.de.rhino

I did it for most of the past few weeks.cnat say i noticed much difference but I did have energy all morning.....in that I never noticed tiredness whereas usually I would....no magical bursts of energy though.

I add manuka honey to it too and burst it all with my new food processor.

One word of caution. I used 10ml of mct oil in the beginning and felt grand but then on day 4 I think I took 30-50 ml in the coffee and for about 24 hrs I was getting stomach cramps off and on. I dislike the oily texture and taste from the MCT oil now though. Maybe its my brand? I got it in a Polish sports nutrition shop in Bray.its a Polish brand. Dont know if theres any difference between brands though.

I still feel like my stomach is empty in the mornings ....except i have energy.Quite weird.

Frank Bullitt

I had the same feeling, although I didn't use MCT oil, I do have very good coconut oil that I can use, unflavored as well.

Have't done it the past 2 days and the bloated/cramps have gone. I will say that I felt great after it, and it was only yesterday that the cramps and bloatedness came on.

llatsni

This thread is positively surreal.

Frank Bullitt

llatsni wrote: »

This thread is positively surreal.

Haha, how so?

llatsni

Historically there were two kinds of coffee drinkers: those who drank to keep awake in work, or those who drank for the taste.

This new third subspecies - those who drink to get ripped pectoral muscles and killer abs - I find absolutely brilliantly bizarre.

Frank Bullitt

If you taste it thought, you will be converted.

briano.de.rhino

If Im being honest - Im starting to miss the regular black coffee taste. was never a fan of coffee made with dairy products. The butter acts in the same way as milk or cream and turns it into a foamy brown drink. Maybe I will just drink it straight black again and rub the MCT oil and butter all over my new ripped abs and pectoral muscles. Yes thats a good plan.

Gran Hermano

I hear George Clooney is holding out for Nespresso pods containing de-caf and butter.

Jezek

Gintonious wrote: »

If you taste it thought, you will be converted.

I doubt people who don't even take milk in their coffee ( most coffee snobs,me included ) will be 'converted' to some BS health pseudo-babble by a sh!ton of butter as well as a mysterious 'oil' added to their brew.

Frank Bullitt

Jezek wrote: »

I doubt people who don't even take milk in their coffee ( most coffee snobs,me included ) will be 'converted' to some BS health pseudo-babble by a sh!ton of butter as well as a mysterious 'oil' added to their brew.

Calm the jets there, the "mysterious" oil is basically coconut oil, proven to be one of the best things to take. If you can call it bull**** and provide evidence then please do.

briano.de.rhino

calm the jets indeed. It has been an interesting experiment and Im glad I did it.
I think the science behind mct oil is sound as far as I can tell. Its a refined version of coconut oil with about 6 times the amount of medium chain triglycerides as coconut or palm oil. Its basically extra carbs in a way.
Though, as for dave asprey, the bulletproof exec, who coined the term bulletproof coffee, well I have my doubts. I think hes trying to make a buck, but who isnt....also, he doesnt need to as hes a multi-millionaire, but I still have my doubts.

siochain

For a while now I've being having ground fresh coffee and 15ml of coconut oil in the mornings before training and all I can say is its rocket fuel.

briano.de.rhino

siochain wrote: »

For a while now I've being having ground fresh coffee and 15ml of coconut oil in the mornings before training and all I can say is its rocket fuel.

Is that virgin or refined coconut oil? If virgin, whats the flavour like in the coffee?

On a side-note, my daughter had weird dry skin on 2 of her toes and applying virgin coconut oil over the course of about 3 days cleared it right up. Currently, trying it on my dry skin on my hand that Ive had for about 10 yrs. See thats how I roll. I experiment on my kids first.

Frank Bullitt

I would have my reservations about stuff that Asprey claims, although as you said, he is already quite wealthy, and he does all of the bulletproof stuff for free, he employs 7 people now to run it.

There is some science that has backed up the high fat diets, and they are now catching on more as the fad diets of low fat etc are now being proved wrong and obsolete.

A pinch of salt is needed with him. (not the coffee)

briano.de.rhino

•I tried salted butter and it wasnt too bad.
•Do you happen to have any links to papers etc on high-fat diets. Just out of curiosity. Ive been paleo 5 months. but everyone can find supporting evidence on the net to support whatever diet they choose. Id like to take look at real papers as opposed to blogs like Dave Aspreys or marksdailyapple.etc
•I dont think Asprey does it for free, he charges quite a lot for his 'upgraded' coffee and mct oil. And I heard Robb Wolf point out that he couldnt see where Asprey provides any evidence for any of his claims on his site.

