The Academies

bilston

backgreen wrote: »

what are the stats on guys making it from the u20 in rugby...in gaa very few from u18/21

Below are the squads from the last 4 JWCs. The players in bold have been subsequently capped by Ireland. I'd expect a few more of those guys will be capped in the next few years, but if you get four or five internationals from each U20 year group then you're doing pretty well. The 2007 squad for example which I haven't posted has produced Healy, O'Brien, Keatley (think he might have picked up a cap or two), Earls, Cave, Fitzgerald and Jones. In contrast the 2008 vintage has yet to produce a single test player other than Madigan.

IRELAND UNDER-20 Squad (2012 IRB Junior World Championship, South Africa):

Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Shane Buckley (Garryowen/Munster) *
Jake Cawley (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Jordon Coghlan (UCD/Leinster)
Sam Coghlan Murray (UCD/Leinster)
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Aaron Conneely (Corinthians/Connacht) *
Barry Daly (UCD/Leinster)
Chris Farrell (Dungannon/Ulster)
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) *
Conor Gilsenan (UCD/Mullingar/Leinster)
JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster) *
Iain Henderson (Queen's University/Ulster) *
Foster Horan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) *
Shane Layden (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)*
Cathal Marsh (Dublin University/Leinster)
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster)
Des Merrey (Clontarf/Leinster)
Peter Nelson (Dungannon/Ulster)
Alan O'Connor (UCD/Leinster)
Stuart Olding (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
James Rael (Garryowen/Munster)
Peter Reilly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster)
Mikey Sherlock (Clontarf/Leinster)
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)

IRELAND UNDER-20 Squad (2011 IRB Junior World Championship, Treviso/Rovigo/Padova, Italy, June 10-26):

Niall Annett (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)*
Finlay Bealham (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Andrew Boyle (UCD/Leinster)*
Shane Buckley (Garryowen/Munster)
Conor Carey (Ballymena/Ulster)
Aaron Conneely (Galway Corinthians/Connacht)
Andrew Conway (Blackrock College/Leinster)*
David Doyle (UCD/Leinster)*
Peter du Toit (UCD/Leinster)
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)
Dominic Gallagher (Dublin University/Ulster)
Craig Gilroy (Dungannon/Ulster)
JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Iain Henderson (Queen's University/Ulster)
Paddy Jackson (DungannonUlster)
Michael Kearney (Clontarf/Leinster)
Alex Kelly (UCD/Leinster)
Brendan Macken (Blackrock College/Leinster)*
Kieran Marmion (UWIC/Exile)
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)
Eoin McKeon (Galwegians/Connacht)
James McKinney (Queen's University/Ulster)*
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)*
Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht)*
Daniel Qualter (Buccaneers/Connacht)
James Tracy (UCD/Leinster)

IRELAND UNDER-20 SQUAD (2010 IRB Junior World Championship, Argentina):

Niall Annett (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Denis Buckley (Corinthians/Connacht)
Patrick Butler (Shannon/Munster)
Bryan Cagney (UCC/Munster)
Andrew Conway (Blackrock/Leinster)
John Cooney (UCD/Leinster)
David Doyle (UCD/Leinster)
Eoin Griffin (Corinthians/Connacht)
Brian Hayes (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Michael Heaney (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Darren Hudson (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Brendan Macken (Blackrock/Leinster)
Stewart Maguire (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Ben Marshall (UCD/Leinster)
James McKinney (Queen's University/Ulster)
David McSharry (UCD/Leinster)
Jordi Murphy (Blackrock/Leinster)
David O'Callaghan (UCC/Munster)
Jack O'Connell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht)
Brian O'Hara (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Noel Reid (UCD/Leinster)
Rhys Ruddock (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Dominic Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Nevin Spence (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster)

IRELAND UNDER-20 Squad (2009 IRB Junior World Championship, Japan, June 5-21):

Backs (12):

Andrew Burke (Garryowen/Munster)
Shane Gahan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Matthew Healy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
David Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Michael Keating (Clontarf/Leinster)
Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Ian McKinley (UCD/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Ronan O'Mahony (Garryowen/Munster)
Eamonn Sheridan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonny Shiels (Queen's University/Ulster)
Nevin Spence (Ballynahinch/Ulster)

Forwards (14):

Mark Flanagan (UCD/Leinster)
Adam Macklin (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Paddy McAllister (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
David McGregor (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Michael Noone (Seapoint/Leinster)
David O'Callaghan (UCC/Munster)
Jack O'Connell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Brian O'Hara (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) (capt)
Rhys Ruddock (Millfield School/Exiles)
Ciaran Ruddock (Neath/Exiles)
Dominic Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Thomas Sexton (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

Hype710

Funny how Kilcoyne and Archer (both born in 1988) could barely make the side in 2008, which was probably our worst side produced at U20 level, and yet were on the bench the last day.

