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    #392
    opinionatedfan
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    Wonder when they will be announced.


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    #393
    irishbucsfan
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    opinionatedfan wrote: »
    Wonder when they will be announced.

    Normally officially announced very late


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    #394
    Hagz
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    Surely they'll wait till after the JWC.


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    #395
    FellasFellas
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    Academy for Leinster has been confirmed with Dooley, Daly, Crosbie, Dardis and Moloney.


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    #396
    opinionatedfan
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    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Academy for Leinster has been confirmed with Dooley, Daly, Crosbie, Dardis and Moloney.

    Rory?


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    #397
    FellasFellas
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    opinionatedfan wrote: »
    Rory?

    Ross.


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    #398
    opinionatedfan
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    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Ross.

    It's Molony then.

    Yeah those 5 names is what I heard a few days back, of course Adam Byrne aswell.

    2 forwards and 4 backs.


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    #399
    FellasFellas
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    opinionatedfan wrote: »
    It's Molony then.

    Yeah those 5 names is what I heard a few days back, of course Adam Byrne aswell.

    2 forwards and 4 backs.

    Apologies. Yeah Adam Byrne, and Coghlan Murray signed a one year Academy contract extension.


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    #400
    opinionatedfan
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    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Apologies. Yeah Adam Byrne, and Coghlan Murray signed a one year Academy contract extension.

    no need to apologize, the confusion caused by Molony/Moloney is frequent.

    good news on SCM, he missed a lot of time with that illness.

    3 schools products and 3 youths products.

    Peter Dooley(LH Prop/Youth-Offaly)
    Ross Molony(Lock/St.Michaels-Dublin)
    Steve Crosbie(Outhalf/St.Gerrards-Dublin)
    Tom Daly(Centre/Youth-Carlow)
    Adam Byrne(Wing/Youth-Kildare)
    Billy Dardis(Fullback/Terenure-Kildare)


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    #401
    Glass Prison 1214
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    Compared to the last couple of years would only six new additions not be a surprisingly small group? Or will there be a couple more late additions after the JWC?


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    #402
    opinionatedfan
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    Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »
    Compared to the last couple of years would only six new additions not be a surprisingly small group? Or will there be a couple more late additions after the JWC?

    possibly, depends on who goes to the JWC.

    Almost all of Leinster's players who might be involved with u20 squad are now in the academy:

    Peter Dooley(1), Ed Byrne(2), Brian Byrne(2), Gavin Thornbury(2), Dan Leavy(2), Josh Van Der Flier(2), Luke McGrath(3), Steve Crosbie(1), Tom Daly(1), Adam Byrne(1).

    All of these are in contention for a JWC spot and will be in the academy system next season.


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    #403
    jamiedav2011
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    Is this official?

    Good to see SCM being kept on.


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    #404
    opinionatedfan
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Is this official?

    Good to see SCM being kept on.

    nothing officially announced yet, could be awhile.


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    #405
    jamiedav2011
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    Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?


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    #406
    Quint2010
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    opinionatedfan wrote: »
    no need to apologize, the confusion caused by Molony/Moloney is frequent.

    good news on SCM, he missed a lot of time with that illness.

    3 schools products and 3 youths products.

    Peter Dooley(LH Prop/Youth-Offaly)
    Ross Molony(Lock/St.Michaels-Dublin)
    Steve Crosbie(Outhalf/St.Gerrards-Dublin)
    Tom Daly(Centre/Youth-Carlow)
    Adam Byrne(Wing/Youth-Kildare)
    Billy Dardis(Fullback/Terenure-Kildare)

    Is Gerrards not in Wicklow no? Brilliant for Dardis-the only u18 there. Hope he lives up to his potential. Byrne is an outstanding prospect too.


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    #407
    opinionatedfan
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

    Not that unusual, Leavy went straight from under 18 schools to academy last year and Luke McGrath the year before.

    Also last year Thornbury and the Byrne twins went from under 19 schools to academy last year.

    Its a lot more rare for a player who has two years eligibility at under 20 level to go straight into the academy(McGrath, Leavy, Dardis) than a player who only has one(Thornbury,Byrne twins)


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    #408
    Tox56
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

    Several did last year, the best usually do. Leavy, McGrath, Conway, Macken all have in recent years, pretty sure Heaslip and Kearney did too. Leavy in particular was very young


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    #409
    opinionatedfan
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Is Gerrards not in Wicklow no? Brilliant for Dardis-the only u18 there. Hope he lives up to his potential. Byrne is an outstanding prospect too.