Frank Bullitt

briano.de.rhino wrote: »

•I tried salted butter and it wasnt too bad.
•Do you happen to have any links to papers etc on high-fat diets. Just out of curiosity. Ive been paleo 5 months. but everyone can find supporting evidence on the net to support whatever diet they choose. Id like to take look at real papers as opposed to blogs like Dave Aspreys or marksdailyapple.etc
•I dont think Asprey does it for free, he charges quite a lot for his 'upgraded' coffee and mct oil. And I heard Robb Wolf point out that he couldnt see where Asprey provides any evidence for any of his claims on his site.

Well when I said for free, I meant the running of it, his products will obviously have a price attached to them, he isn't that rich!

For the high fat diet, ill try route out some stuff, I happen to go to a nutritionist that I trust, have gotten great results from him. He might not advocate high fats but he does recommend eating them, so in other words the rim of fat on your steak should be eaten, he also told me if I use a George Foreman grill, that I should pour the fat back over my meat, I will ask him, and Ill try route out some stuff now myself.

EDIT* Here is a quick article on saturated fats in our diet and their benefits. Its quite long actually but it gives a decent insight, although as with everything I'm sure someone could come along and completely debunk that paper.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller33.1.html

siochain

briano.de.rhino wrote: »

Is that virgin or refined coconut oil? If virgin, whats the flavour like in the coffee?

Using the unrefined stuff, tastes grand.

Parsley

llatsni wrote: »

Historically there were two kinds of coffee drinkers: those who drank to keep awake in work, or those who drank for the taste.

This new third subspecies - those who drink to get ripped pectoral muscles and killer abs - I find absolutely brilliantly bizarre.

caffeine has been sold in fitness supplements for a long time - it raises metabolic rate and helps burn fat. drinking coffee has the same effect. so it might sound bizarre but in the fitness world caffeine is just another supplement :P

donnacha

Mods - may I suggest moving this to the "Nutrition & Diet" forums?

Gran Hermano

Was thinking myself it was more suited to Nutrition & Diet.
Focus is on coffee as a supplement as opposed to enjoying it.

Regards,

GH.

folamh

I'm not doing a bulletproof protocol but when I'm drinking coffee or green tea, I add a tsp of coconut oil. I'm thinking of switching to MCT oil as I've heard that in a pure form the triglycerides have a better effect on the body. I'm not sure, though... Coconut oil seems quite natural but I don't know how MCT oil is processed and whether it makes evolutionary sense for humans to consume that much of it. In any case, where can I get some in Dublin?

briano.de.rhino

My nerves have been at me lately so Ive stopped the bulletproof coffee. I ended up with butter, virgin coconut oil and mct oil and manuka honey in it each morning.

Im now experimenting with the opposite - no tea or coffee/caffeine at all to see if it was this tanked up coffee that was the problem.

You can get mct oil in sports nutrition shops I believe. I got mine from castle street in Bray, some Polish sports nutrition shop I believe. €12.same price online I think.

Dutchy

Had a bullet proof coffee this morning. A good lump of, salt free, real butter along with an even bigger lump of coconut oil. Really tasty stuff and I was, literally, flying after it. Needless to say It's the same again tomorrow morn.

One question - is this gonna put the cholestrol levels through the roof? Mine is high as it is so don't want to compromise anything. I'm a believer that being diagnosed with high cholestrol is b.s. (bar bad cholestrol) but as butter is from an animal just want to make sure I'm not going to be crippled over in a few months drinking this every morning ?

siochain

Have your levels tested its the only sure way to know, either way its not high cholesterol on its own that causes us problems its the combination of inflammation or damaged arteries with cholesterol that problems start.

onlyup

Dutchy wrote: »

Had a bullet proof coffee this morning. A good lump of, salt free, real butter along with an even bigger lump of coconut oil. Really tasty stuff and I was, literally, flying after it. Needless to say It's the same again tomorrow morn.

One question - is this gonna put the cholestrol levels through the roof? Mine is high as it is so don't want to compromise anything. I'm a believer that being diagnosed with high cholestrol is b.s. (bar bad cholestrol) but as butter is from an animal just want to make sure I'm not going to be crippled over in a few months drinking this every morning ?

what coffee did you use?

Dutchy

onlyup wrote: »

what coffee did you use?

Amazon search suna fair trade organic Honduras coffee beans.

Anthropology

Well to answer the initial question:
Its rare to find wet processed coffee beans...I've even spoken to guy at 3TF (https://twitter.com/3fe) and they thought I was a little crazy asking for high altitude, single source, wet processed only coffee beans.

I did find a UK source:
http://ravecoffee.co.uk/shop/single-origin-coffee/Huehuetenango
http://ravecoffee.co.uk/shop/single-origin-coffee/Cerro-de-Ataco-Jasal
'Sun-dried' and 'Patio dried' do not sound ideal but its quite close to key reducers of mycotoxins.