P.Walnuts

Hype710 wrote: »

Funny how Kilcoyne and Archer (both born in 1988) could barely make the side in 2008, which was probably our worst side produced at U20 level, and yet were on the bench the last day.

Who were the props that year?

opinionatedfan

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Who were the props that year?

in 2008 it was:

Adam Macklin(ulster squad player, out for the season with injury)
Jack McGrath(leinster's #2 LH next season)
Jack O'Connell(leinster's #3 LH next season)
Paddy McAllister(ulster squad player, out for the season with injury)

Kilcoyne has admitted he wasnt taking rugby as serious back then though so you can understand that.

Plus talent wise that's a pretty good crop for under 20 standard.

Hype710

opinionatedfan wrote: »

in 2008 it was:

Adam Macklin(ulster squad player, out for the season with injury)
Jack McGrath(leinster's #2 LH next season)
Jack O'Connell(leinster's #3 LH next season)
Paddy McAllister(ulster squad player, out for the season with injury)

That was the following year. In 2008 it would have been Paul Karyiannis and Ben Barclay. Neither of whom are involved professionally. Archer saw a small bit of game time if I recall correctly.

bamboozle

Hype710 wrote: »

That was the following year. In 2008 it would have been Paul Karyiannis and Ben Barclay. Neither of whom are involved professionally. Archer saw a small bit of game time if I recall correctly.

Ben barclay was involved with the us eagles at some point under EOS but didn't get capped. He's a great player at ail level and has been on the Irish club side, I've seen a fair bit of him at ail and his skill set really stands out, great hands, passing etc, the rugby grounding he got at clone owes really shows.

I've seen him prop against archer at ail and have no issues.

bilston

Hype710 wrote: »

Funny how Kilcoyne and Archer (both born in 1988) could barely make the side in 2008, which was probably our worst side produced at U20 level, and yet were on the bench the last day.

But McAlistair and McGrath are two cracking propsects. They still are prospects because 23 for a prop is still very young unless you're a freak like Healy. Paddy Mac has had his injuries and McGrath is behind a couple of very good props at Leinster, should be back up to Healy next year.

Hype710

bilston wrote: »

But McAlistair and McGrath are two cracking propsects. They still are prospects because 23 for a prop is still very young unless you're a freak like Healy. Paddy Mac has had his injuries and McGrath is behind a couple of very good props at Leinster, should be back up to Healy next year.

They played the following year. The point was Kilcoyne and Archer didn't make the Under 20s in 2008 and were behing Karyiannis and Barclay, neither of whom went pro.

ormond lad

Any opinions on who will be joining the academies for next season now that the Youths and Schools competitions have nearly finished.
Hearing rumours that Greg O Shea and Rory Parata will be in Munster academy next season but what about the other provinces
Billy Dardis and Sean O Brien will be in Leinsters and Connachts academies respectively but who else will join them and who will join Ulsters academy?

lurtz

Have you heard for sure about Dardis and Parata? Thought Connacht would be keeping hold of him. Hope to see Rory Moloney go in somewhere. Ulsters setup is usually more ambigious than the others, maybe Mikey Lagan and John Donnan to join. Havent seen Fullerton play but seen his name alot

ormond lad

lurtz wrote: »

Have you heard for sure about Dardis and Parata? Thought Connacht would be keeping hold of him. Hope to see Rory Moloney go in somewhere. Ulsters setup is usually more ambigious than the others, maybe Mikey Lagan and John Donnan to join. Havent seen Fullerton play but seen his name alot

Saw it on mf's about Parata from a reliable source. I thought Connacht would try hold on to him but he was munster youths last season and from munster.
And having watched Dardis and all the talk about him he's a cert for a spot.

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

Is O Shea the lad thats the sprinter from Limerick? If so has he made his mind up about rugby over athletics?

ormond lad

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Is O Shea the lad thats the sprinter from Limerick? If so has he made his mind up about rugby over athletics?

Yeah. Was running 10.8 in the 100 last summer. 2nd quickest at his age in the country

lurtz

Jesus thats some speed. is he any use as a player?