    Gerrard's is outside Bray just across the Dublin border with Wicklow, but Crosbie is from Leopardstown.


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    #410
    opinionatedfan
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    This year there was:

    1 under 18: Dardis
    3 under 19: Dooley, Molony, Byrne
    2 under 20: Crosbie, Daly

    Contrast to last year:
    1 under 18: Leavy
    4 under 19: Thornbury, Byrne, Byrne, Van Der Flier
    3 under 20: Beirne, Conan, Marsh


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    #411
    lurtz
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

    not really,last year thornbury,leavy and bryan and ed byrne all went in straight. Luke mcgrath the year before that. Andrew conway skipped the academy entirely and went straight into the senior squad


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    #412
    jamiedav2011
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Several did last year, the best usually do. Leavy, McGrath, Conway, Macken all have in recent years, pretty sure Heaslip and Kearney did too. Leavy in particular was very young

    In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?


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    #413
    opinionatedfan
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

    Don't think Kelleher or Ringrose are good enough, Brewer is interesting case.

    Probably destined for the sub-academy and see if he sticks at 12 or 8.


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    #414
    Tox56
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels?

    Mentioned it before but not convinced by him at all. Good physical specimen but not the best rugby brain and not one for passing. Even in good games at school level you can see his limitations, can't see him being physically exceptional enough to make up for them past school


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    #415
    lurtz
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

    I suppose it wasnt felt that they were good enough yet,that a year or two in the sub academy structure might be more beneficial. The academy players are decided by Joe Schmidt,colllie mcentee and girvan dempsey.


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    #416
    Liveforrugby
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

    brewer kelleher overated, ringrose is just an average joe who can kick, hasn't played representative yet. Anyone know how he got along at the trials?

    Moloney the roscrea 7 should have got a contract


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    #417
    Hype710
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    lurtz wrote: »
    not really,last year thornbury,leavy and bryan and ed byrne all went in straight. Luke mcgrath the year before that. Andrew conway skipped the academy entirely and went straight into the senior squad

    Conway had a year in the academy before signing a full contract. Luke Fitzgerald was the last to skip the academy.


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    #418
    irishbucsfan
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    Yeah Conway was in the academy I'm pretty sure.

    Only two I know to skip in recent years in Ireland were Fitygerald and Butler.


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    #419
    opinionatedfan
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    Leinster Academy next year:

    LH Prop
    James Tracy(3)
    Ed Byrne(2)
    Peter Dooley(1)
    Hooker
    David Doyle(3)
    Bryan Byrne(2)
    TH Prop
    Tadhg Furlong(3)
    Second row
    Tadhg Beirne(2)
    Gavin Thornbury(2)
    Ross Molony(1)
    Backrow
    Conor Gilsenan(3)
    Dan Leavy(2)
    Josh Van Der Flier(2)
    Jack Conan(2)
    Scrumhalf
    Luke McGrath(3)
    Outhalf
    Cathal Marsh(2)
    Steve Crosbie(1)
    Centre
    Jordan Coghlan(3)
    Colm O'Shea(3)
    Tom Daly(1)
    Back Three
    Sam Coghlan-Murray(3)
    Andrew Boyle(3)
    Adam Byrne(1)
    Billy Dardis(1)


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    #420
    FellasFellas
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    opinionatedfan wrote: »
    Leinster Academy next year:

    LH Prop
    James Tracy(3)
    Ed Byrne(2)
    Peter Dooley(1)
    Hooker
    David Doyle(3)
    Bryan Byrne(2)
    TH Prop
    Tadhg Furlong(3)
    Second row
    Tadhg Beirne(2)
    Gavin Thornbury(2)
    Ross Molony(1)
    Backrow
    Conor Gilsenan(3)
    Dan Leavy(2)
    Josh Van Der Flier(2)
    Jack Conan(2)
    Scrumhalf
    Luke McGrath(3)
    Outhalf
    Cathal Marsh(2)
    Steve Crosbie(1)
    Centre
    Jordan Coghlan(3)
    Colm O'Shea(3)
    Tom Daly(1)
    Back Three
    Sam Coghlan-Murray(3)
    Andrew Boyle(3)
    Adam Byrne(1)
    Billy Dardis(1)

    Looks like we'll be needing a scrumhalf fairly soon.


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    #421
    ormond lad
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    Good to see 3 youths players join the Leinster academy. With the work being put into the youths system that number will only keep on going up
    Usually is end of May/June before Munster announce their academy. Will be interesting to see how many Munster add considering there is only 3 in final year this season


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