You can get the Dave Asprey's coffee from: http://www.xbrain.co.uk/bulletproof-upgraded-coffee-p-238-c-180.aspx it's not nicely priced and hopefully when they have 5lbs bags it will be more viable.

'Bulletproof Coffee' is legit. Consuming high(er) fat is an ideal way to live. When your body fuels from mostly fat you age slower than the inefficient sugar metabolism model most people are on. Medium Chain Triglycerides are converted into ketone bodies in the liver (stomach/intestines direct to liver via lymph system) which can be used as a fuel source by the body (and brain).

The combination of high grade coffee, grassfed butter (CLA, Saturated fat + butyrate acid) and MCT create a slow digesting combination of nutrients that give you a wallop of awesome.

It's true about the fat intake to begin with, you'll have to taper up slowly to get your body to adapt.

Coconut oil is ~50-75% MCT it's not the same as 100% MCT and not near 100% caprylic acid (the MCT that is responsible for major cognitive boost).

I would like to know where @briano.de.rhino got MCT Oil for €12!

MCT on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006B7O3GS?ie=UTF8&camp=3194&creative=21330&creativeASIN=B006B7O3GS&linkCode=shr&tag=evolvunive-21&colid=3JDXMNFGK5BAM&coliid=I1AO9PLBPGKKY5
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007BNAQY4?ie=UTF8&camp=3194&creative=21330&creativeASIN=B007BNAQY4&linkCode=shr&tag=evolvunive-21&colid=3JDXMNFGK5BAM&coliid=I136UB2ZS5SQA1

I would only worry about cholesterol if you were eating a lot of carbs and/or fructose.

Mr. CooL ICE

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are the grassfed butter brands? Or being in Ireland, is it safe to assume that all homegrown brands are grassfed?

I haven't seen any info about the feeding methods on butter packaging, and any google results I've found have been petty organic vs non-organic arguments.

Danny_Lennon

LordChessington wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are the grassfed butter brands? Or being in Ireland, is it safe to assume that all homegrown brands are grassfed?

I haven't seen any info about the feeding methods on butter packaging, and any google results I've found have been petty organic vs non-organic arguments.

Yeah all real Irish butter is "grass-fed". In the States, Kerrygold is a big seller for this reason.

Kerrygold, Avonmore, and even all the store brands are all perfect, as long as it's real, full-fat butter.

Anthropology

Most butter in Ireland is predominately 'grass fed' but there would be periods of grain feeding 10-15% during winter.

http://kerrygoldusa.com/faq/#qa34

Danny_Lennon

Anthropology wrote: »

Most butter in Ireland is predominately 'grass fed' but there would be periods of grain feeding 10-15% during winter.

http://kerrygoldusa.com/faq/#qa34

True. While not ideal, even at that level I don't think it's going to have a massive impact on the fat profile.

Transform

watch this -


http://youtu.be/S6FtUDEpGKc

colman1212

Transform wrote: »

watch this -


http://youtu.be/S6FtUDEpGKc

So when he says higher cholesterol is good for the elderly. I presume he means where your HDL is high and LDL is still quite low?

Transform

colman1212 wrote: »

So when he says higher cholesterol is good for the elderly. I presume he means where your HDL is high and LDL is still quite low?

yup and you know the numbers and difference between particle size on your LDL also

Overall i think a simple hip waist measurement is a pretty good predictor of health

Tayla

I tried this a couple of months ago for a week or so but had to stop as it was making me feel really nauseous, I just used cheap coffee as I am not a coffee drinker usually, I am used to eating coconut oil and a good bit of butter so it must have been the coffee that made me feel like crap.

I didn't realise for the first few days that it was the coffee that was making me nauseous as I was just getting over a bug so I presumed I was still sick until I realised it was the coffee, never again!!

j@utis

I love a cup of bulletproof in the morning before going to the gym. It gives me energy to do heavy weights for an hour and when I get home I'm still not hungry.

Holyjebus

Can anyone recommend a coffee that can be bought in supermarkets here?

macco66

Folks, anywhere in Dublin I can purchase this guy's Bulletproof coffee? I want to see for myself if there's any difference. Nice one,

siochain

macco66 wrote: »

Folks, anywhere in Dublin I can purchase this guy's Bulletproof coffee? I want to see for myself if there's any difference. Nice one,

the trick is in the fats. Upselling their brand of coffee is a gimmick. Save your cash.

CM24

Thinking of ordering this MCT Oil. I don't have a coffee grinder. Would it really matter if I just used regular instant coffee? I don't care about the taste. Just want something I can make quickly during my morning scramble before work.