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

ormond lad wrote: »

Yeah. Was running 10.8 in the 100 last summer. 2nd quickest at his age in the country

JEBUS! That ridiculous! With refining he could be a top sprinter for Ireland nevermind a rugby player, from what ive seen he's slight enough but as you can imagine when he gets room he's gone! Huge decision for him to make if Munter come a calling. With pace like that he could do what butler did and hold them to ransom and get a better contract

FellasFellas

Jacob Walshe has a Connacht academy place nailed on I think. Either this coming season or next season.

jamiedav2011

I assume Dooley will be in Leinster's anyway, along with Daly.

Perhaps Crosbie too.

Any other names floating about?

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

Watching the MSSC final on Setanta and Tommy Tiernan touting Diarmiud Dee (No.6) from Crescent as a Munster Academy candidate. Thoughts? Club is he? 15 for Crescent looks a decent lad too

ormond lad

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Watching the MSSC final on Setanta and Tommy Tiernan touting Diarmiud Dee (No.6) from Crescent as a Munster Academy candidate. Thoughts? Club is he? 15 for Crescent looks a decent lad too

When Dee played club rugby up to 17s he played with Old Crescent. Good player. His defence today was very very good.
Personally thought 10, 11 and 13 were best for Crescent in the backs along with Dee and Dineen in the pack
Best for Rockwell were Parata and Riley but they couldnt do much against Crescent.

FellasFellas

Gallagher from Methody with a bit of work done to his game looks like he could be a great player for the Red Hand.

awec

FellasFellas wrote: »

Gallagher from Methody with a bit of work done to his game looks like he could be a great player for the Red Hand.

Looks like a lot of raw talent, just needs it to be refined a bit.

Was very surprised to hear of his GAA background.

shuffol

FellasFellas wrote: »

Gallagher from Methody with a bit of work done to his game looks like he could be a great player for the Red Hand.

He was very impressive but came across as a bit selfish too, kicked a penalty for touch in the first half, took a conversion in the 2nd half and even dropped into the pocket for a drop goal in the last minute. Executed them all in a manner that suggested he wouldnt be a regular kicker.

awec

shuffol wrote: »

He was very impressive but came across as a bit selfish too, kicked a penalty for touch in the first half, took a conversion in the 2nd half and even dropped into the pocket for a drop goal in the last minute. Executed them all in a manner that suggested he wouldnt be a regular kicker.

He's a number 8 though is he not, can be forgiven for being a poor kicker.

The DG attempt was woeful, I don't think it went more than 3 feet above the ground.

Had the balls to try though!

clubrug

ormond lad wrote: »

Saw it on mf's about Parata from a reliable source. I thought Connacht would try hold on to him but he was munster youths last season and from munster.

Saw Rory Parata at youths level and was impressed by him, also seen him play with connacht last year and he had improved. In all honesty though I don't believe the kid is at academy level, sorry but I feel there would be many more to the fore there.

Could not believe the physical change in this kid when I saw him with Connacht, some difference in a year, serious, anyone else notice that?

shuffol

awec wrote: »

He's a number 8 though is he not, can be forgiven for being a poor kicker.

The DG attempt was woeful, I don't think it went more than 3 feet above the ground.

Had the balls to try though!

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but he looked to me like a young man trying to make a name for himself in front of the TV cameras at the expense of his side. His pace, aggression and passing was excellent though albeit as part of a massively dominant pack.

backgreen

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Watching the MSSC final on Setanta and Tommy Tiernan touting Diarmiud Dee (No.6) from Crescent as a Munster Academy candidate. Thoughts? Club is he? 15 for Crescent looks a decent lad too

dee his old man was a cookie,o shea and dineen Shannon players

awec

shuffol wrote: »

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but he looked to me like a young man trying to make a name for himself in front of the TV cameras at the expense of his side. His pace, aggression and passing was excellent though albeit as part of a massively dominant pack.

Fair point that.

The Methody pack was huge, can't remember any other names of standout players though. Their LH (and captain) committed more fouls than I could count in the second half.

shuffol

The Methody no.5 looked a very impressive athlete and footballer, had 2 excellent grubber kicks one of which led to the final Methody try.

P.Walnuts

What about that giant TH prop from Monkstown (name escapes me) has he any shot of making it at pro level?

FellasFellas

P.Walnuts wrote: »

What about that giant TH prop from Monkstown (name escapes me) has he any shot of making it at pro level?

Eoghan McKeever. He's a good player, could get a look in due to size and and being a TH. Dan O'Byrne is finished in the Sub-Academy system so spot for him there.